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My question is, if this had been a student athlete, would he have been obligated to do something about it?

If so, how can the coaches on the team not be held to the same standard that we're holding the players to?

does anybody know this answer: who did this woman go to first, the police of the coaches' wives in a text message?

I don't quite understand the timeline and/or the police involvement

The police....he was arrested back in 2009!

I see nothing here but the court of public opinion on why Urban should get canned. Fire the coach who did it, sure but cmon, we are now trying to fire men for the actions of other men?


Unless it's some broad sweeping cover up like Penn State, firing Meyer would be a mistake.

It's in his contract that he has to report any and all domestic violence even if an arrest didn't happen. That is what will probably bring him down. It seems in 2009 at Florida he did so but in 2015 when he learned about this he didn't, and then lied about it last week.

It's the title nine stuff. This contract requires him to report any knowledge of suspected domestic violence and he didn't. Then the fact that he lied about last week.

What is the punishment for violation? Is it stated?

Yes. I think this will be the main issue as to whether is stays or goes.

Maybe I'm missing something but why would he have to report something that the police already know about?

I don't believe it says any particular punishment but does list he can be fired with cause. The issue would be if there's a violation of Title 9 there could be an NCAA investigation as well.

yes, I meant the incident in 2015

The police already know, the university already knows, but Urban is the fall guy for not "reporting it"?

Sounds like a witch hunt to me. This is going to end up like Carlos Hyde....suspended indefinitely, may get suspended for a few cupcakes.....

Violating a title 9 is one of those "Can include up to termination" things. Which means if they really want to and it's well deserved they can. Does OSU really WANT to fire Meyer over this? Seems highly unlikely.

He's supposed to report it to the University Title 9 office as well. I agree that's not the best system around but it is required.

I hate to post this at the risk of sounding insensitive, so let me preface by saying I know its hard for people to walk away from abusive relationships. However, choosing NOT to walk away doesn't give you the right to blame others for your decision - its absurd! It's one thing to be scared when children may be displaced, homes may be lost, there is no place to run, etc... Courtney Smith said openly that she did not want to report to the police for fear her husband would lose his job... but thinks the ball should be in Meyer's court?? Wouldn't the result be the same??

Headlines on BSPN right now:

As society has evolved, Urban Meyer hasn't

Urban Meyer's legacy at the crossroads

Rutledge credits Courtney Smith for her bravery

You would think it was Meyer himself that beat her up and threatened her life if she told anyone. Where are the articles about how despicable her husband is? Does anyone even know the history of abuse? Does anyone care? NO - it's all about Urban Meyer and what a terrible human he is... because he didn't report what everyone else knew! Wow.

I think those that use "society" and "evolve" in the same sentence are the true perps here lol.

U lay in bed with a snake and your going to get bitten ...

OSU hired a snake to replace a snake ...

If he gets fired over this theres sumptin else going on ... this does not seem to be a firable offense ...

I think it's simple in that Smith should be in jail if he did what it appears he did. Everyone pretty much agrees on that.

The controversy is what should happen to Meyer, and obviously he is the bigger name, so it'll draw more news.

Punish Meyer if what you are trying to discipline is failing to report and come forward, but do not fire him. Use Jim Jordan as well. We only got moral when we got called on stuff.

Not everybody needs fired for any conceivable offense. I don't condone what happened, but discipline is about changing behavior. Didn't like what went on with Joe-Pa. Punish the wrongdoer.

I like Urban and I think this is a BS witch hunt that is being fueled by liberal whiners who want to bring him down.

I hope they fire him.

Yes, called the police during the 2015 incident as well. I don't believe he was arrested for that incident, however, but I could be wrong about that.

So far, I don't like any of the characters in this sub-urbanite play. This sounds like a personal issue between her and her ex-husband. She's brought in the authorities, so this is all known to people and I get the feeling she'd let anyone know who's willing to listen. I fail to understand at this point, even though she feels differently, that any of this is the responsibility of OSU, Meyer or his wife.

Don't you know? EVERYTHING is ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Here is the recently added language to the contract Urban Meyer signed in April....





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It very well may be a witch hunt ... no clue ... it appears if they get him for this they wanted him gone and this is what they decided to hang there hat on ... at this point it REEKS of BS ...

My guess is he will be cleared and nuttin will happen to him ... i think they had to suspend him til it gets sorted out ...

If u like Urban U must not know a lot about him ... he’s a SCUMBAG ... the things he did at Fla. were criminal ... he was the bottom of the barrel of the worst barrel in college football ... the SEC is the cess pool of football recruiting ...

If u know the things he did at Fla. and still like him ... i’m shocked ...

Why?

Because I have a problem with women beaters, and I have a problem with people who knowingly hire women beaters, then act like they don’t know what’s going on when asked about it.

I also look at precedent. People in a position to hire/fire, a position of authority, can’t play stupid anymore about what their employees are doing. It would be pretty dishonest for anybody to claim urban didn’t know about this, just look at what was going on under his watch in Florida. Look at the people at Michigan state and penn state who got fired for knowing but not reporting. Look at the Olympic situation. It just can’t be tolerated anymore, I don’t care how great the coach is or how prestigious the football program.

If Jim Tressel had to resign over some dumbass kids trading memorabilia for tatts, then this particular incident is certainly worthy of a coach losing his job over hiring a woman beater.

That’s just my opinion. I wouldn’t want my kid learning from a woman beater. And I damn sure wouldn’t want my kid learning under a guy that hire him knowing that happened. It sends a very wrong message. Just like I wouldn’t want my daughters training under an AD that did nothing about a team doctor sexually assaulting student athletes. What does that say about me as a parent?

I understand certain people will say their typical “liberal agenda”and witch hunt comments. But that’s just how I feel. I hate domestic violence, and I dislike enablers. Cause if you don’t do anything despite knowing about it, you’re enabling. Again, that’s just my opinion.

Would urban had kept the guy employed if that was his daughter the coach beat?

I agree w/you on the witch hunt, but I don't think the university wants him gone. They have to answer to all the whiners who know more about the situation than they do, even though they live hundreds or thousands of miles away.

I disagree w/you on him being a scum bag. The dude teaches a ton of life lessons and his players have a lot of respect for what he's done for them.

If the character/behavior issues hold true, I think her own actions incriminate herself a little bit too

Seems like the university was well aware prior to this recent news

USA Today already speculating who is replacing Urban. Article about bob stoops possibly replacing urban or even tom Herman... I think urban survives this... we'll see.....

No way should he be fired. It's wrong to convict people w/out knowing all of the facts and/or a trial.

What did he do in Fla?

Is there going to be a trial in this case?

In this day and age, I honestly struggle to understand what makes a person stay with someone who abuses her/him and/or the kids...

Specially don't understand when they blame others....


And I'm a liberal....

I'll let It play out. Maybe he should be fired. Maybe he shouldn't.

I'm kind of surprised the AD's name hasn't come up. With police involvement, how would he not have known?

Seems like a pretty jacked up situation all around. Lots of he said, she said.

looking for the part where seeing a wife's claim to have been hit fit in the definitions up there, and I don't see it.

(I haven't followed the news story completely but what I saw, it's something like the wife claimed the husband (punched, we know it's not a punch but a claim of violence but for the purpose of not defining it as an act on the rape spectrum, but rather on the violence spectrum; i'll use the word punch.)

The Reprehensibleness of the Dude ,(under coach), aside, I'm trying to see where the above white paragraphs put any culpuableness / guilt on Urban for a requirement to report anything.

And I'm saying that
1. Sense the 2 were married, not strangers, this isn't stalking, this isn't some case of a man pulls a woman off the streets into an alley.

2. sense it's on the (punch spectrum of violence) ( which i'll say sounds much worse than that but again I use that word to differentiate "violence" from "sexual violence" .) ...
and not the (rape spectrum of sexual assault), that the definituion of the word "assault" doesn't apply from the above 3 white paragraphs.

3. It's a judgement call, and anyone could find themselves in Urban's position and the occurance of ...
well the occurance of victims in this type of position of using an accusation as a weapon toward someone they are at odds/hate with is not nonexistent.
(Duke Lacrosse case)

Not Saying It's The Case Here! Or Even That it's how allegations should be responded to, just saying that the fact they do exist ( false accusations as a weapon) ... should not be thrown out.

So we're saying Urban has to have ultimate knowledge of everything that goes on all over, (omnipotent knowledge) and ability to discern who's telling the truth or not and

and if not then Urbans a villlian and has to be fired because ... (well my feelings on the PC crowd not wantint to live in a real world aren't really relavant.)

(And my suspicion that the real problem is a team from Ohio that wins "on a national level" is the most D-word unpardonable Sin, in the eyes of the NY, and LA, crowd which only want Ohio, and Ohio sports specifically to sink into a hole of irrelevance because of their own snobbery and arrogance, ... as evidenced by how Ohio sports teams have been covered by the Natl media for decades... is also irrelevant.)

My Point is the stuff in the White paragraphs above doesn't apply because being married, and the abuse was not of a sexual nature,
therefore they don't fit into the word definition.

2!! Would doing the Oppisite of what Urban did do...
Would that have been unrighteously butting in to another persons home life getting involved in someone elses marriage dispute?

At what judgement point, There is a subjective point where the right-ness of "butting in" becomes "necessary" based on evidence

BUT I'M SAYING IT'S AN EXPLETIVE SUBJECTIVE POINT!

Urban's a football coach, Not God!

AND!! I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED THE FULL STORY, SO I DON'T KNOW YET,
I don't know yet what evidence was allegedly right in front of Urbans face.

If I'm Urban I assume that if the abuse is not enough for the wife to leave him, then its not enough for me to fire him.

If the wife leaves him on account of abuse, then Urban has to either fire/suspend the guy or force him to take treatment, he's a coach in a school after all, not just a football coach

This is her (the wife) problem, she called the police. That's what she's supposed to do. If the coach gets arrested, suspend him, if he gets convicted, fire him. Aren't we still presumed innocent until proven guilty? The employer should take no action until the truth is determined.

Agreed. Also, his wife is a nurse - whom has responsibility to report that abuse as well. I don't think she goes unscathed either.

J/C

Honestly, how about instead of trying to find a way Urban is not at fault, we realize that the dude knew one of his coaches was beating a women, and he did nothing about it. If this is try hes a POS and should not be leading young men and held as a shining role model.

sheesh, you people care more about football game than you do the fact a women was getting beaten by her husband, and not one MAN stood up to stop it.