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So, she's here legally. And is a U.S. citizen.
Cool.
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The fact that you say capitalism is a pyramid scheme tells me all I need to know about your views. So, if you were to make a shaped diagram of our economy, what shape would you use? An Isosceles Triangle.
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That sounds like a confusing diagram. Why a rectangle?
Also, I didn't answer your questions, because it would take some time on my phone to correct a lot of things. Now that I'm on my computer, I'll be happy to.
First, capitalism is based on a class structure inherent from feudal europe where Capitalism derives from. At the very bottom you have low skilled workers (feudal europe: farmhands. Today: factory workers), in the middle you have your skilled workers (FE: Stonemasons. Today: Repairmen), in the top middle you have your intelligentsia (FE: Barons and Dukes. Today higher executive management) and your ruler (FE: King. Today: CEO). It's always been a system of class based on economics. Socialism tries to shape the triangular nature of capitalism, into more of a rhombus, where the middle is the fattest part. That's why I suggested that we give tax breaks on actual labor instead of capital. Capital investments do not incentive people to work harder, because they are normally removed from the structure (unless they are part of the structure like CEO's and management). I cannot start working at Dominos right now because I am a stock owner. That's not how the relationship between capital and wage works. Instead people will be incentive to work harder in their jobs, because they are taxed less and can make more money that way.
Have you earned any of your capital investments? What did you do to earn them? Have you ever worked harder on your capital investments because you thought it would lead to an increase wage?
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To me, it's less of an issue of raising tax rates, and more of an issue of simplifying our methods of taxation. Corporate tax rates in the US are higher than many other places in the world. The problem comes when you have a tax code made of all these loopholes that allow specific parties to weasel out of paying their fair share.
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That's how the GOP works people up in terms of taxes and how businesses make it look like they're the victims. They state their tax rate in raw numbers. They never actually state the rate they pay, the effective tax rate. If they did and told the entire truth that way, it wouldn't help them make such a strong argument.
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I am not suggesting redistribution - it's a dirty word (and the wrong one in my opinion), but we at least need to do something to get the ball rolling the other way. Bernie seemed to get that as you mentioned, and though I didn't agree with a lot of what he said, he was the candidate I most supported based on this concept alone. I want redistribution.. I just want it to be "voluntary"... Ideally I don't want a system that is dependent on the government raking in a bunch of money from rich people and then picking and choosing winners and losers as to who gets that money.. for two reasons: 1. The government is painfully inefficient and a significant portion of the money will just get syphoned off to feed the machine and will never get where it needs to go. 2. The government picking winners and losers of who gets the money and how will be rolled up into a political nightmare (which it really already is) and be used as a weapon to win/buy votes. No, what I view as much more ideal.. is an incentive program where it becomes more beneficial for profitable companies to raise wages, compensation, benefits for employees than to take in massive profits and then divide them up among the top management and the biggest shareholders.. Take the government out of the "redistribution" business and get employers to just pay their employees, especially lower tier employees, more money. I don't know what that system looks like, how to structure it, etc.. I just know that having more money go directly to those who are earning it is ideal.. providing the incentive for lower tier employees to work and to keep jobs..
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Great tax breaks! yeah Trump  Now none of that will find its way to the working poor. Did you read the part about $ 1,ooo dollar bonus checks? But shareholders are coming out far ahead. TrimTabs notes that the $436.6 billion of buybacks announced during the second quarter would have paid for a $1,000 bonus check to be sent to 6.8 million workers — every single trading day. Question to see if I'm reading that quote correctly. Are they giving $1,000 bonus to 6.8 million workers every day? Dude, I have a answer to all the pissed off liberals that got a BONUS or TAX BREAK. Instad of getting angry just pass it on to me. One guy got mad because 1k after taxes is ONLY $650. Dems always give better tax breaks....Wait a minute they don't give tax breaks. They just raise them. I've read, but never confirmed that, adjusted for inflation, Kennedy gave a bigger tax break. So, you are wrong on that part. But you didn't answer my question. Why don't you stay on task instead of the garbage you spew....
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Great tax breaks! yeah Trump  Now none of that will find its way to the working poor. Did you read the part about $ 1,ooo dollar bonus checks? But shareholders are coming out far ahead. TrimTabs notes that the $436.6 billion of buybacks announced during the second quarter would have paid for a $1,000 bonus check to be sent to 6.8 million workers — every single trading day. Question to see if I'm reading that quote correctly. Are they giving $1,000 bonus to 6.8 million workers every day? Dude, I have a answer to all the pissed off liberals that got a BONUS or TAX BREAK. Instad of getting angry just pass it on to me. One guy got mad because 1k after taxes is ONLY $650. Dems always give better tax breaks....Wait a minute they don't give tax breaks. They just raise them. I've read, but never confirmed that, adjusted for inflation, Kennedy gave a bigger tax break. So, you are wrong on that part. But you didn't answer my question. Why don't you stay on task instead of the garbage you spew.... I didn't answer your question because I thought it was stupid.
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Great response!  Way to discuss things rationally! Thanks for contributing!
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