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with Jordan, George, CP3 all staying or agreeing to another team not the Lakers, I'm not sure how Lebron on the lakers gives him a better chance to win this year instead of on the Cavs..Lakers suck, adding lebron makes them suck less, but still a 6/7 seed and a first round exit in the west Yeah, PG and CP3 signing 4-year deals is huge. That means neither are going to the Lakers next year, and there won't be some sort of superteam any time soon. If Lebron still goes to LA, it would have to be for non-basketball reasons. He'd be going to a team with a bunch of youngsters who are arguably no better than the Cavs, but in a loaded Western Conference, where he's looking at an early playoff exit.
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For me seeing lebron on any other team would be hard...he's so synonymous with Cleveland like Jordan in Chicago and Kobe in LA...you just associate it. Watching MJ in washington was hard. Seeing lebron on a team other than CLE would just be as hard. Teams like LA NY, they don't need star power and the fans could care less. MJ in CHI and lebron in CLE mean much more to the city than bball
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Current Odds via Odd Shark:
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That means you'd have to bet $5,000 to win $100 on him going to LA
It also means it's a 98% chance
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There are currently no odds on where LeBron will sign. We will be sure to update if anything changes. https://twitter.com/OddsShark/status/1013423007124115456
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just put my Baker winnings on the Cavs. Let's get it 🤣🤣🤣
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just put my Baker winnings on the Cavs. Let's get it 🤣🤣🤣 Might not be a bad bet. If everything else fizzles out, he might just be better off signing a 1-and-1 with Cleveland again. Unless Gilbert tells him it's a long term deal or nothing.
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Yeah, I think the odds are pretty good. And since I don't own any LeBron memorabilia, I won't be able to burn anything this time around, if he leaves.
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For me seeing lebron on any other team would be hard...he's so synonymous with Cleveland like Jordan in Chicago and Kobe in LA...you just associate it. Watching MJ in washington was hard. Seeing lebron on a team other than CLE would just be as hard. Teams like LA NY, they don't need star power and the fans could care less. MJ in CHI and lebron in CLE mean much more to the city than bball Yep, this is why it hurt so much last time. Honestly, I still think he ends up staying. Any other parts of a super team that would've gone to LA have signed long term deals with their current teams. One has to wonder if they got calls from 'upstairs' in order to keep some parity in the league.
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Yeah, I think the odds are pretty good. And since I don't own any LeBron memorabilia, I won't be able to burn anything this time around, if he leaves. As bad as it would suck, this time would be different. We do have a ring and a trophy to show for it this time. ...and no sorry performance in a Game 5 to question.
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Completely. I even want him to go to Philly and get a ring. Would be nice to see him play with Boogie though. That might make me a crappy Cavs, but I just hate the Warriors so much, that I hope they lose all the time.
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Stay here in The Land. Get rid of some pf the dead wood that blew leads. This team needs to clean its own house if he stays. I think they could have done better in the season. LBJ learned that they as a team failed to produce "whatever it takes." James owns some of that.
He is astounding. Hope he makes a sensible decision and stays, maybe for 1+1. But the drama again is as welcome as before.
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Stay here in The Land. Get rid of some pf the dead wood that blew leads. It's not that easy. Contracts are guaranteed and count against the cap. You have to find someone willing to take a bad contract. The biggest problem, is that after 2016, Lebron wanted all his "guys" to get paid. So we went all-in on JR, Shumpert, and TT. And the return on that investment hasn't been very good.
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I feel a better coach could get better more disciplined effort from them. They need to get a new coach.
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Stay here in The Land. Get rid of some pf the dead wood that blew leads. This team needs to clean its own house if he stays. I think they could have done better in the season. LBJ learned that they as a team failed to produce "whatever it takes." James owns some of that.
He is astounding. Hope he makes a sensible decision and stays, maybe for 1+1. But the drama again is as welcome as before. It makes no sense for him to sign another 1+1. This is the last year he can sign a 5 year max deal. If any deal goes past 38 (IIRC) the year(s) past 38 are payable against the cap immediately.
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Current Odds via Odd Shark:
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That means you'd have to bet $5,000 to win $100 on him going to LA
It also means it's a 98% chance I hope he stays but I'm thinking no way, he's gone. We shall see. When? I dunno.
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That means you'd have to bet $5,000 to win $100 on him going to LA
It also means it's a 98% chance I hope he stays but I'm thinking no way, he's gone. We shall see. When? I dunno. Tuesday morning/early afternoon.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Good riddance. LA is perfect for him and his drama. He can have his own show. "As the Basketball Spins" or some dumb stuff...
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So is there any chance that we pursue Kawhi? It seems unlikely at this point considering it would likely be a 1 year rental.
Boogie Cousins? Doesn't seem likely...
So our lineup looks like this...
PG - Hill / Sexton
SG- Hood / JR Smith
SF- Osman / Green?
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C - Thompson / Zizic
How many games do we win with our current roster? I don't think our roster is TERRIBLE but I would expect around 28-33 wins.
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I think at this point we go young and look to the future. I think trading Love brings us a good young player and a 1st rounder. I'd expect to see Love traded....unless we try to build around him. He's pretty good.
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'LeBron James leaves Cleveland again, agrees to join Los Angeles Lakers'https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf...art_maj-story-1P.S. I'm not surprised at all that Lebron left for the Lakers. This has been debated for months here, on the radio, everywhere. I'm actually surprised at the people who said they thought he would stay. Really? Remember, history repeats itself. Also in psychology they say, "Past behavior predicts current and future behavior." Lebron was king of Cleveland and I'm guessing now he wants to be the king of L.A. I lived in Hollywood for 11 years, it's a different world out there. After all is said in done it's his life to do what he wishes. I wish him the best, as I absolutely love(d) watching him play for us.
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“We will always remember the evening of June 19, 2016 as the Cleveland Cavaliers, led by LeBron James, ended the 52-year drought delivering the long elusive championship that many thought they would never see... A championship that united generations of Clevelanders, both living and passed. Virtually anyone with roots in Northeast Ohio paused and felt the memories of the past and the utter joy that the burden of the so-called ‘curse’ was finally a thing of the past. Cleveland, Ohio was the home of a championship team for the first time since 1964. Words do not express the meaning and the feeling this accomplishment brought to the people of Northeast Ohio. None of this would have happened if LeBron James did not agree to come back home and lead the Cavaliers to the promised land. The entire Cavaliers franchise thanks LeBron for that precious moment and for all of the excitement he delivered as he led our team to four straight NBA Finals appearances. LeBron is a family man, first. We wish his kids, his wife Savannah, his mother Gloria, and LeBron himself nothing but the best in the years and decades ahead. LeBron’s connection to Akron, Cleveland and all of Northeast Ohio will most certainly endure as his commitment to the region and his support of many important causes has been impactful to so many kids and families. LeBron, you came home and delivered the ultimate goal. Nothing but appreciation and gratitude for everything you put into every moment you spent in a Cavaliers uniform. We look forward to the retirement of the famous #23 Cavs jersey one day down the line...” Dan Gilbert Chairman Cleveland Cavaliers http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/releases/statement-180702
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Good statement from Gilbert, liked it...
Best of luck to the Cavs, I'll be rooting for LeBron and the Lakers now.
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Collin Sexton signs rookie contract with Cavaliers | cleveland.com https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf...art_river_indexCLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cavaliers rookie Collin Sexton signed his first NBA contract, a four-year deal worth up to $20.2 million. The Cavs announced Sexton's signing July 4, before any hot dogs could realistically hit anyone's grill. Sexton, 19, was the eighth pick in the draft last month. Per league rules, the most he could earn this season was about $4.1 million, based on where he was selected. And that amount -- $4.07 million -- is what he'll get, a source told cleveland.com. Rookie contracts are guaranteed for the first two years, with team options for the last two years. Now that he has signed his contract, Sexton can't be traded for 30 days. Not that the Cavs have shown any interest in moving the Alabama point guard since they drafted him. "We're going to invest a lot of time into him and he's a part of this culture now of winning, of hard work, attitude, the stuff we talk about," Cavs general manager Koby Altman said of Sexton during Sexton's introductory news conference last month. Sexton is expected to compete with the Cavs in the NBA's Las Vegas Summer League that starts Friday. With Sexton, the Cavs now have 12 players under contract and three spots to fill, though they are expected to trade or release a few others. One vacancy will probably go to Rodney Hood, a restricted free agent whom the Cavs can bring back by matching any offer he receives on the open market. Cleveland also has a $5.3 million exception to the salary cap, a $5.8 million trade exception, and can sign players to a veteran's minimum contract.
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About the Cavs rebuild... Sexton is a rookie and Love can be traded for some combination of picks/young players. Don't expect a massive haul but he does have value. Some of our players are massively overpaid but those contracts come off the books in the next 1-2 years. We've traded away some future 2nd round picks but those can be recouped by taking on salary and that kind of thing. We traded away our 2019 first round pick but it's top 10 protected this year and next... after that it conveys as second round pick(s)? I don't expect the Cavs to pick outside the top 10 these next two years unless they do something absolutely foolish like sacrificing the future to chase the 8th seed in the East. In other words, don't count it out.  All in all, it's actually a decent enough place to be when starting a rebuild. Could be better.. but it could also be a lot worse.
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We can also stretch a contract, to save cap space.
We'll see what happens.
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If I remember right, I think it's JR and Hill's contracts that are non-guaranteed in their final year, so they can be looked at as expirings and could be somewhat tradeable. Love and possibly Korver have some trade value. That leaves Clarkson and TT as the remaining cap killers. Actually, we're not in terrible shape either, as Lebron's $35 million coming off the cap put us down to only $5 million over the cap itself. Not that having cap room will make a huge difference, as free agents have never really flocked to play here.
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Is there any actual Cavs news? As far as I can tell, the Cavs signed Collin Sexton and they're shopping Kevin Love (unless they're not.) Is there anything else?
The other Lebron/NBA thread has a lot going on but I want to know what the Cavs are going to do going forward. Are there any unsubstantiated rumors or ridiculously lopsided trade proposals we can talk about?
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Yes, Green signed w/the Wizards.
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The Kawhi story is getting more and more weird. Report: Kawhi Leonard’s “people” actively hid him from Spurs staffersKurt Helin,NBC Sports 2 hours 44 minutes ago The relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi Leonard has evolved over the past year from distrust to dysfunctional, with both sides playing their part to make it worse. It’s not quite “War of the Roses” bad, but this relationship is beyond repair now. The Spurs exacerbated the problems — Tony Parker‘s comments about his injury being 100 times worse set things way back — but it’s not like Leonard and his advisors (particularly his uncle the manager) acted like adults through this. Look at these comments from ESPN’s Michael C. Wright on the must-listen “Back To Back” podcast: “There was a point during [Kawhi’s] rehab process in New York that some of the Spurs brass went out to see him in New York,” Wright said. “As soon as those guys arrived to the building, Kawhi’s people grabbed him and sequestered him to another part of the building. And so the Spurs’ people couldn’t even see him.” Classy. The Spurs have lost leverage in the trade market, and Leonard is a part of that, too. Before a team such as Philadelphia would fully jump in with their best offer (Markelle Fultz?), they are going to want to both get a detailed look at Leonard’s medical reports, then sit down with his “people” and discuss the possibility of him re-signing. Thing is, the Sixers and other NBA teams have no relationship with Leonard’s uncle or other advisors, so they don’t know if they can trust anything he says. (It should be noted at one point Leonard consulted with the Sixers’ team doctor about his quadriceps tendon issue, so they could have some information there.) Teams are not how to even back-channel information well with Leonard. Maybe this is Leonard’s master plan to force his way to the Lakers (or the Knicks, or the Clippers, or wherever is rumored this hour he wants to play). There is no solid information out there from the ever-quiet Leonard and his camp, which creates a news vacuum — and the Internet abhors a vacuum. So it gets filled with speculation and rumor. However all these vacillating reports — he doesn’t want to play with LeBron James, oh wait yes he still does — do not help Leonard’s image or marketability. Just forcing his way to a major market and playing well is not enough in-and-of-itself to get the kind of shoe/endorsement deal his people want for him, he’s got to open up, do more social media and more. How much of this is driven by Leonard’s desires and how much by the people in his ear remains a good question? It’s also moot for the Spurs. They need to find the best trade for him they can, and that is not going to be easy. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-kawhi-leonard-people-actively-222533642.html
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The Kawhi story is getting more and more weird. Report: Kawhi Leonard’s “people” actively hid him from Spurs staffersKurt Helin,NBC Sports 2 hours 44 minutes ago The relationship between the Spurs and Kawhi Leonard has evolved over the past year from distrust to dysfunctional, with both sides playing their part to make it worse. It’s not quite “War of the Roses” bad, but this relationship is beyond repair now. The Spurs exacerbated the problems — Tony Parker‘s comments about his injury being 100 times worse set things way back — but it’s not like Leonard and his advisors (particularly his uncle the manager) acted like adults through this. Look at these comments from ESPN’s Michael C. Wright on the must-listen “Back To Back” podcast: “There was a point during [Kawhi’s] rehab process in New York that some of the Spurs brass went out to see him in New York,” Wright said. “As soon as those guys arrived to the building, Kawhi’s people grabbed him and sequestered him to another part of the building. And so the Spurs’ people couldn’t even see him.” Classy. The Spurs have lost leverage in the trade market, and Leonard is a part of that, too. Before a team such as Philadelphia would fully jump in with their best offer (Markelle Fultz?), they are going to want to both get a detailed look at Leonard’s medical reports, then sit down with his “people” and discuss the possibility of him re-signing. Thing is, the Sixers and other NBA teams have no relationship with Leonard’s uncle or other advisors, so they don’t know if they can trust anything he says. (It should be noted at one point Leonard consulted with the Sixers’ team doctor about his quadriceps tendon issue, so they could have some information there.) Teams are not how to even back-channel information well with Leonard. Maybe this is Leonard’s master plan to force his way to the Lakers (or the Knicks, or the Clippers, or wherever is rumored this hour he wants to play). There is no solid information out there from the ever-quiet Leonard and his camp, which creates a news vacuum — and the Internet abhors a vacuum. So it gets filled with speculation and rumor. However all these vacillating reports — he doesn’t want to play with LeBron James, oh wait yes he still does — do not help Leonard’s image or marketability. Just forcing his way to a major market and playing well is not enough in-and-of-itself to get the kind of shoe/endorsement deal his people want for him, he’s got to open up, do more social media and more. How much of this is driven by Leonard’s desires and how much by the people in his ear remains a good question? It’s also moot for the Spurs. They need to find the best trade for him they can, and that is not going to be easy. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-kawhi-leonard-people-actively-222533642.html Wow... weird is one way of saying it.
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Kawhi (and/or his people) seem very flaky the more that I read.
I used to think he was just quiet and reserved, but now I think he's more disconnected from reality.
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Is there any actual Cavs news? As far as I can tell, the Cavs signed Collin Sexton and they're shopping Kevin Love (unless they're not.) Is there anything else?
The other Lebron/NBA thread has a lot going on but I want to know what the Cavs are going to do going forward. Are there any unsubstantiated rumors or ridiculously lopsided trade proposals we can talk about? Yep, it's gonna be a fire sale. Sources: Cavs looking to move Hill, Korver – Amico Hoops http://amicohoops.net/nba-rumors-cleveland-cavaliers-george-hill-kyle-korver-nba-story/The Cleveland Cavaliers are actively looking to move point guard George Hill and sharpshooter Kyle Korver this offseason, league sources told Amico Hoops on Thursday. The Cavs are facing a rebuild with LeBron James’ departure. The franchise wants to unload Hill’s massive contract and, ideally, acquire draft picks in exchange for Korver, sources said. Hill, 32, is due $19 million in 2018-19. The Cavs acquired Hill at the February trade deadline from the Sacramento Kings and were hoping they finally addressed their point guard situation after Kyrie Irving was traded to the Boston Celtics. In the 24 regular-season games he appeared in with Cleveland, Hill averaged 9.4 points and 2.8 assists while shooting 44.4 percent from the field and 35.1 percent on 3-pointers. During the Cavs’ Eastern Conference postseason run, Hill posted 9.7 points per game and shot just 25.7 percent from beyond the arc. He missed three games due to a back ailment as well. In the NBA Finals against the Golden State Warriors, Hill’s production and numbers dipped. In the four-game sweep, Hill averaged a mere 7.5 points. His matchup, Stephen Curry, averaged 24.3 points. The Cavs drafted dynamic guard Collin Sexton with the eighth overall pick in the 2018 draft and have no aspirations to bring him off the bench. Cleveland is aware Hill won’t be fond of being reduced to a bench role and has been on the phones trying to find a new home for the veteran guard, sources said. If the Cavs can’t trade Hill, a buyout could be possible. As for Korver, the 3-point specialist has two years left on his contract. He’ll make $7.5 million annually and the Cavs intend to gauge his trade value in the hopes of obtaining multiple draft picks, sources said. The 37-year-old averaged 9.2 points in 73 games this past season and shot 45.9 percent from the field and 43.6 percent from three.
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As long as they keep Nance Jr, I'll be happy.
And I like JR Smith also. Keep him.
And Kevin Love is nice to look at.
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I think that Nance is exactly the kind of player they want to keep.
The assets Love will turn into be nice.
Smith could be bought out, or could be traded as he has a non-guaranteed contract year in 2019-2020.
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I wonder if Korver is an option for LA? Lebron loves him and he's "fairly cheap" .. maybe they can get creative with a trade
If not LA, Philly would make sense. He can back up Redick
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I like Nance, Jr. as well. A number of the bench needs to go or become players, and I don't see much from them as starters IMO. Love yes. Just about everything else is up for grabs.
LBJ won't be carrying them all. We will need picks a-plenty.
I would want to see what value Smith might bring especially.
Are you keeping Loo?
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Bull & Fox Cavs Roundtable With Jason Lloyd, Dave McMenamin and Joe VardonJason Lloyd from The Athletic, Dave McMenamin of ESPN and Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com joined Bull & Fox to talk about the last four years of covering the Cavs, stories from their coverage and LeBron's time in Cleveland. https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/cav...-and-joe-vardonThis is some of the best Cleveland radio I have heard in awhile and I suggest you give it a listen, although it is 3 hours long.
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Agreed about Nance, good young player. I do think he's a center in the modern NBA though. He's not a power forward.
I'm not sure what team is going to want to pay George Hill $19 million this year, or what we'd have to send out in order to entice them.
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