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However, if you're getting bullied by a BuzzFeed video, you're a bigger snowflake than Vambo. The kid never said he felt bullied by the video, he said he felt bullied by the administration ABOUT the video.. He felt that he was being bullied for being a straight man by the administration, because they showed him these videos. Either way he got bullied by a BuzzFeed video. He was being bullied... by the administration. How? What are interactions has he had with the administration where he has been bullied? What acts has the administration taken? The superintendent didn't even know that these videos were shown. I'm not saying I don't believe, but the administration, to my knowledge, lacks the personhood and the interactions to bully him.
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However, if you're getting bullied by a BuzzFeed video, you're a bigger snowflake than Vambo. The kid never said he felt bullied by the video, he said he felt bullied by the administration ABOUT the video.. He felt that he was being bullied for being a straight man by the administration, because they showed him these videos. Either way he got bullied by a BuzzFeed video. He was being bullied... by the administration. How? What are interactions has he had with the administration where he has been bullied? What acts has the administration taken? The superintendent didn't even know that these videos were shown. I'm not saying I don't believe, but the administration, to my knowledge, lacks the personhood and the interactions to bully him. Using your power and authority to force a minor, without the power and authority to refuse, to do something they don't want to do and may have adamant objections to.. is the very definition of bullying.
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Using your power and authority to force a minor, without the power and authority to refuse, to do something they don't want to do and may have adamant objections to.. is the very definition of bullying.
And that is my question. How was this done? What interactions did he have with the administration? I'm sorry, but my bullying criteria has to extend past seeing a morning announcement on a TV in the corner of the room. The victim of the bully has no agency to avoid the situation. Was this kid not allowed to rest his head or go to the bathroom? How did the administration bully him, besides showing a video on the morning announcements?
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I don't normally take this position, but man, I think the parents are making way too much out of this. The video that CHS showed was not an example of bullying and I also understand why the district wanted to protect the students who were in in the video.
I'm not a fan of gays who shout you must accept us. However, I am not a fan of those who shout we won't accept gays. Do your own thing and leave me alone. LOL
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However, if you're getting bullied by a BuzzFeed video, you're a bigger snowflake than Vambo. The kid never said he felt bullied by the video, he said he felt bullied by the administration ABOUT the video.. He felt that he was being bullied for being a straight man by the administration, because they showed him these videos. Either way he got bullied by a BuzzFeed video. He was being bullied... by the administration. How? What are interactions has he had with the administration where he has been bullied? What acts has the administration taken? The superintendent didn't even know that these videos were shown. I'm not saying I don't believe, but the administration, to my knowledge, lacks the personhood and the interactions to bully him. Using your power and authority to force a minor, without the power and authority to refuse, to do something they don't want to do and may have adamant objections to.. is the very definition of bullying. Oh, come on. Are you saying that using your power to make students attend a certain number of school days per year even if they don't want to is bullying? Is following the dress code bullying? What about arriving on time for class? Is it bullying if you demand that they not hang out in the hallways and come in late from class? The only thing I will say for your "side" is that a letter should have been sent home w/each student and the parents be given a choice of opting out. Otherwise, much ado about nothing.
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Oh, I get your point.... and I don't disagree.
Parents should have been given notice.
If the kids were not given an opt-out, that was wrong, too.
All that stuff aside, this presentation is about as tame and mainstream as you can get. Which was the only point I was really trying to make. I didn't feel like doing that much typing this afternoon when I dropped in. Now, it looks like I still have to do the same amount of work after all, lest I get jumped for not being my usual verbose and detail-oriented self.
To me, that's not getting muddy. That's simply making a new observation about a subject that's already being covered.
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I have not read the comments on this thread.
Just the OP.
Mostly I feel it is a worthy topic to be discussed in schools, BUT it should be discussed in a relevant class such as sex ed. Seems that is where gender discussions should happen, and not randomly in other in your face places.
And parents should be involved every step. If you have to hide stuff from parents, then you're probably doing something wrong.
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I honestly think public schools should all have open enrollment, the school boards should be able to dictate curriculum and parents should have a voice at school board meetings. Parents could then choose they school with the curriculum the prefer and send their kids there, let the market decide what kids should be taught and not.
By doing this conservatives and liberals would be able to expose their kids to what they think is appropriate. then when the kids hit the job market, their educations will determine how well they do.
We might eliminate the worst of both worlds like participation trophy kids and religious zealot teachings.
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Oh, come on. Are you saying that using your power to make students attend a certain number of school days per year even if they don't want to is bullying? Is following the dress code bullying? What about arriving on time for class? Is it bullying if you demand that they not hang out in the hallways and come in late from class? I had a feeling somebody would go there, just didn't think it would be you.. no, that would be stupid. The school is well within their rights to require rules be followed that impact maintaining order at school. Thought that was a given, didn't think I had to spell out every nuance of what I was talking about.
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I honestly think public schools should all have open enrollment, the school boards should be able to dictate curriculum and parents should have a voice at school board meetings. Parents could then choose they school with the curriculum the prefer and send their kids there, let the market decide what kids should be taught and not.
By doing this conservatives and liberals would be able to expose their kids to what they think is appropriate. then when the kids hit the job market, their educations will determine how well they do.
We might eliminate the worst of both worlds like participation trophy kids and religious zealot teachings. Rather than that, how about if we just stop using the public school system to promote a social and cultural agenda of any kind and stick to academics.. From a practical standpoint, there is no way to organize bus transportation around a plan like that.. From a social level, what you are arguing in favor of is voluntary segregation along whatever lines the parents deem necessary... and there is no doubt, that is exactly what would happen...
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I honestly think public schools should all have open enrollment, the school boards should be able to dictate curriculum and parents should have a voice at school board meetings. Parents could then choose they school with the curriculum the prefer and send their kids there, let the market decide what kids should be taught and not.
By doing this conservatives and liberals would be able to expose their kids to what they think is appropriate. then when the kids hit the job market, their educations will determine how well they do.
We might eliminate the worst of both worlds like participation trophy kids and religious zealot teachings. Rather than that, how about if we just stop using the public school system to promote a social and cultural agenda of any kind and stick to academics.. From a practical standpoint, there is no way to organize bus transportation around a plan like that.. From a social level, what you are arguing in favor of is voluntary segregation along whatever lines the parents deem necessary... and there is no doubt, that is exactly what would happen... I would have no issue with straight academics, but when you have one side that doesn't believe in science or facts, who determines acceptable academic curriculum? My kids are grown, but I don't think we should say the pledge of allegiance, have any religion at any school related functions, or not teach our kids real science. Sports and arts should also be fully funded and part of the curriculum.
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but when you have one side that doesn't believe in science or facts, So we have one side that doesn't want to teach science or facts.. and the other side doesn't want to teach history... perfect.
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but when you have one side that doesn't believe in science or facts, So we have one side that doesn't want to teach science or facts.. and the other side doesn't want to teach history... perfect. And no one wants to teach English 
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but when you have one side that doesn't believe in science or facts, So we have one side that doesn't want to teach science or facts.. and the other side doesn't want to teach history... perfect. I am a big fan of history, let's talk about the rise of fascism, or how the North as the United States won the Civil War... Or maybe we should talk about how bad democrats used to be and how good republicans were, then how they have switched roles. Or maybe we should talk about the creation of oligarchies and corporate states. We can even cover religions of the world and how they have been used to make war throughout history, used to control groups of people, used to justify unspeakable acts or evil... Pick a subject start a historical 'truth and fact' thread and I'll participate happily.
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but when you have one side that doesn't believe in science or facts, So we have one side that doesn't want to teach science or facts.. and the other side doesn't want to teach history... perfect. I am a big fan of history, let's talk about the rise of fascism, or how the North as the United States won the Civil War... Or maybe we should talk about how bad democrats used to be and how good republicans were, then how they have switched roles. Or maybe we should talk about the creation of oligarchies and corporate states. We can even cover religions of the world and how they have been used to make war throughout history, used to control groups of people, used to justify unspeakable acts or evil... Pick a subject start a historical 'truth and fact' thread and I'll participate happily. And I love science.. as has my whole family.. and I never had a problem learning about science or evolution or the age of the earth or any of that.. So basically your entire premise is wrong, based on your own narrow mindedness and stereotyping.. as you attempt, again, to vilify an entire "side" ...
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For clarity sake...
So people that love each other make you sick to your stomach...literally? Do you instantly throw up or is it a delayed reaction?
Do you hate all public displays of affection?
Do you hold hands with your wife in public?
Why is it that when you see two people holding hands in public you immediately think of what they may or may not do in their bed?
Do you do this with all couples or just same sex couples?
If you answered yes to holding your spouses hands in public...
Should I, if I were to see that, imagine what you and your wife do in bed? Love doesn't make me sick neither does holding hands. Public displays of affection between people of the same sex do physically make me nauseous and always have. Kind of like a gag reflex. It's not something I can control. I have known plenty of gay people from neighbors and schoolmates. I am not fond of heterosexuals show more than simple hand holding or a peck either. I don't feel like watching anyone tongue wrestle in public. It's just way more gross to me if two guys are liplocked. There is nothing anyone can say or any argument that can be made that will change the gut wrenching gagging that happens when my eyes are violated by being forced too see that. I don't go imagining anything. If anything I try to blank it out of my mind asap. That's just gross to even think like that.
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For clarity sake...
So people that love each other make you sick to your stomach...literally? Do you instantly throw up or is it a delayed reaction?
Do you hate all public displays of affection?
Do you hold hands with your wife in public?
Why is it that when you see two people holding hands in public you immediately think of what they may or may not do in their bed?
Do you do this with all couples or just same sex couples?
If you answered yes to holding your spouses hands in public...
Should I, if I were to see that, imagine what you and your wife do in bed? Love doesn't make me sick neither does holding hands. Public displays of affection between people of the same sex do physically make me nauseous and always have. Kind of like a gag reflex. It's not something I can control. I have known plenty of gay people from neighbors and schoolmates. I am not fond of heterosexuals show more than simple hand holding or a peck either. I don't feel like watching anyone tongue wrestle in public. It's just way more gross to me if two guys are liplocked. There is nothing anyone can say or any argument that can be made that will change the gut wrenching gagging that happens when my eyes are violated by being forced too see that. I don't go imagining anything. If anything I try to blank it out of my mind asap. That's just gross to even think like that. Totally normal opinion that doesn't sound like a manifesto.
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For clarity sake...
So people that love each other make you sick to your stomach...literally? Do you instantly throw up or is it a delayed reaction?
Do you hate all public displays of affection?
Do you hold hands with your wife in public?
Why is it that when you see two people holding hands in public you immediately think of what they may or may not do in their bed?
Do you do this with all couples or just same sex couples?
If you answered yes to holding your spouses hands in public...
Should I, if I were to see that, imagine what you and your wife do in bed? Love doesn't make me sick neither does holding hands. Public displays of affection between people of the same sex do physically make me nauseous and always have. Kind of like a gag reflex. It's not something I can control. I have known plenty of gay people from neighbors and schoolmates. I am not fond of heterosexuals show more than simple hand holding or a peck either. I don't feel like watching anyone tongue wrestle in public. It's just way more gross to me if two guys are liplocked. There is nothing anyone can say or any argument that can be made that will change the gut wrenching gagging that happens when my eyes are violated by being forced too see that. I don't go imagining anything. If anything I try to blank it out of my mind asap. That's just gross to even think like that. I'm laughing out loud. Imagine posting several paragraphs about how much you disdain two adults kissing, using the word "gross" multiple times.
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For clarity sake...
So people that love each other make you sick to your stomach...literally? Do you instantly throw up or is it a delayed reaction?
Do you hate all public displays of affection?
Do you hold hands with your wife in public?
Why is it that when you see two people holding hands in public you immediately think of what they may or may not do in their bed?
Do you do this with all couples or just same sex couples?
If you answered yes to holding your spouses hands in public...
Should I, if I were to see that, imagine what you and your wife do in bed? Love doesn't make me sick neither does holding hands. Public displays of affection between people of the same sex do physically make me nauseous and always have. Kind of like a gag reflex. It's not something I can control. I have known plenty of gay people from neighbors and schoolmates. I am not fond of heterosexuals show more than simple hand holding or a peck either. I don't feel like watching anyone tongue wrestle in public. It's just way more gross to me if two guys are liplocked. There is nothing anyone can say or any argument that can be made that will change the gut wrenching gagging that happens when my eyes are violated by being forced too see that. I don't go imagining anything. If anything I try to blank it out of my mind asap. That's just gross to even think like that. How is it a violation to your eyes? And how are you being forced to see it. Look away. It's simple
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You can't convert someone either way. That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works. It's not a choice.
You make me want to get banned from name calling. You speak pure ignorance.
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You can't convert someone either way. That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works. It's not a choice.
How many Homosexual 5 year olds do you know?
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It'll be a nicer world when the younger, more open-minded people gain more power and numbers. The world is trending that way in my opinion. Some day, we won't have angry curmudgeons quoting the bible and trying to make gay kids straight, and saying how "Back in my day we didn't have gay people".
And let me be clear that I'm not knocking religion entirely right now, I'm knocking the hateful people who use the bible and religion to excuse their hatred.
You're a very wrong individual Razor. And I really hope you realize how wrong you are and live long enough to change your ways. Not because it'll mean something of a better afterlife, because I don't believe in that, but because you'll be a lot happier now. And maybe the people in your life will respect you a little more.
Imagine if one of your kids or grandkids were gay. Would you hate them?
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Every single homosexual in the world was once a 5 year old kid. I don't have those numbers, because thankfully we haven't been forced to keep a registry of homosexuals...yet.
I'll make it clearer for you. Let me paint a nice easy example for your brain to wrap around. Little Johnny is 5 years old, and doesn't really even think about anything sexual. But as little Johnny grows a little more, he enters this thing we call puberty. Maybe you've heard of it. During puberty, while some of Johnny's friends are talking about being attracted to this girl or that girl, Johnny finds that he's actually more attracted to this boy or that boy. And hence, Johnny might just be homosexual. It wasn't a choice he actively made to be more attracted to men, it was just always that way.
Does that make sense? It's the easiest way I could describe it for you.
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And further more, you've got Razor over there telling little Johnny he's evil, disgusting, and wicked! What a great person you are Razor. You make me sick.
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Every single homosexual in the world was once a 5 year old kid. I don't have those numbers, because thankfully we haven't been forced to keep a registry of homosexuals...yet.
I'll make it clearer for you. Let me paint a nice easy example for your brain to wrap around. Little Johnny is 5 years old, and doesn't really even think about anything sexual. But as little Johnny grows a little more, he enters this thing we call puberty. Maybe you've heard of it. During puberty, while some of Johnny's friends are talking about being attracted to this girl or that girl, Johnny finds that he's actually more attracted to this boy or that boy. And hence, Johnny might just be homosexual. It wasn't a choice he actively made to be more attracted to men, it was just always that way.
Does that make sense? It's the easiest way I could describe it for you. So Johnny developed a preference for males while Jimmy developed a preference for fat girls and Leroy developed a preference for skinny girls. My married neighbor developed a preference for multiple girls. I think his preference for multiple girls is interesting but I have denied myself those adventures and remain loyal to one wife, due to Religious, Manly responsibilities to my family and other reasons. I agree with you that we all develop preferences as life goes by. Life is all about choices.
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Wrong again. Not a choice and not a preference.
Did you notice where I said that Johnny is attracted to men?
I never said it was a choice, because it isn't. He can't help who he is attracted to.
Did you choose to be attracted to women? No, I didn't think so.
I'm sorry that you can't even understand such a basic concept. It's sad.
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5 year olds are way too sexual for their own good. If you're ever in a kindergarten room, I would not suggest resting your stuff on an edge of a table.
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You can't convert someone either way. That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works. It's not a choice.
You make me want to get banned from name calling. You speak pure ignorance. Sometimes, it's worth a week, as long as you take a couple of them with you. Just saying.
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For clarity sake...
So people that love each other make you sick to your stomach...literally? Do you instantly throw up or is it a delayed reaction?
Do you hate all public displays of affection?
Do you hold hands with your wife in public?
Why is it that when you see two people holding hands in public you immediately think of what they may or may not do in their bed?
Do you do this with all couples or just same sex couples?
If you answered yes to holding your spouses hands in public...
Should I, if I were to see that, imagine what you and your wife do in bed? Love doesn't make me sick neither does holding hands. Public displays of affection between people of the same sex do physically make me nauseous and always have. Kind of like a gag reflex. It's not something I can control. I have known plenty of gay people from neighbors and schoolmates. I am not fond of heterosexuals show more than simple hand holding or a peck either. I don't feel like watching anyone tongue wrestle in public. It's just way more gross to me if two guys are liplocked. There is nothing anyone can say or any argument that can be made that will change the gut wrenching gagging that happens when my eyes are violated by being forced too see that. I don't go imagining anything. If anything I try to blank it out of my mind asap. That's just gross to even think like that. Get some therapy.
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It'll be a nicer world when the younger, more open-minded people gain more power and numbers. The world is trending that way in my opinion. Some day, we won't have angry curmudgeons quoting the bible and trying to make gay kids straight, and saying how "Back in my day we didn't have gay people".
And let me be clear that I'm not knocking religion entirely right now, I'm knocking the hateful people who use the bible and religion to excuse their hatred.
You're a very wrong individual Razor. And I really hope you realize how wrong you are and live long enough to change your ways. Not because it'll mean something of a better afterlife, because I don't believe in that, but because you'll be a lot happier now. And maybe the people in your life will respect you a little more.
Imagine if one of your kids or grandkids were gay. Would you hate them? When you feel that strongly about changing the way other live, especially those you don't know, you really need to look toward changing yourself. Took me a while to learn that one.
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Every single homosexual in the world was once a 5 year old kid. I don't have those numbers, because thankfully we haven't been forced to keep a registry of homosexuals...yet.
I'll make it clearer for you. Let me paint a nice easy example for your brain to wrap around. Little Johnny is 5 years old, and doesn't really even think about anything sexual. But as little Johnny grows a little more, he enters this thing we call puberty. Maybe you've heard of it. During puberty, while some of Johnny's friends are talking about being attracted to this girl or that girl, Johnny finds that he's actually more attracted to this boy or that boy. And hence, Johnny might just be homosexual. It wasn't a choice he actively made to be more attracted to men, it was just always that way.
Does that make sense? It's the easiest way I could describe it for you. So Johnny developed a preference for males while Jimmy developed a preference for fat girls and Leroy developed a preference for skinny girls. My married neighbor developed a preference for multiple girls. I think his preference for multiple girls is interesting but I have denied myself those adventures and remain loyal to one wife, due to Religious, Manly responsibilities to my family and other reasons. I agree with you that we all develop preferences as life goes by. Life is all about choices. A "Gay is a choice" opinion from the board resident of bizarre and creepy views on sex? Color me shocked.
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Life is all about choices. Some of Life is about choices. Some is biological hardwiring. No one chooses to be gay any more than someone chooses to have blue eyes. "He didn't give you Gay, did he?" -Homer Simpson
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Every single homosexual in the world was once a 5 year old kid. I don't have those numbers, because thankfully we haven't been forced to keep a registry of homosexuals...yet.
I'll make it clearer for you. Let me paint a nice easy example for your brain to wrap around. Little Johnny is 5 years old, and doesn't really even think about anything sexual. But as little Johnny grows a little more, he enters this thing we call puberty. Maybe you've heard of it. During puberty, while some of Johnny's friends are talking about being attracted to this girl or that girl, Johnny finds that he's actually more attracted to this boy or that boy. And hence, Johnny might just be homosexual. It wasn't a choice he actively made to be more attracted to men, it was just always that way.
Does that make sense? It's the easiest way I could describe it for you. So Johnny developed a preference for males while Jimmy developed a preference for fat girls and Leroy developed a preference for skinny girls. My married neighbor developed a preference for multiple girls. I think his preference for multiple girls is interesting but I have denied myself those adventures and remain loyal to one wife, due to Religious, Manly responsibilities to my family and other reasons. I agree with you that we all develop preferences as life goes by. Life is all about choices. A "Gay is a choice" opinion from the board resident of bizarre and creepy views on sex? Color me shocked. I'm straight but have had a lot of discussion about this with gay friends. There actually is a smaller percentage that choose to be LGBT, a few more are drawn to it due to sexual trauma at some point in their life, BUT the overwhelming majority are born to it. And 40 knows all about choices, he chooses to be the mental representation of male genitalia everyday.
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Every single homosexual in the world was once a 5 year old kid. I don't have those numbers, because thankfully we haven't been forced to keep a registry of homosexuals...yet.
I'll make it clearer for you. Let me paint a nice easy example for your brain to wrap around. Little Johnny is 5 years old, and doesn't really even think about anything sexual. But as little Johnny grows a little more, he enters this thing we call puberty. Maybe you've heard of it. During puberty, while some of Johnny's friends are talking about being attracted to this girl or that girl, Johnny finds that he's actually more attracted to this boy or that boy. And hence, Johnny might just be homosexual. It wasn't a choice he actively made to be more attracted to men, it was just always that way.
Does that make sense? It's the easiest way I could describe it for you. So Johnny developed a preference for males while Jimmy developed a preference for fat girls and Leroy developed a preference for skinny girls. My married neighbor developed a preference for multiple girls. I think his preference for multiple girls is interesting but I have denied myself those adventures and remain loyal to one wife, due to Religious, Manly responsibilities to my family and other reasons. I agree with you that we all develop preferences as life goes by. Life is all about choices. A "Gay is a choice" opinion from the board resident of bizarre and creepy views on sex? Color me shocked. I'm straight but have had a lot of discussion about this with gay friends. There actually is a smaller percentage that choose to be LGBT, a few more are drawn to it due to sexual trauma at some point in their life, BUT the overwhelming majority are born to it. This is almost as bad as 40's "preference" comment.
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You gotta give it up to 40 for choosing to be only attracted to one woman for his entire life.
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You gotta give it up to 40 for choosing to be only attracted to one woman for his entire life. Yeah, somehow I doubt the guy with a bizarre admiration for rapists, perverts and pedophiles has only a singular attraction to an adult woman.
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What are you talking about? I suppose you think I'm wrong when I tell you what I've heard from the horses mouth? You are being absurd.
Some people are attracted to both male and female. Some only to members of the opposite sex. Some to no one sex in particular, just to the sex. Some are attracted to the affection shown by another or fall n love with somebody of the same sex even though they have always considered themselves hetero... So stop sounding like a know it all already.
The overwhelming majority are born gay, but not all.
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You gotta give it up to her for allowing it.
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Old time joke:
What did the (Polish racial slur) do with his first 50 cent piece?
Married her!
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