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Well, if a GM can't honor his deals and his word... Don't see a bright future for him...

What deal did he make with Gaines?

And what are you claiming that the GM promised Gaines other than a paycheck while under contract>?

What?

This is way BELOW his pay grade and job description. Suit up & play ball. Roster is somebody else's job as is who plays when. Get upset, get right, get over it. We can't be replacing Berea's roofs over this stuff IMO.

Play ball!

It's not overly apparent that these two supplemental draft players have value over replacement players, Vorp.
So, I think the smart thing to do is stay out of it this year.

edit:: Didn't I already say that? Yes, more than a couple weeks ago, so when will this be over and done with?

July 11th, and we'll know if the Browns have taken any of these guys.

We'll know if we get them, will we find out if we put in an offer that gets beat?

At this point (after the year our secondary/defense had), and the FA/draft pickups we've had, is there a downside to bringing in a boom/bust guy at CB with middle risk?

The guy supposedly has 1st-round talent, but unless I missed something he's still considered a boom/bust or even a risky pickup. Does a move like that make sense after all the additions we've already made? Do we let the secondary settle out heading into the year, or add another to the mix? Honest questions...

There may be rumors about who bid what .... but I don't think the NFL generally comments on the whole list of bids. (or lack thereof)

j/c

When trading draft picks this year for a pick next year, isn't the deal usually that - for example - a 3rd THIS year is worth a 2nd NEXT year?

If we see a guy in the supp draft who is a 1st/2nd Rd talent, why not spend a 3rd on the guy and have him now?

i think thats the plan

Our CB position has made HUGE STRIDES ... HUGE ... but its no where’s near done ...

We should have a damm good corner in Ward .. after that ... we improved .. but the other starting corner would not be that hard to improve on ... the slot and 4th are pretty solid but there’s still that other starting corner .... and if we find a good one for that spot ... then we go 5 deep instead of 4 ...

How many CB’s does a team usually keep ... 4 or 5 ...

At least 4-5.

Seeing that corners make up some special team positions....maybe 6, maybe 7.


Plus, you have to factor that a corner can back-up a safety position easier than a safety type can play corner.

Kind of... it's generally assessed a 1/2 round penalty. IE: the 32nd pick next year is worth approximately the 48th or 49th pick. The problem is most teams get "assumed" to be picking somewhere in the mid-round (due to the lack of a crystal ball). Though teams that have recently struggled (Jets, Browns) will get a bit of a higher consideration than consistent playoff squads (Steelers, Pats).



Anyways... if Beal goes for a 4th and it's not to Cleveland I will be disappointed by the lost opportunity. EJ Gaines is on a one year deal, he's allowed to be upset, the fewer reps he gets the smaller contract he gets next year.

You don't post very often, but I am struck by your knowledge of the game when you do post.

Are you more than just a fan? Are you paid to something related to football? You just seem to know more than most posters.

I wish. I work in banking. But picking up on numbers and patterns isn't hard and I probably have paid too much attention to the draft these past 20 years...ugh.

Someday we will be consistent enough as a franchise that I'll be able to just relax and not worry so much.

you better start posting more when that day comes.

I initially expected us to stay away from the supp draft again this year...then I got to thinking this...(WARNING: There is a lot of speculation to follow here).

Fast forward to April 2019 for a minute. Assuming the new guys are decent-enough to get a 2nd year...what is/will-be our weaknesses. (Remember my WARNING above.)

We shouldn't NEED a QB or RB...or WR...or TE. Our OL will STILL be young with young depth gaining another year. If a blue-chip LT guy is available to us in Rd #1 and Coleman/??? doesn't became "The Man"...this could be a position of "Need".

We shouldn't NEED a DT or LB and will always be interested in DEs. Interested does not equal "Need" tho.

In my mind...that leaves the DBs. The upgrade potential here from last year is mind-blowing. Still...this is the one position group that I would think we'd say could be upgraded. In part because you can never have too many good DBs and we have some short-term investments here that - again - are way better than last year, but are short-term guys.

I've come full circle on this supp draft...if they like Beal and he fits the press-cover mold they covet, I'd absolutely be on-board with using a 3rd to get him.

And no...I am not wearing eotab's glasses right now.

I agree, a 4th round bid should be a no brainer. With Wilson being placed on the IR for a 2nd season ... imo ... I would place a 3rd round bid on Beal.

We will probably keep 6-7 CBs' ... I see but 5 on the roster, that might be said to be a sure bet to make the cuts.

I look at it logically:

1. The player (by many accounts) is a 1st round talent
2. We can get him for a 3rd round pick
3. He fits a position of need


then, ideally you can address LT and DL next year ... when those are strengths of the class

With Gaines being on a one year deal, I see trying to get the kid for a third rounder as a no brainer.

Where did we take Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft?

2nd round

July 11th.

Man, I hope you're OK tab.

I'm praying for you bud.

We gave up a second rounder for Gordon. That has been a nightmare so far. Just reminding th FO.

It is, but it will probably take our 2nd....JMO. Some team is probably going to bid a 2nd....somebody who thinks they won't be picking very high in the draft.

Somebody could bid a 1st, but I doubt it. If so, they can have him.

As I have said before, if this guy grades out as a 1st round selection, to me, bid the 2nd rounder and get him.


I don't see it as losing a pick. I see it as getting a first rounder with a 2nd round pick.

Kind of like when we bid a 2nd rounder on Josh.

I don't know how the Josh saga has anything to do with this.

Just because a guy can enter the sup draft doesn't mean they are tainted. Sure, some are suspensions for stupid stuff. Others, grades. I don't really consider that a bad tarnish. Some because they graduated early and can, like Kosar.

Every situation is different.

That's what I'm thinking also. I don't believe a 3rd will get him...

True, I think that the guy who has kinda been a forgotten addition to our secondary, Terrance Mitchel could end up being good player for us going forward.

Great post.

Agreed.

IF that is how he grades out, drop that 2nd and don't blink. It's a bargain.

I don’t even understand the conversation ... its a NO-BRAINER TO ME ...

It's the beginning of July, there isn't much else to talk about, so we will all probably still chime in on this a few more times before the 11th, saying the same things again, lol!!

My thinking is a bit contract-wise. When you have a bunch of Rookie contracts all coming up at the same time, only so many people can get paid. Especially when you have two early first rounders and two early second rounders this year.


Because of this, I'd be hesitant to bid very high on this guy in the supplemental. Assuming that this team improves, I think I'd prefer to balance the team draft-wise every year.


Obviously, at some point, he becomes too good of a deal. But I do think I'd be hesitant to give up a 2nd for him.

I doubt that we do anything more than our 3rd.

As far as having too many contracts coming due at the same time .... it's a great program to have if they are all great players. Heck, between 2011-2018, how many Browns draftees have earned 2nd contracts with the Browns?

Let's see:
John Hughes
Joel Bitonio
Chrsitian Kirksey
Duke Johnson

That's all I see.

Man, it would be great to have to try and figure out hos to re-sign an entire draft class.

I have thought that in the past. No longer.

If all of your draft picks turn out to be good you might have a problem, but they don't. In any given draft it is rare for more than 2, maybe 3 players that turn in to guys you feel you can't lose. You are also going to have drafts where you might only have 1 player, or no players you want to keep 4-5 years down the road.

Great posts, great conversation.

Agree with 'Peen for the most part.

My only hesitation is that we've already added so many pieces this season. It's like moving into a new home... you buy new furniture, decorate, everything else. Sometimes people lose their minds writing checks and then realize a short time later something like the 'fridge is shot and don't really have the cash to buy one.

I don't want to get to next year with glaring weaknesses that we simply didn't see coming, and be out of ammo. Don't want to see a beautiful new 'fridge sitting there in the 2nd round while we're still running to the store to get ice for the cooler... "Yeah, but look at the deal we got on our new dishwasher".