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two guys would would be leading the witch trials if this was the 1600's.

According to the Bible, pork is an unlean meat.

Old Testament. There is nothing (food) unclean according to the New Testament.

Acts 10:9-15

About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

God has made everything clean for us.

you remind me of that kid who swaps up rules mid-game in order to win.

christians are so funny. so do yall use the new testament or nah? cause yall love bouncing back in forth.

Nice twist. Verse 15 only states nothing is impure. In no way does it state that certain things are unclean to eat. That may be what you wish to take away from it, but that's certainly not what it says.

I try my best to follow the Bible.

The Bible is an account of God's love for us. He started out with Abraham, and through Israel's captivity in Egypt. God chose the Israelites to be His people, in order to bring His forgiveness to the world. His law made it impossible for man to obtain forgiveness on his own. Man had to have blood sacrifices to take away his sins. However, even this was insufficient to find forgiveness for all sins.

If you read through the Old Testament, Israel followed the Lord, then idols, and back and forth. (much as we still do today)

However, God so loved the world that He sent Jesus to be a perfect sacrifice for our sins, and to take away our sins forever. All we have to do is to accept His forgiveness, accept him as Lord and Savior, and repent of our sins.

However, even this is too much for many people.

I am quite sure that Christ awaits me when I pass from this life into the next. I fear for what awaits many, many people who do not, or who claim to follow Christ, but try to make up their own rules as they go. I pray that such people will turn to Christ, truly doing so, so they can be saved .... because heaven is beyond anything we can imagine ..... but the alternative is too horrible to comprehend.

Anyway, you guys really aren't listening, so it's no sense continuing to type.I can only hope that you will come to faith in Christ before it becomes too late to do so. (and we never know when that moment will come)

How on earth do you know I haven't been saved YTown? That's pretty accusatory for a self proclaimed Christian.

Just because I tend to support a side of debates which seem to be kinder and more compassionate towards people doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. In fact, in my mind, it would lead to the conclusion that I am a Christian.

The thing that separates Christians from savages like Muslims and Jews is their consumption of pork. That is what we refer to as culture, and they shouldn't be bashed for eating good food.

Do as thou wilt. ~ Not Jesus

Jesus Christ never stepped foot in a Christian Church or read a page of the New Testament. I'd say he was pretty Christ-like.

BTW- neither did his most loyal and praised diciples.

Yes, I understand that sentiment, as I feel quite the same about you. You may very well meet the same fate that you wish, I mean fear, for others. I pray you don’t.

You cannot follow Christ, while acting consistently against Him. You cannot follow Christ, while disputing things He (or God) said in the Bible.

Jesus warned that there is a wide gate, and a narrow gate, and that the narrow gate is the one that leads to eternal life, while the wide gate leads to condemnation and death. Jesus told us to follow and obey Him. Jesus defined certain things in the New testament, personally, and yet you go against those. That is not following Christ.

Matthew 7:21-23 warns us:

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

If we are acting contrary, or in rebellion against the Bible, then we are not following Christ. Your words indicate that you are making up your own rules, as opposed to obeying what Jesus taught. Jesus never told us to follow some of what he taught. He told sinners to go and sin no more. He told us not to lead (little ones) astray, but that is what happens when we offer approval of sinful activities, as though God would. What does the Bible tell us that this gets us? It is also not "kind" to approve of sinful behavior, and to make excuses in the name of compassion. Jesus never once told people to go and continue to sin. Do you know what he told them instead?

Timothy 3:16 says: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Yes, rebuking when a believer is doing contrary to what the Bible teaches, and when they are offering approval to sinful things people do.

I do not once, not for one second, believe that Jesus wants us to stand by while a brother leads people astray, by tacit approval of sin. Jesus warns us against leading others into sin, and if someone is sinning, and you, as a Christian, approve of that sin, then why would they ever turn from it?

Now I am not saying that we go around throwing a finger into peoples' faces and screaming "sinner!", but we cannot be part of the world, where we pretend that anything anyone wants to do is just fine with God. If we are doing this, then we are not following Christ. You can act kindly towards others without telling them, or implying, that their sin is just fine, and they'll be just fine with God. That really is leading them astray, which Jesus warned against.

No, they, along with Paul, Luke, and others, wrote the New Testament.

Are you saying that it is invalid then?

They really do pick and choose what OT laws that follow. It's sad that they get on their pedestal and spew venom at those who remind them of themselves. We were all born sinners and will always be sinners, but only the most corrupt and desperate for God's love, counts the sins of others and not their own. I hope God can forgive their arrogance.

j/c:

Hey y'all..........I don't go to church. I don't read the bible. I don't chant the Lord's prayer. I dislike religion. However, it seems like several of you are ganging-up on YTown. Back off.

He's not hurting anyone w/his beliefs. And it isn't cool to bully anyone because they are different.

I look at this way. I don't want some Christian dude to tell me what I need to believe in, but I'm not going to tell him not to believe. To each their own.

his religious views by itself isnt the problem.

what i have always had the problem with is how he decides to use his religious views in relation to politics.

example: i dont have a problem with muslims. i have a problem with muslims who try to push sharia law.

i dont have a problem with christians, i have a problem with the part timers who pick in choose which "sin" they decide to be outraged over, and which ones they go "eh, whatever".

Okay, I don't read those posts because they irritate me. But, back off the dude a bit. He's not a bad guy.

ill back off him when he decides to back of the LBGT community.

I didn't imply anything, I said what I said. And I also don't think the disciples themselves wrote the New Testament. You can find a good except about it here:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124572693

So not knocking you Ytown, but most of the time you shouldn't take the bible literally and sometimes not even seriously. You always have to remember that the words in the bible came from the hands of men, even if they were divinely inspired they have also been interpreted a number of times. There are also many versions of the bible today that contrast with one another. Just food for thought from your Atheist pal.

He has the "right" to believe as he so chooses. And I believe you have the "right" to believe as you so choose. I don't believe either of you have the "right" tell one another what to believe or not believe.

That doesn't mean discussion of our views with each other is taboo. I'm not picking on Ytown, he's not mad at me...

And I find it slightly ironic that you are playing ref in a reasonable and peaceful conversation between opposite sides. Isn't that what you've been calling for for months?

Don't get upset, Vambo....er...OCD. I'm just telling you that you have no right to tell him what he should or should not believe in.

Bro really? nobody is upset unless you are. And my second sentence above was just honest consternation in why you are acting like this is something it's not.

I'm not upset at all. What would make you think that? I didn't call you a name. I didn't rant. I just said that none of us should tell others what to believe in or not believe in. That's not emotional.

I personally am not a religious dude, but I have zero problems w/those who are..........unless, of course, they tell me I have to think like them.

One of the best things about life, in my humble opinion, is that we have the power to choose what we believe in. We can believe in God...or not. We can Conservative or Liberal. We can believe in equality or not. We can choose to be caring citizens who help one another or we can choose to be predators who feed off of human weaknesses. It's our choice.

I like the right to choose. I don't want anyone to ever tell me what I should believe in or shouldn't believe in. You can try to educate me and influence my opinion, but don't dare tell me what I "should" do in regards to believing in one thing or another.

"I personally am not a religious dude, but I have zero problems w/those who are..........unless, of course, they tell me I have to think like them."

~this is me too.

I only rant about religion when it is used to legislate, bully, or kill. My mother prays for me.

Welcome back. It's a shame that your already starting up with slander and hyperbole. I have never once committed violence in God's name. I have never once told anyone to be cruel or hateful. I just say it like the Bible says it. No more and no less. If the Bible says it's a sin then it's a sin. Period.

You constantly said we should nuke the middle East, turning it into glass or just bombing it into a parking lot, during the height of the war on terror

That's actually false. Christ preached from the Temples and he preached where two or more had gathered. It's doesn't take much to make a church. Also, one of the places he taught his disciples was later turned into a church so there is that. His disciples created MANY new Christian churches and they taught from many of the same books we teach from now even if it wasn't all organized into one book and called the Bible until later on.

remember, he never once committed violence.

but he's cool if other people do so. lol man this crap is beyond crazy.

We both know I was using hyperbole and that the idea has nothing to do with religion but just being fed up with all the violence we keep getting dragged into over there. C'mon man! =)

The temples were Jewish, not Christian, Christ was a Jew. And obviously when I said "Christian Church", I meant a building and you know it.

As for the many books the disciples taught from, do you have a link for that information because I'd like to read it. I provided a link for you to read.

When I talk about these things it's not to disparage Christianity, it's to be more informed or help others be more informed. Don't read any more into it than that.

I agree I don't like it when they pick and choose either because all sin is bad. Homosexuality is a sin though so telling a Christian to just shut up and ignore their beliefs is not very tolerant of you.

That's a bad look, man.

You want a link? Here it is...

READ THE BIBLE.

I have, cover to cover twice, have you?

All Christians ARE Jews. We worship the same God. We use the same books from the old testament. The term Christian was just a name given to the Jews who follow Christ. Many of the first Churches were Jewish temples to start with however Nero began to execute all Christians so they had to go underground to avoid death. Any place where 2 or more are gathered in his name is a Church though so it still hold true in my opinion.

I don't need a link because this is all common knowledge especially for those who have been to seminary like I have.

Just reading it isn't enough. I already explained that previously so I won't rehash it.

This religious talk is old.

Don't worry mate the world is making darn sure that Israel and Iran bring that pot to boil sooner or later anyway. I just hope the USA doesn't get drug into it along with Russian and China. I really wish the world was not run by people with giant egos with fingers on tiny buttons ready to destroy us all.

Then don't participate =) No one is forcing you to read this thread right? I myself only look at it once in a while since I know I will always be annoyed by people pretending to be tolerant when in fact they are VERY intolerant of Christian views. I have no intention of being bullied into ignoring my faith or being told to shut up and be quiet about it either just because some folk don't like hearing that some of the things they do in life is sinful.

There is not one sin in life that is OK. I don't play favorites with sin as some have suggested. I just hit the head of the nail that sticks out the most first before someone trips over it.