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j/c:

I posted this earlier, but Diam was the only one who answered it. will tried to change the narrative around, but did not answer the question.

I'm actually very curious as to how you guys answer this:

So, what would you do at WR?

A. Sign Eli Rodgers

B. Sign Dez Bryant

C. Make a trade for someone like Mitchell

D. Nothing, because we can count on Gordon w/out a doubt.

I'll answer but I have to qualify that by saying I don't know enough about the condition of JG at this time to really enter him into the equation or my answer could be different.

Firstly, D. is not an option. JG has played what, 4 games in the past three years? To even suggest anyone could honestly say that "we can count on Gordon" is a non starter.

My answer would be A. I think he could be had for a very reasonable cost and would certainly upgrade the position. I think any time that's an option you take it.

B is not someone I want brought to Cleveland. His attitude could be cancer.

C. I'm not sure I'm ready to trade away future picks at this time for something I don't consider a major need.

Ink Rodgers without doubt. Regardless of Gordon. Pushes Louis and Higgins even further out the door.

No way on Dez. Obvious shell of his old self.

I go with Rogers, no matter what the status of Gordon is. It's about making the team better, and Rogers is better than the bottom WR on the roster (Hollywood?), so he would make the team better.

If Gordon is a no go, then I would explore option C as well (not sure if I am allowed to go w 2 options). Saw a post about 5 trade options for Cle to fill the void left by Gordon. Beckham, Dez and Mitchell were 3 of the 5, though not sure Dez would require a trade? I pass on him no matter what.

Absolutely no to B and D.

Who were the other two?

Vers.- I want Rodgers ... regardless of whats going on with Josh ... just to have sumptin to talk about since i all ready answered ... *L* ...

I want Rodgers ... he’’s good .. not really sure how much of a fit he is to replace Josh though .. he has Landry’s skill set ... i actually called him a poor mans Jarvis Landry a week or so ago .. and thats not a slam on Rodgers its more indicitave of how much i think of Jarvis ...

I think if Josh is toast or has a relapse that either CC or Calloway have the speed to fill his role .. or maybe even Janis ... i’m Not sure how we would replace Josh if we sign Rodgers ... our two best recievers IMO would be Jarvis and Eli ... thats two possession type guys ...

Would we play Jarvis and CC or Calloway or Janis ... witch way would our O Brian trust go on that one ...

Food for thought ....

D. but not because we can count on Gordon...don't want guys looking for buck just before season starts. Very happy with Taylor and Landry pickups....right time to do it. I see our TEs and other WRs on the teams as enough targets without Gordon. Coleman needs to step up....Go Browns!!!

A, but it has nothing at all to do with D.

Rodgers is better than Corey Coleman. Hands down. Sign Rodgers, make Coleman earn his roster spot by beating out every other WR, knowing full well that the two we drafted with be on the roster, too. Put pressure on the bottom of the roster to step it up and finally earn a spot!

Whether Gordon is here or not (I'm betting that he is just fine), it makes us a much better team.

"I do not think that means what you think it means."


Inconceivable!

Who is saying he's a victim? He is a mentally sick individual.

I would sign Rodgers no matter what happens with Gordon. I agree we can't count on him, but I hope he proves us wrong. But Rodgers knows Haley's offense, and is pretty good. If anything, he could replace Coleman or Higgins in the WR room.

I can buy into Gordon getting anxious at this time. It's happened before. And to compound his anxiousness is the Hard Knocks crew being in camp.

The two big stories of this camp is the #1 draft pick Baker Mayfield and Josh Gordon returning. Josh Gordon's story is well documented. With this being his first full off-season and camp he becomes a big, big story. He'd be faced with cameras shoved in his face and be forced to tell and re-tell his story over and over. It's not a great time for him to go all through that again. Best to step aside and let them focus on the team instead of him. Meanwhile he can safely sit back in a treatment facility and strengthen his resolve.

Knowing his story to this point it's easy to suspect the worst due to this. On the other hand it's easy to understand the logic in taking a step back so as to not allow himself and his well documented addiction to be the big story of training camp to be televised nationally.

It's a shame he'll miss out on training camp. For both himself and the team. Right at the time they can develop the offense to get ready for the upcoming season he won't be there. He'll have a lot of catching up to do once he returns and it's highly likely he won't return until the cameras and interviewers are long gone. It's a bummer but it is what it is.

j/c


Anxiety is a real issue that many probably don't understand.

I recommend Steve Young's book to anyone.

I don't think this Gordon news is that big of a deal.

I also don't think Eli Rogers is here for a visit because of Gordon's "issue." Based on the history of JG I don't think we'd continue with Gordon on the roster if we felt we were dealing strictly with a drug issue. I believe there is more to him than a drug addiction and we are standing by him in support. A lot of people just like to assume the worst.

Eli Rogers is what, 5'10". He lined-up mostly in the slot last season. He wouldn't be signed to replace Gordon... but I would sign him as well and not because of Gordon's recent news... We have Gordon, Coleman, Landry and then it's Higgins, Louis, Janis, and Callaway. Sign him. Plus Rogers' old OC is in Cleveland. I wouldn't pay him like Landry, but I would bring Rogers in over market.

So its OK to bring Eli in over market but it was as if we broke one of the commandments when we brought in Landry ...

Okie dokie ...

To begin with I'd change option 'D' to read differently because all of the above could be options even if Gordon did not announce he would miss camp. Was there ever a time we could count on Gordon 'w/out a doubt'? We've been asking that question since he returned. This new development doesn't change that for better or worse. So at any time since this off-season started we could reasonably ask about A, B, or C. But 'D', as you worded it was never an option. It was simply a chance we were willing to take, or not.

Since the question requires us to make a choice between the given options I would exclude option 'D', (since it never existed), and from the remaining I'd choose 'A'. In fact, I might have chosen 'A' without these recent developments. If Rodgers can ball-out, (which he really hasn't done yet), he'd give us an experienced option on the outside opposite Gordon. It would give Callaway time to acclimate and/or Coleman time to be brought along, (the team has already considered trading him so where does he fit anyway?).

Dez might be the better option because he can still catch. But as has been said he's lost a couple of steps witch makes him a bad option as a #1WR but still a good one as a 2 or 3. The problem I have with Dez is he would suddenly become the biggest story, he would make sure of that, and it would stay that way for too long.

Mitchell would be a low-cost addition who is also going to miss training camp after recently having a procedure done. ( link) Besides, he missed all of last year with a knee problem.

Maybe all I did was change the narrative around.

To really change the narrative I would add an option 'E' which would be 'none of the above'. I fell we have plenty of WR options already on the team. We don't even know who they are yet and are talking about adding someone who may not be as good as one or two of our own guys.

"I wouldn't pay him like Landry, but I would bring Rogers in over market."


You think Rogers should be paid like Landry, eh?

I don't think that was quite what he was saying.

Didn't he just say he wouldn't pay him like Landry?

I sign Rodgers no matter what. I don't want the others for a variety of reasons. If nothing else, Rodgers knows Haley and Haley knows him.


Rodgers is better than Higgins or Ricardo. No?

First of all............thanks to all who answered the question I posed. I appreciate it.



I actually added that the second time I posed the question, but then erased it because I kept thinking of other options. LOL

Bro, I hear you on the "w/out a doubt" comment. I added that for perspective. In fact, the entire point of the question was to add some perspective to the situation. People were getting way too emotional and quite a few posts were deleted.

I think it is best to think logically rather than emotionally.

I said this before, but I think it bears repeating. If I was the GM, I would prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I absolutely would not count on Josh being available all season long. I also would give him as much support as I could because I recognize what a great talent he is.

I don't think that is an unreasonable approach and I think it's better than all these ridiculous posts where people are beating their chests and hurling insults because others don't think the way they do.

You keep saying all these insults. I am not seeing any/many insults. You made it sound like I insulted you.


No doubt that missing time isn't good. I just expounded that maybe it isn't all that bad considering where he might be or might be headed.

Let's wait and see what the facts are before we start thinking the worst....and I am not even saying you are thinking that..


He has had a full off season in the system. He has been working hard by all reports. Him missing a few weeks isn't a big deal IMO. If he is still sitting with the shrink in mid August, then it is a problem.


No doubt it would be way better if Josh acted more like Tebow in his dealings, but it is what it is

peen, I just got done mentioning that there were all kinds of posts that were deleted due to insults and language.

Now, go talk to will, tab, or someone like that. I'm not interested in conversing w/you.

this whole thing doesn't pass the sniff test with me. If you're so mentally fragile that you have to skip training camp and maybe longer to get right in the head, then you don't have the mental fortitude to last a full season and contribute.

Training camp is so structured, so strict, living in dorms, eat breathe sleep football that it should've actually helped him keep in line. I don't buy that it was planned, especially a few days before TC. Did they think that Hard Knocks would be too hard for him? Boo Hoo! I've cashed in my JG stock, bought High, selling low for a loss.

Eli Rodgers sounds like it would be a good fit since he knows the offense, weakens a division opponent, but I'm concerned about his bum knee.

Not to be provocative here...


Like I said, I didn't see any. If there were, your point is taken. Just know I didn't see any between visits which might have been 12 hours apart.


You don't have to converse with me if you don't want to do so. That won't prevent me with conversing with you. I like talking to smart posters. That's up to you.

It seems that you are trying to steer the conversation in another direction.

I will post this yet again:



Do you have a problem w/that or not? If not, quit bugging me.

Has anyone heard anything about how Eli's visit went today?

Vers, I got a feeling that is what they been doing all along. I've never heard Hue or Dorsey, or even Haley talk as if Gordon was going to be their savior. I agree wholeheartedly with you on this situation.
The fans have been building him up, some calling him "goat". I think him getting closer to the season is letting these expectations get to him. On Instagram and other places many act as if he is going to be the best in the league. I think he will be good, and has the potential to be the best, but reality and history say that is a tall hill to climb for someone so emotionally weak.

I'm going to let it play out. If he does a whole season and performs well, the Browns will benefit, as will he. If he is only available part time, his potential, and huge payday will never be seen.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/07/bashaud_breeland_visiting_the.html

Browns hosting CB Bashaud Breeland on Friday, WR Eli Rogers and CB Jude Adjei-Barimah today for free agent visits

I have said all along I agree with you.


I might be more hopeful than you, but I am also a realist like you. Dorsey should look at every move as a GM to prepare for the worst.

Expect the best and prepare for the worst.

I was a Boy Scout....Always be prepared. Dorsey needs a plan B option for everything on the field from Josh not being there to having to can Hue 6 games in to the season.

I hope none of those happen, and I am sure he doesn't either, but he needs to know what he is going to do just in case.


Plan for the worst and hope for the best. A good model for anybody to follow.

Your entire post was very good. I agree w/you. I think you nailed it w/the above comment.

In fact, Joe Thomas addressed this very thing when he was on NFL Network yesterday.

Believe me, I didn't come up w/the "prepare for the worst and hope for the best" thing all on my own. LOL

Why is everyone so high on Eli Rogers? I had never heard of him before the past couple days. I looked him up, but don’t really see so many are high on him?

Can someone clarify this?

I'll try.

First off, he's available. Not too many good WRs are left out there.

Secondly, most of my family and friends are Steeler fans and thus, I am not forced, but rather I'm coerced to follow the Steelers a bit. The football savvy ones liked Eli. His strengths are:

Good route runner
Can be a good returner
Good hands
Quick
Agile
Similar qualities to Antonio Brown

I think he lost a little of the magic this past year and fell down the depth chart a bit. He isn't great, but he's a decent WR who is familiar w/Haley's offense and is an upgrade to a few of the guys on our roster.

I hope that helps.

This thread right now.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c9ab0010-9dab-429d-a1a4-509dea3a3b19

Any news on Rogers visit?

Took me a while to track it down. I misspoke about Dez. He was mentioned in the article (link below) but not as a trade option. As someone to bring in for a talk, like with Rogers.

1 - Beckham (NYG)
2 - Malcolm Mitchell (NE)
3 - Laquon Treadwell (Minn)
4 - Kevin White (Chi)
5 - Brandon Coleman (NO)



Link

Ty sir ... didnt mean to make u search ... thanks though .... was curious to see the list ...

Not a fan of any on it ... i like Mitchell, he just can’t stay healthy ...

And i think off that list .... Mitchell and Coleman (NO) are 50/50 to make the team ....

No worries, Diam. Glad to do it.