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I remember the same thing and I also remember that Dorsey has been Quinn's newest best bud and the biggest help to him.
Which is why I'm ok with him being on the roster. Being the 3rd QB Dorsey is going to be spending a lot of time with Quinn on the side-lines and will be in his ear pointing out things in the NFL... I know Qunn is a very experienced QB... but I think Dorsey is better suited to help him along than Charlie or Anderson
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What Tony is saying is that Dorsey is going to take the role of 'vet' to mentor Quinn... that way the Browns don't have to go sign a vet. Anderson will probably be cut with Frye to start the season, Quinn to take over half way through, and Dorsey will be the mentor/second QB coach.
thats how i took it
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I could see Dorsey being around for a longtime. I remember Dorsey being the first to talk to Quinn after the draft too, shows great off-the-field leadership. If he's ready to help Brady get suited for the NFL, he's earned a spot on the team IMHO.
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I have to ask myself, "Do we really want Ken Dorsey being the mentor to our future franchise QB?"
I'm not saying Dorsey doesn't know what he's talking about. He's intelligent. We all know that. But I think Quinn would benefit more from a QB who's not only intelligent, but one who has been able to transfer some of that intelligence into results on the field.
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I have to ask myself, "Do we really want Ken Dorsey being the mentor to our future franchise QB?"
I'm not saying Dorsey doesn't know what he's talking about. He's intelligent. We all know that. But I think Quinn would benefit more from a QB who's not only intelligent, but one who has been able to transfer some of that intelligence into results on the field.
Thank you, thank you thank you!!!! If intelligence was all it took, why not hire Bernie as 3rd string qb? Everyone that supports Dorsey lists his intelligence as the main factor for his being on the team........Bernie out intelligences Dorsey any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
Here's a better idea: if Dorsey is so smart (although he's proven he can't play), why not cut him and offer him a q.b. coaching assistant job? Then we can keep him, he can stand by Quinn on the sideline of every practice and every game and tell him exactly what he would tell him if he had a uniform on.
"keep Dorsey cause he's smart" - that's just backward thinking in my opinion. How many third string linebackers, or running backs, or safety's, or corners or anything do we keep because "they are smart" but can't actually play?
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keep Dorsey cause he's smart" - that's just backward thinking in my opinion. How many third string linebackers, or running backs, or safety's, or corners or anything do we keep because "they are smart" but can't actually play?
So you would keep Anderson, a guy that is not smart and is not a good player over a guy with starting experience and a good football mind? 
Anderson sucks, and until; people realize this, the arguements will continue. He has very little experience, and in that time showed he's not the smartest QB around.
Dorsey knows how to play the position, but is just not blessed with the tools to succeed. Many 3rd string QBs, remember 3RD STRING is the key here, are not good players. Where Dorsey is an asset is that he is a very smart player, just not a good athelete.
Ask yourself this, would you really want Anderson mentoring Quinn? Or even Frye?
Dorsey would probably never see the field as the 3rd QB, but he would be there helping Quinn and Frye understand things and help in the film room.
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I didn't quote your post, as it would just take up space. Do I want Anderson "mentoring" anyone? No. But, as you so eloquently stated, a 3rd string q.b. is not expected to see the field. So, why keep Dorsey as an active player? Maybe put him on the practice squad - maybe give him a "coaching" job if his "mentoring" is so important. I think you and I feel similarly about the q.b. position. My post was mainly about "why keep someone that is not expected to see the field" - why keep them as an active roster player, when all we want out of him is his "smarts" (as if he has alot - sorry - there are a lot of "smart" ex q.b.'s and smart active q.b.'s that we could bring in that have actually done it ON the field). I have nothing for Dorsey, nor against Dorsey. I just get tired of the " we need him for his smarts and mentoring" thing. He may be smart, but he can't do it on the field. So, if you want a "smart" mentor/coach, why not bring in someone that has actually been on the field and done it? What you are saying is "let's keep a guy on the active roster that stinks, but he knows he stinks, and he can tell others what to do". If you were training to be a bomb squad member, would you want your trainer to be a guy that knows everything and can tell you exactly what to do? Yup. Would you prefer that guy had never actually defused a bomb in his life - one that only "knows" how to do it? Or would you prefer a guy that has been in the field and has personally deactivated many, many bombs? Why keep a guy that only "knows" it, but can't do it? The world is full of them. Why keep him on the 53 man roster, thereby disallowing a backup lineman, or linebacker, or whatever from making the team? And by the way - honestly, I do think Dorsey stays - and at this point in time, Anderson goes. I just don't like the "dorsey stays cause he's so smart" thing. Probably doesn't make sense to anyone but me........
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Again guys, this isn't Madden, it's real football. Check out most of the third QB's in this league and you'll see a common thread among them. Not the most talented guys in the world, but system guys who understand the team's system. Anderson is not that. Heck, if not for Frye getting hurt in the KC game, Anderson is an afterthought on this team, and he'd be fighting Dorsey, not Frye, for a job.
Anderson is a guy with a lot of physical ability, but he's supposedly very lax on film. He was a late round pick who was cut by his drafting team. He has a big arm and a physical specimen, but he's not in college or the pro's thrown more TD's than INT's. On a team with a settled QB situation, he's a developmental 3rd QB.
Dorsey is a guy who knows the system that the Browns play in, but he's a player coach, basically. He's had more meaningful starts in the NFL than Anderson. Dorsey has a strong relationship with Quinn, plus him and K2 are close friends, and by all accounts, he keeps Winslow in check a lot. On a team with an unsettled QB situation, he's the perfect backup.
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Well Arch,take it for what it's worth because they're "stats" but I also watched the game.
Dorsey was 6-9 and did a pretty effective job of actually "running" the offense.
DA was 7-16 and looked terrible. And early in the game when we were playing against KC's talent? It was odd,but the playcalling didn't have DA throwing the ball very much. They didn't even really let him throw the ball accept a few times untill the scrubs for KC came in. Wonnder why that was that Frye had a lot of pass plays and DA had so few untill mop up time?
In actuality,IMO Dorsey was the better of the two. And if you look at DA's turnovers when he DID start,I guess there's not much of anything good to say there as well.
DA may have an arm for the long ball,but that doesn't help much if the oposing team are the ones catching the ball. And he showed ZERO touch on his short passes.
If last night was any indication,not only would I choose Dorsey over DA as a mentor to Quinn,but he's be a much safer bet in a 3rd string emergency situation than DA as well. I see it as a win'win for keeping Dorsey hands down in both departments.
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And overall, I agree with every thing you said! how you like them apples? If K.D. is better than Anderson, keep him. However, just as you state that D.A. wasn't throwing until the scrubs came in, neither was Dorsey. I'll say this - preseason games are better for evaluating talent than practices are, but Dorsey wasn't playing against a starting D. My whole point is, why do we need to keep a guy that has "smarts", but can'tdo it against on the field? Dorsey was playing against guys that are hoping to make the team...........not even second stringers.........guys hoping to make the team! I really don't care who stays at q.b. and who goes. I just don't like the "he's smart, so keep him" thing. If you can't do it on the field, I just don't see you being able to "mentor". Just my opinion.
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I'm not too sure how I would side with "the smarts only" theory. I might still decide to invest that roster spot to help develop Quinn. In the big picture,he is the future franchise QB in the making (we all hope) I do believe the FO considers his development critical to this teams success. But the thing is,I do understand what you're saying about "playing against scrubs". But Dorsey also only had scrubs to work with. The point I'm trying to make here is from what I saw,Dorsey is a "safer bet" at not "throwing a game away" and I don't really see much of an actual talent drop off from DA to Dorsey. So IMO,we get about the same thing in the QB play portion from both AND Dorsey has the smarts to help mentor Quinn to boot. That's why IMO Dorsey should get the edge. But we'll see. On a side note...................  If Dorsey beats out DA as #3 and DA gets cut? Care to flip a coin on what I'd say to that?
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IMO the meaning of that is Dorsey IS the vet on the team, and Anderson will be cut if Frye beats him out (which he seemed to do last night), leaving Dorsey as the veteran for the guys to look up to, learn from, and fall back on.
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After Sat nite's performance, I can't see us keeping Anderson.
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My whole point is, why do we need to keep a guy that has "smarts", but can'tdo it against on the field? Dorsey was playing against guys that are hoping to make the team...........not even second stringers.........guys hoping to make the team!
Ok, how about this... Dorsey and Anderson are interchangable on the field, plus, Dorsey is smart...  I mean they have completely different skill sets, but as far as effectiveness, I see no great advantage to Anderson over Dorsey.... so if you are going to have a 3rd string QB who isn't likely to win you any games anyway, why not have him contribute somehow? Like mentoring the young-uns...
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I'm not convinced that a "mentor" is all that important for the development of a young QB. It's time in the saddle that really counts. Frye will be the starter and Quinn isn't going anywhere. That leaves Dorsey and Anderson to fight it out for # 3. One or the other being cut would hardly qualify as a major roster move.
BTW why would anyone trade for DA or Dorsey when they can get them or someone of equal or better value off waivers in 4 weeks?
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all QB's dont need mentors... some coaches (and also fans) are just caught up in that saying it will make the QB that much better...
well ask Vince Young.. or is he an exception because of his physical talent?
Frye is no different... He can do it with the QB cast he has now... WE DONT NEED AN OLD VET...
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This is a no-brainer to me... Quinn/Frye/Dorsey... U want that 3rd QB holding a clipboard and grabbing the shots sent down from the booth...Studying them to go over it with the #1...I sure as hell don't want Anderson giving Frye and Quinn any pointers...The dude doesn't know what he's looking at himself... Dorsey makes sense here...And we're gonna need to re-sign em' also after this year... I'm completely satisfied and a bit elated thinking about Quinn as the #1 with Frye at #2 with Dorsey at 3 come 2008 and beyond... Quote:
I'm not too sure how I would side with "the smarts only" theory. I might still decide to invest that roster spot to help develop Quinn. In the big picture,he is the future franchise QB in the making (we all hope) I do believe the FO considers his development critical to this teams success.
But the thing is,I do understand what you're saying about "playing against scrubs". But Dorsey also only had scrubs to work with.
The point I'm trying to make here is from what I saw,Dorsey is a "safer bet" at not "throwing a game away" and I don't really see much of an actual talent drop off from DA to Dorsey.
So IMO,we get about the same thing in the QB play portion from both AND Dorsey has the smarts to help mentor Quinn to boot.
That's why IMO Dorsey should get the edge. But we'll see.
On a side note...................
If Dorsey beats out DA as #3 and DA gets cut? Care to flip a coin on what I'd say to that?
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I'm wondering if the whole coinflip thing wasn't just Romeo's way of saying "makes no difference, neither of these guys is the answer - long term or short term.".
My take, the whole coin flip thing was a message to Frye and Anderson telling them that neither of them are impressing RAC and he mine as well flip a coin.
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I'm not convinced that a "mentor" is all that important for the development of a young QB. It's time in the saddle that really counts.
You know,that's like saying you're not convinced that taking English in school and having a good teacher is important. It's speaking the language that really counts.
Can you imagine how much longer it would take you to learn the language and increase your vocabulary and undertsanding of the language without schooling™and teachers?
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I find it rather strange that last year when Dorsey was # 3 people were screaming we needed to cut him and get a Vet, He cant throw, no arm, waste of a roster spot, When we got him in the trade that send Dilfer to SF, people were saying we got screwed, Dorsey & a 7th, Now this year he shows Quinn a little love and people are satisfied with having Dorsey as our 3rd QB..
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My take, the whole coin flip thing was a message to Frye and Anderson telling them that neither of them are impressing RAC and he mine as well flip a coin.
I didn't know you "gave your QB's messages" via press confrence. Must be a new twist.
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I'd say you're a little too obsessed with the coin flip.
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I find it rather strange that last year when Dorsey was # 3 people were screaming we needed to cut him and get a Vet, He cant throw, no arm, waste of a roster spot, When we got him in the trade that send Dilfer to SF, people were saying we got screwed, Dorsey & a 7th, Now this year he shows Quinn a little love and people are satisfied with having Dorsey as our 3rd QB..
I think a few things have changed in a year Clay.
They've seen DA have three starts. (0-3) with how many INT's? The memories of Saturday night are fresh in their heads. While Dorsey doesn't have a cannon,they saw him be efficiant,pretty much mistake free and completing passes.
I think they've learned in the course of a year just how smart Dorsey is and understand how valuable he would be to work with Quinn on the sidelines to help him get a much quicker grasp on this offense and just how much that would add to this team.
Yes,I actually have faith that some people have learned a few things over the past year. Let's hope it's some of the people who truely make a difference in how well this team does on the field too.
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Just keepin it real lamp. Unless you think using the press is the way to communicate with your players?
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I don't think he used a press conference to tell the QBs anything, pit.
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Dorsey looked slightly better than Frye. Frye looked better than Anderson. Dorsey may not be the best physical QB we have, but he made better decisions than the other 2. I would rather have the smarter guy back there who makes fewer mistakes than a guy I'm not sure can tie his shoes without getting confused.
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that's a bad comparison.
Typically ,children have a vocabulary of over 3000 words by age four. They haven't even been in school yet. Quinn has been a starting QB at a major program for four years. He needs PLAYING TIME at the pro level not a nurse maid. Beside, what is Rip Sherer's job, window dressing?
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I agree, I was hoping to express the point how people on here are so quick to judge a player, just from what they think they know or what they hear from the media,
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Quinn has been a starting QB at a major program for four years. He needs PLAYING TIME at the pro level not a nurse maid. Beside, what is Rip Sherer's job, window dressing?
!. NCAA Football? He was in a different system. Not Chuds. Different system,different speed,better competition now. Just because a kid speaks French,doesn't mean he can speak Spanish. Many of the words are similar,yet you still have to learn a new language none the less.
2. Playing time? Speaking a language that you don't understand only serves to further confuse you,as well as frustrate those around you.You must learn to use a language before trying to communicate with others who are fluent in it.
3. Nurse Maid? Do you listen to teachers and learn from them as much as you do your piers? Most understand this concept. One is your boss while the other is your equal. Apples and oranges. Unless of course you feel the "most proven method" in the NFL is purely foolish. And you'll have people who seem to think that from time to time.
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I can't believe that Anderson possibly getting cut is big news to anyone except for those that ate up the media reports that "he's the starter" after OTAs - I've been telling my buddies ever since OTAs opened that Anderson doesn't fit. The guy has an arm. The end. He has NO touch on passes, has poor accuracy, is very immobile despite his big run last year, and doesn't appear to have football smarts. If an arm was the only thing that mattered in the league, Spurgeon Wynn would have a starting job. Anderson serves absolutely no purpose if he's not starting.
We didn't draft Brady Quinn to be a 3rd stringer. He SHOULD back up the starter until he's ready. As much as Charlie Frye may never be a good starter in the league, he's still serviceable and should end up being a good backup in the league. He's scrappy, tough and competitive, which is good to have coming off the bench... and he's better than Anderson.
The third string QB on the team doesn't need to be the one who can play the best when starting... because it'll rarely happen - he needs to be the guy who provides the most to the team while on the bench since he'll likely be there all year. That's Dorsey, and it's not even close. Not only did he develop a fast friendship with Brady (great move on his part), he has more NFL smarts than any other QB on the roster, knows the offense very well, and was Chud's quarterback during his coordinator days in Miami. Game over DA.
Why would we want to keep Dorsey over Anderson if all Dorsey provides is a mentor for Quinn? (by the way, I highly doubt Dorsey would accept retirement to join the coaching staff; if we want him, we roster him) Easy. If we keep Anderson, we're planning to have insurance in case BOTH Frye and Quinn go down. Not sure why we'd plan for that angle because after losing both Frye and Quinn, we may as well ask Ryan Leaf to reconsider retirement because we're screwed. If we keep Dorsey, we're planning on preparing Quinn for the big time. The second scenario is where we're at and where we should be.
Going forward with Frye/Quinn/Dorsey, we can use Frye as starter (with a two way split of practice reps) until Quinn is ready and accelerate Quinn's development by keeping Dorsey around as mentor, up until it shifts to go Quinn/Frye/Dorsey (which will end up being rock solid). That's much better than Frye/Anderson/Quinn, where DA keeps taking valuable reps away from the other two quarterbacks (because Romeo would rather flip coins that do what needs to be done) and we have a three-way QB controversy all year round.
All of this is JMHO of course, but cutting Anderson makes perfect sense.
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Quinn has been a starting QB at a major program for four years. He needs PLAYING TIME at the pro level not a nurse maid. Beside, what is Rip Sherer's job, window dressing?
!. NCAA Football? He was in a different system. Not Chuds. Different system,different speed,better competition now. Just because a kid speaks French,doesn't mean he can speak Spanish. Many of the words are similar,yet you still have to learn a new language none the less.
2. Playing time? Speaking a language that you don't understand only serves to further confuse you,as well as frustrate those around you.You must learn to use a language before trying to communicate with others who are fluent in it.
3. Nurse Maid? Do you listen to teachers and learn from them as much as you do your piers? Most understand this concept. One is your boss while the other is your equal. Apples and oranges. Unless of course you feel the "most proven method" in the NFL is purely foolish. And you'll have people who seem to think that from time to time.
What I'm trying to say is that having Dorsey, or any other non-functional QB, as a mentor is way over- rated. Sorry if I wasn't clear. 
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that non-functional QB out-played the heck outta Derek Anderson on Saturday.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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that non-functional QB out-played the heck outta Derek Anderson on Saturday.
That's what I don't understand PPE................
Did these guys "watch the game"???
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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that non-functional QB out-played the heck outta Derek Anderson on Saturday.
That's what I don't understand PPE................
Did these guys "watch the game"???
I agree with both of you on this fact. I just think Dorsey should be given a legit shot, IF Frye keeps making dumb mistakes. His passing DID look improved as did his ability to find his receivers. Honestly, the only 3 parts of the game that mattered to me were the Barclay KR for the TD, Braylon's block on that LB on Cribbs' reverse and Braylon's slant across the middle.
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