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with exception to the Linn Sondek, I think Thorens are the best Turntables one can own. This be my rig: Ariston RD40. Built and designed by Hamish Robertson (the man who invented the original RD11) to compete directly with the Linn Sondeck (LP12). He was friends with Ivor Tiefenbrun (Linn), and Ivor's father manufactured parts for both companies. Set up shop just down the road from his friend and competitor. Disregard the tonearm on this pic. Mine was this: Signet XK35. Lightweight, precision machined extremely rigid aluminum. Viscous damped in both vertical and horizontal axes. And here be my "needle" (hehehe) Sumiko Blue Point Special ("The Naked Truth"). Built to compete with Grace, Goldring and Ortofon. This little rig was/is a giant killer. LP's sing as well as or better than most folks' Linns, Thorens' and Rega's All purchased used/discount TT: $90 on the consignment rack Arm: $125 (sold at dealer cost at the height of CD era) comparable to a SME series III Cartridge: $250 (Retail $600) So, by being patient and scouring the salons over the course of about 8 months, I put together a rig for under 500 that makes 3K outfits sweat bullets. That was a fun hobby. Maybe I'll pull all my gear out of mothball when I retire. Good thread.
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If the international space station had a turntable, it would look like that.
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Dag.......we had to work at it. Read this. Listen to this. Talk to this dude. Converse w/this chick. Read, read, read. And most importantly.............go live freaking life. Not behind a keyboard, but we experienced s... live, up-close, and personal. Travel across state lines to see concerts. Congregate at huge rock festivals. Attend protests. March on campus. That s.... was fun and educational and our generation produced the greatest music in the history of mankind. I think that has something to do w/having to go out and create your own stuff, rather than having it all handed to you.
People still do this, including younger teens and millennials. It hasn't died...its just that the mainstream masses choose to listen to playlists on Spotify, but there are loads of people who still do all of the above that you list. I'm one of them.
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with exception to the Linn Sondek, I think Thorens are the best Turntables one can own. This be my rig:  [ Yep, I've seen a photo of your rig before. Beautiful TT and very futuristic and minimal. I'd love to hear some of my favorite records on it. I have a love for vintage equipment and the 70s produced some lovely equipment where they began to understand how to get the best/clearest audio signal from recorded media into our living spaces. Beautiful amps, tuners and receivers as well as turntables and speakers were crafted in the 70s. It kinda coincided with the explosion of rock in 1971. Some of the tuners/amps etc. had literally everything but the kitchen sink thrown in and the weight of the equipment nearly matches its power (I have an Onkyo tuner from '78 that weighs a back breaking 65lbs!, but dude when that baby is on 3 it shakes the house. I have never gone beyond 5 because I am afraid it may wake the dead, or break the windows!)!
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Dude, I am trying to paint a picture for younger folks who have not experienced such a thing and you gotta ruin it? Really?
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Dude, I am trying to paint a picture for younger folks who have not experienced such a thing and you gotta ruin it? Really?
And...I ruined it? How? I simply replied to you. Weird.
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I was trying to describe what those stores were like for those who have never got to experience them.
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I was trying to describe what those stores were like for those who have never got to experience them.
Never mind. And, all I was saying is those stores still survive. Maybe not where you live, but like I said Portland has at least 25 record stores. And, I know many people who travel far and wide to go to concerts, read etc. If you are going to get all sensitive and bent out of shape simply because of my pretty tame reply then man, I don't know what to say. That's on you. Sorry if you didn't feel "validated". Jeesh. Anyway, I'm sure Clem will keep the conversation going without getting overly sensitive.
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Yeah, it flipped me out when I first laid eyes on it. Even so, it's tame as a puppy compared to what's out there in the esoterica/more 'money than sense' department. Check out what 130, 000.00 can get you. Yes... you read it right: 130K The Clearaudio Statement V2 Arrives 14. January 2016 · Write a comment · Categories: Hifi News · Tags: Hi fi turntables, hifi news
Originally launched in 2006, the Clearaudio Statement was lauded worldwide as a “masterpiece of engineering” which had truly “advanced the state of the art”. From the massive 350kg structure and architectural design to its “ground-breaking” technology -which included a trick or two borrowed from the Mars Rover – the Statement took turntable construction to a whole new dimension.
Clearaudio’s goal with the original Statement was to leverage everything their development team had learnt in 30 years of audio engineering and to bring together new technologies never before seen in combination, to make a cost-no-object, state-of-the-art masterpiece. Fast forward a decade and the team remains equally dedicated to breaking the rules and boundaries of music reproduction: hence the new Statement ‘v2’, painstakingly advanced with a raft of developments.
The sheer presence of the Statement’s structural design has always been a major talking point and the new v2 looks great in its piano-black lacquer finish and matching black turntable platter. Its massive integrated stand, which comprises four stainless steel legs separated and supported by eight curved supports, is “completely damped against resonance”. The supports feature a sandwich construction of aluminium plates filled with Panzerholz, a high-density bullet-proof manufactured wood renowned for its acoustic damping properties.
The top layers of the massive stand now incorporate thousands of tiny metal ball bearings embedded within the aluminium and Panzerholz sandwich, for resonance control.
One of the original Statement’s most prized innovations was its magnetic bearing technology, in which the platter is magnetically suspended so that there is no mechanical connection between platter and drive motor. So successful was this technology that it has since been patented and applied to most of Clearaudio’s turntable range. The motor uses a belt to drive the lower of two sub-platters, which contains a series of very strong magnets. Floating above it is an upper sub-platter containing an opposing set of magnets. The two sub-platters never touch and are held at a precise distance by the strong magnetic field. Attached to the upper sub-platter is a bearing spindle, which is connected to the main platter. In short, the main platter effectively floats on a cushion of air.
In the Statement v2, the bearing spindle is replaced with an enhanced design manufactured from Wolfram carbide, to which a nano nitrate coating is applied by laser, providing vastly superior strength and stability. The spindle’s design now features a two-piece construction in which the two parts are joined by a special high-technology adhesive, resulting in improved energy transfer and resonance control.
A key feature of the original Statement was the high-speed microprocessor-controlled motor used to drive the sub-platter, which drew directly on the technology used to propel the Mars Rover. The result was an outstanding level of real-time speed control. “When the platter is spinning, you can apply substantial downforce… with your finger and watch microprocessor instantly correct the speed”1. The v2’s electronic speed control circuitry is completely new. A brand new circuit board featuring upgraded components gives even more precise speed control and stability. At the same time, the motor pulley and belt have been redesigned, fine-tuning them for superior noise reduction.
Going back to the platters, the previously acrylic main platter has been replaced with a POM version, with its higher density and superior damping properties. The driven lower sub-platter has a newly-machined outer surface to better mate with the drive belt for even finer transmission and performance.
Moving down, the main gyroscopic bearing that supports the entire floating structure has been improved and upgraded for better performance. Those familiar with the original Statement will recall its innovative self-levelling mechanism. A 95kg damped self-levelling pendulum hangs from the gyroscopic bearing and comprises a series of stainless steel plates, eccentrically weighted by drilling out a portion of each plate’s inner periphery. Careful rotation of the various plates yields a platter that is perfectly level with the earth’s surface (as distinct from your floor) and with whichever tonearms are being used.
Moving back up-top, while the Statement accommodates up to four tonearms, the arm ‘par excellence’ for this turntable is the Statement TT1 tangential tonearm. Designed specifically and exclusively for the Statement turntable, it too has been upgraded.
The great plus of a tangential tonearm is that it delivers zero lateral tracking error and no skating force, because the cartridge moves in a way that is perfectly aligned with the record groove rather than pivoting as conventional arms do. To achieve this, the TT1 is constructed in two main parts. A supporting rail, in the form of a complex glass tube, occupies a fixed position parallel to the record’s radius. A high-precision carriage holding a straight carbon fibre tonearm runs along the rail. This construction means that the tonearm only pivots vertically, not horizontally, and so the cartridge stylus can only move in a straight line precisely along the record’s radius, following the exact same path as the cutting head when the record groove was initially made.
In the new TT1 v2, the arm carriage now hangs below the glass rail, rather than above it (think Skytrains or monorails), which provides greater stability and hence improved consistency of performance. The carbon fibre arm tube now has improved internal damping and carries a black anodized aluminium headshell. Ease and precision of VTA adjustment, already strong features in the original TT1, are now even better: a new reference scale enables even simpler, more precise and repeatable VTA adjustments.
Finally, to finish up-top, the Statement v2 is crowned with a peerless dual record clamping system: the stainless steel and Panzerholz Statement Clamp features three-point resonance absorption technology, while the Outer Limit record clamp holds down the entire outer edge of the record without touching the grooves, its 1.5 kg weight adding to the flywheel effect and flattening minor warps leading to a significant sonic improvement.
The initial set-up of the Statement v2 is, of course, reassuringly detailed and complex. No need to worry, though, since a senior member of the Clearaudio team will travel to wherever in the world a customer happens to be and perform a full, expert set-up. Happily, subsequent operation of the Statement is surprisingly simple. And, as you might expect from such a masterpiece of audio engineering, the sound quality will stop you in your tracks.
The Clearaudio Statement is available now priced as follows (including VAT):
Statement turntable £92,500
Statement TT1 tangential tonearm £18,500.
Full set-up by trained Clearaudio personnel is included with the purchase of each Statement.
For folks who would rather spin vinyl than Pirelli tires, I guess.
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That's insane. 130k...I'm sure it sounds amazing, but yeah, NO.
I'm very happy with my Thorens and Pioneers, thank you very much.
Have you seen the vertical record players? No idea what the point is other than a conversation while watching it play.
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I've not seen them. Have to check them out.
I'm happy with my Ari
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yeah... I'm seeing it and wondering all the usual stuff:
how's tracking? how does one set stylus pressure? anti-skate? platter speed stability?
yeah, my inner geek is taking over, but still... it's cute, and that's about it.
Thanks for the share
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I'm guessing I will stick with my Pirelli tires.
As I own no vinyl.
Although that thing Clem posted reminds me of the multiple level chess board from The Big Bang Theory.
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Audio nirvana has no upper budget limit and unlimited expectations....
Listening to Steely Dan and Amy Winehouse tonight.
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There are several out and Pro-Ject makes one.
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Pro-Ject makes some nice traditional gear, as well.
They play in the same sandbox as Rega Planar 3's. Nice rigs.
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Audio nirvana has no upper budget limit and unlimited expectations....
Listening to Steely Dan and Amy Winehouse tonight. Back in the day, I used to have monthly house subscriptions to Stereophile, Stereo Review, The Absolute Sound. I was always blown away at what folks would spend on a hobby. The numbers I saw in 1983 are paltry compared to what's out there now. Which Dan? I love my MFSL gold press CD of Aja. #geekout
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Pro-Ject makes some nice traditional gear, as well.
They play in the same sandbox as Rega Planar 3's. Nice rigs. Pro-ject makes the sandbox I play in. Sounds pretty good to my average ears.
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Yeah, Pro-Ject and Rega also make excellent entry level TTs. Rega probably take the prize for me simply because of their tonearms, which are superb. Still, you are looking at $400 just for their entry level model. On a different note...my grandmother used to have one of those beautiful antique record cabinets with everything built inside. I don't think the equipment was particularly good, but man it was a beautiful piece of furniture. I remember visiting her in Newark, DE when I was 16 or 17 and bringing a Country Joe & The Fish record back to her house that I had found at a record store near the University of Delaware and playing it on her record cabinet. It sounded remarkable simply because it was probably the first and only time something other than Lawrence Welk had graced the TT inside the lovely cabinet! 
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Back in the day, I used to have monthly house subscriptions to Stereophile, Stereo Review, The Absolute Sound. I was always blown away at what folks would spend on a hobby. The numbers I saw in 1983 are paltry compared to what's out there now. I used to have a subscription to DISCoveries and Goldmine record collecting magazines. I once put a couple ads in the back of DISCoveries looking for particular records and got loads of replies. This was pre-internet when searching for a record one had read about, but never seen really could be a very long hunt. That said, I only recently found an original record that I have been looking for since I was 16! I was at the right place at the right time and it was the right price too. Meant to be.
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I have to have auto stop or auto return. Manual turntables drive me nuts.
I wound up selling off a pro-nectar turntable just because of that.
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I have to have auto stop or auto return. Manual turntables drive me nuts. Philistine. All that machinery your rig uses to pick up the tonearm/shut down the function? Yeah- all of that junk stands between you and that sweet, sweet Musical Truth. The eternal trade-off of deep stereo listening has been this: 'convenience v. immersion.' 6-disc CD changer will power a party all night, but a dedicated CD changer/DAC combo will get you closer to the music. The ultimate listening experience is the concert hall. Absent that as a daily option, the goal of any audio system is to provide the closest facsimile to the live experience as is possible. And that means streamlining the signal chain. Fewer parts = cleaner sound. Cleaner circuitry = cleaner sound. mmmph, mmmmph, mmmmph. I love lifting my stylus from the runout groove at the end of Side One. It's a dexterity test, every time. The goal: to lift the stylus from the groove so cleanly that there is no audible 'thunk' from the speakers when the stylus leaves the groove... just a flat cessation of sound from the system. Vinyl is a 'Zen experience' thang: mind/body/spirit
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I have to have auto stop or auto return. Manual turntables drive me nuts.
What model Thorens do you have because my 160 is manual, but my son's 145 is auto stop.
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I thought this thread was about CD’s?  I just unloaded about half my remaining CD collection. All I have left of my once nearly 800 CDs is maybe just 75. Most of these are small, unknown, bands that I saw in clubs and purchased their CDs from their merch table. Basically irreplaceable. I also kept my entire Grateful Dead and Widespread Panic collections. It’s weird not having a wall of shelves for CDs anymore. Progress I guess.
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I have to have auto stop or auto return. Manual turntables drive me nuts. Philistine. All that machinery your rig uses to pick up the tonearm/shut down the function? Yeah- all of that junk stands between you and that sweet, sweet Musical Truth. The eternal trade-off of deep stereo listening has been this: 'convenience v. immersion.' 6-disc CD changer will power a party all night, but a dedicated CD changer/DAC combo will get you closer to the music. The ultimate listening experience is the concert hall. Absent that as a daily option, the goal of any audio system is to provide the closest facsimile to the live experience as is possible. And that means streamlining the signal chain. Fewer parts = cleaner sound. Cleaner circuitry = cleaner sound. mmmph, mmmmph, mmmmph. I love lifting my stylus from the runout groove at the end of Side One. It's a dexterity test, every time. The goal: to lift the stylus from the groove so cleanly that there is no audible 'thunk' from the speakers when the stylus leaves the groove... just a flat cessation of sound from the system. Vinyl is a 'Zen experience' thang: mind/body/spirit Nope.... the mechanism for lifting is totally separate....The Thorens is auto stop... basically a sensor and solenoid that lifts and turns of the switch. Does not affect music quality, no more tha a cue.. You have your Zen, I have mine. I hated the anticipation of having to jump up from my seat to lift the tone arm off..you are supposed to be listening not planning your next move. I cannot immerse without it....
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It all depends on what you enjoy or get out of the listening experience. Music for me is as much about the tactile or physical experience as it is the music itself. Whether it be a record or being in a small bar and standing at the front seeing them live, watching the guitarist use their various pedals, the drummer keeping time, the band interacting with the audience and hearing the live rendition of a tune compared to its more polished studio version is all part of it. I also love a used record store, finding a record/s, bringing it home, cleaning it, putting it on and then sitting down holding the sleeve and looking/reading it while listening is great fun. I have loved doing that since I was 7-8 and sitting in my room with my Kiss albums, looking at all the photos, unfolding the posters etc. while playing the record. My imagination would run wild. I also clearly remember being obsessed with the FM 'Rumours' album as a kid simply because of the photos of Stevie Nicks inside the album insert and on the back cover. Couple that with the music, her gorgeous voice and I was hooked. It's all part of the listening experience that I love. Plus, I am definitely in the camp that LPs sound better than CDs, MP3s or even Flac.
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I have CDs, almost exclusively.
I also love taking out the inserts (when a band has them) and reading the credits, lyrics, and dedications.
I have had a lot of songs where I said, "Wow, he(or she) wrote that song?
I also love live concerts, though it's been years since I have been able to go see one. There is an energy in live performances that can take a great song to even greater heights. I don't want to see a band or singer lip syncing ... I want them playing live. Sometimes a mistake, or the band playing a well known song just a little bit differently, can be really cool. I also love bands who actually interact with the audience. A lot. I go to concerts to hear the songs I love, but also to be entertained.
As far as LP vs other mediums, I couldn't say. The last record player I had was as a kid. It was in its own little case, and had a tiny little speaker. lol My best friend's parents had a great stereo setup, and a great record collection, and they sounded great, but that was in the days of 8 tracks, so it's harder to compare.
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In the 70s and 80s, it was fun to buy -or receive as a present - a new vinyl album, then unwrap it, read the liner notes & lyrics as you were hammerin' the tunes for the first time.
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