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Finally watched the episode....

- Landry stole the episode. I loved everything he was in EXCEPT the speech. I wasn't impressed. That said, seems like an offensive leader and guys gravitate towards him.

- Sucks about Hue's family issues and kinda wish the episode focused less on that and let Hue grieve more privately.

- The Nassib segments were awesome. I hope HBO does a few " Nassib Know-Hows /Personal Development 101"s each episode.

- Tyrod seems like a genuine nice guy that wants to succeed. I'm rooting for him. Loved the 5-year old kid getting hyped about going to his birthday party.

- Something about Dorsey just rubs me the wrong way. Not sure what it is, but comes across a little slimy, disingenuious. But whatever, if he drafts well for us, so be it. Be as slimy as you want.

- That Haley look over to Williams was just as funny watching the episode as it was the clip/gif on twitter. Not sure if parts were edited if it was from the same flow of back-n-forth, #FireHueToday.

- Love that they added more stadium seating at TC. Smart move.

- I'm not a fan of Hard Knocks but enjoyed this episode. I like how they didn't focus that much on the fans like the trailers had suggested.

I can't stay up to 10, I get up at 4:30 to walk 5 miles every morning.....just watched tonight on demand.


Watched with my son and Wife


It is evident to me Hues assistants aren't behind him. You could see it in the Hue talking to Haley segment.


My wife knows nothing about the dynamics of the Browns or this board.....her comment after Haley thought guys should work more and Hue said what he said, were that Hue was a weak man. She said he seems fake. She said she doesn't like him.

No wonder I married that woman.


If she sees it.....geez, but then again, she has been in charge of corporate communications for 20 years....she listens to what people say and how they say it

A woman's intuition is never wrong.

#FireHueToday

No, not today.


None the less, it was a telling segment.....go watch again. You saw a bunch of coaches looking at this guy with raised eyebrows.

I just watched it. I know the segment you're referring to.

you can go into any high level meeting, successful business or not, and find a time when the room look just like that at one point or another.

The very same guys that I predicted to trash Hue are holding true to form. There is no stopping them unless other posters get sick of it and tell them to cut it out.

We actually had a good conversation going on. People were just posting thoughts on the episode, but then Memphis showed up. Ever since then, this thread went to crap and peen's post is more evidence of the crap.

For how old school some of those guys are, you could confuse that with a group hug. I do think they're disagreeing heavily, but I also think they're emotionally going easy on Hue. I think they'll work together well this year. I thin there might be some more give and take as the season goes along.

Serious question. Can anyone tell me where i can get 10% interest for the next 7 years?


Man that was a dull episode. Cubb was treated like **** but the cameras never went back to him? 4 days of footage and the RB group showed nothing? Where was the footage of Calloway and higgens tearing it up? Although I guess there will be a lot more football footage next week.

I imagine Hue's losses had a lot to do with the episode's content. Condolances to the man but I honestly thought Haley was gona rip him a new one. I will honestly be surprised if he lasts the season. He appears soft imo.

"Bless em"??? Child please. Landry was so forced for the cameras. In saying that his attitude off season has been spot on that the lad can do what he wants.

Also.... hello from Ireland, Go Browns!

Just call it my manly intuition.. but I get the feeling that NOTHING anyone says on this message board will get Hue Jackson fired. If Dorsey is listening to ANY of us.. we picked the wrong guy for GM.

IMO feel free to defend or trash

Good post.

I think Haley and the RB coach were pissed. I think Hue handled their objections well. He didn't get emotional. He just told them it's his team.

Haley got a little mad. He's a combative dude who's been in several bar fights and rubs people the wrong way. It's not surprising he got upset. I don't even blame him. But, that doesn't make Hue an ass like some are trying to pound into our head.

And I am going to reiterate. I was a coach. That little exchange was NOTHING. We used to pound tables, scream, cuss each other out, and sometimes we even got physical. It's freaking football. Not tea and biscuits.

That leads me to another thing. Landry is taking some heat in the media for his speech in the WR meeting. Are you kidding me? That is exactly what this team needs! I loved what he did. He called those guys out. They needed called out because that unit sucked ass last year. Landry had a scheduled day off, but he didn't take it. Dude is setting a good example, and some dudes who never played the game are saying it's a bad thing? Pffffttttt...

I would take a dozen Jarvis Landrys on my team. Any time. Anywhere!

That's a good point, Saint. However, public pressure from the media and the fans has led to Jimmy firing other personnel. One must remember that it is a business.

Jarvis has been a breath of fresh air this off season. The one thing I would say is its what, day 2/3? The speech shouldn't be needed on day 2 or 3. Either he's forcing it for the camera or we are in for a lot of pain this season.

Since I'm opening it up to the entire forum this year, I'll come clean. For the past few years me and a few other posters have been pooling our money and sending a homeless person to camp outside of Jimmy's mansion with a boom box playing our ideas like that John Cusack movie. You can thank Vers, and his very charitable donation he made last year, for the reason why we still have Hue.

I see your point and I am not saying you are wrong.

I see it a different way.

When Haslam and Sashi made the plan to blow-up the team, they knew they would lose a ton of games. They wanted to acquire a lot of draft picks and get younger. That's cool. However, there were flaws w/the plan.

I continually spoke of the biggest flaw in the plan, which was that so much losing is very tough on the players, the staff, the FO, ownership, and the fans. The media might love it, though. LOL

I am thinking about starting a thread on this because the biggest take-away for me during that segment was that our team doesn't know how to win. They're soft.

That has to change. Sitting out of practices when you can play is exactly what Jarvis said it was..........."contagious." I played and coached. You don't want guys that are willing to quit when things get tough.

We lost some games that we perhaps could have won last year. We were not tough enough to overcome the obstacles. I will readily admit that our poor qb play and terrible WR unit.....and secondary.........had a ton to do w/it........but damn it, we were in position to win some games.

We have to get tougher. I watched the expressions on the faces of the players while Juice was making his plays. They were like "Wow, we haven't seen this before." So, when that man speaks............you best listen. And if you don't.......your ass needs to be gone.

I am not saying you have to agree w/me. It's just a different point of view.

And welcome, btw.

Vers,
To me, what Hue and Haley showed was the difference between someone who is just looking at the small pie vs the entire pie. Yes, Haley and the RB coach was more, but Hue was right to remind them that you don't want them busted up to the point you are losing players for weeks. And yes, when you are the head guy, you get to make the decisions. PERIOD!!.. but he was not rough on them at all, just let them know how it was going to be but told them it was OK to raise questions and make comments... Just like in every other job

Assistant Coaches are paid to coach a unit. The Head Coach is paid to coach the entire team, and also to balance the health and well being of the players against the need to practice hard. You have a guy who is dead tired, especially in this heat, who is lost for the year to an injury, and it's not the coordinator who is answering questions as to why it happened.

One day off every couple of weeks is not going to hurt the team, or players. It also gives the coaches an opportunity to see other players in different roles. Landry gets part of a day off, for example, and Higgins moves up to one of the starting spots. A different WR gets to work with Mayfield. It's a chain reaction. The coaches get to see different guys in different roles. It can be important.

Good response.

I totally understood where Haley and the RB coach were coming from. I've been there. LOL

However, I thought Hue handled it well. He didn't bash them. He welcomed their opinions, but he also explained why he was doing what he was doing and said he was in that chair to make these kinds of decisions. Haley's a hot head. No big deal. I expected him to get mad/disgusted. Hue did not let it phase him. He was professional.

Let's look at it from another angle, shall we. Remember last year when Myles had ankle issues and Hue was criticized for bringing him back too early.

Which is it, fellas? Give them rest or make them play? Or, is it just bash Hue any chance we get?

I remember when I was coaching and we had guys wanting to sit out all the time. Especially during conditioning. They'd say stuff like: "Coach, I hurt my ankle. I can't run."

When I was younger, it used to irritate me because I knew the ones were dogging it. However, another coach got sued. He told a player to run. The case went to court and the kid's lawyer started asking about if the coach had a medical degree. He pulled up a chart and asked the coach to name each bone in the entire foot. He made the coach look like an idiot.

After that, I never made another kid run. But, this is the equalizer......You don't practice, you don't play because I don't want to aggravate your injury.

I know this is getting long, but I'm trying to educate those who are interested. When you are coaching, there is a very fine line between not working your guys hard enough and overworking them. You need them to be well-conditioned and tough. You need them to be prepared. However, the body breaks down after a lot of exertion.

I'm telling you guys that it is really hard to tell how hard to push your team. And when it comes to individual players, it's even harder because they all have different breaking points.

In conclusion, I see Haley and the RBs side. I also see Hue's point of view. I don't think anyone is wrong here. I think it's a tough call and it's wrong to mock anyone for what transpired.

Does anyone really think the Browns have sucked because they haven't had a player speak like Landry during camp/practice/whatever?
First time a Brown has ever tried to fire up his teammates and change things?
Ya, right.
First time we've seen it, tho.

Talk is cheap.

What WILL work tho is Landry PERFORMING, and I have no reason to think he ain't gonna walk the walk too.

Thank you Vambo....appreciate you posting the video.

I tend to agree .. I'm not a huge fan of speeches .. but I do think actions can be a big way to change the culture, especially from our leaders

I think Nassib was trying to communicate it in the simplest of terms for guys who have never been exposed to the concept of interest and investing money. What's more important is that it is clear Hue would never take the time to try to educate the defensive linemen on life issues....he's only focused on the offense. That's why we need to #FireHueToday.

I thought it was almost comical how savings/interest was almost like a WOW moment for some of them in the room. I assumed everyone knew the importance/benefits of investing and/or interest.

I'm not surprised at all. We've all heard the stories of athletes going broke or being taken advantage of by people who claim they can invest their money for them and make millions....only to scam them. It'a a matter of "I don't know what I don't know".

Perfect post.

I didn't agree with Haley's comment when it came to the decision to sit or practice, but the look was still hilarious. Hue has been here for two years, he probably knows the players, their conditioning limits, what parts of their bodies may be more inclined to injury, etc. I believe he even referenced Duke as an example in the episode. At first I was a bit turned off when he gave Myles Garrett a vet day off. I said to myself, "um...this dude is in his second year after an 0-16 season and he gets a rest day? C'mon!" Then after further consideration, Myles dealt with injuries last year that started in camp. As much as coaches want guys on the field now, they want him on the field during the season. If it preserves them and offers longevity, then so be it.

That said, I didn't like how Hue ended his coaches meeting. He should have been the one to lead the yell, not Gregg Williams. Because of that, we need to #FireHueToday.

Because Hue wants to give his ego driven coordinators a chance to be the guy to end a meeting, he needs to be fired?

One thing I have to give to Hue, is he sees big picture. I think little things like letting a coordinator end a meeting is small evidence of that.

Sarcasm is such a lost art that some people can't see it even (especially) when it's staring them in the face ....

j/c:

I want to revisit peen's post where he called Hue "weak" and "fake" after watching the exchange w/Haley.

In the very same episode, Hue had to deal w/the death of his brother and mother. They showed the phone conversation that Hue had w/his sister when she broke the news that their mother had died. He put his head down, smacked it a few times, and sobbed into his hands.

The next scene starts out with "One hour later." Hue is on the field coaching his team. Hard.

I don't think that is weak. I think it is a sign of being resilient. It's a sign of strength. I suppose a certain type of person could suggest he is "fake" by suggesting he didn't really care for his mother, but do any of you really want to go there?

I knew that there would be certain individuals that would nit-pick on Hue's comments and actions in each show and a couple of them showed up..........just like they always do.

Many of these guys have never had to manage money much at all, and assume that the money will now have will roll in forever.

Why does the government send "rebates" to poor people, and low to moderate income people with children, in the form of fully "refundable" EITC and child tax credits? Because they know that many (most) will immediately spend the money.

For all of the abuse that Nassib took for that segment, what he said is valid. I don't know about "saving" money earning 10% ..... but investment funds and such might, with a large enough investment. He was right about every "$10,000" a guy spends now costing him significantly down the road. That's a lesson a lot of people could stand to learn these days.

Have you read Memphis' posts over the past year? He is trying to use sarcasm to belittle me, but the guy has beat Hue to a bloody pulp. And you are going to defend him? Seriously?

I think he was just being sarcastic.

As someone with a great deal of sarcastic .... umm .... wit(?) myself, I thought it was kinda funny, and made fun of the fire Hue mindset.

Thank you. Much appreciated.

I think more people are liking Nassib's segments than abusing him.

I personally did not like it. I am not abusing him, but I didn't care for it because they were at camp. It seems to me you have those conversations after you leave the facility. At someone's house, or an eating establishment. It seemed odd to me to have them in a defensive line meeting room.

I preferred Kirksey's segment, when he asked them to write down what was important to them and view it right before they go to bed and as soon as they wake up. It's more football related.

And again, it's not a big deal at all and I am not blasting Nassib. I just sometimes wonder if a lot of our young players are focused on the task at hand. So much losing over two years is not good. Tuning out is easier than tuning in when things aren't going well.

To me it looked like they were eating lunch, and Nassib was just holding court. No harm, no foul, in my opinion ... just a veteran (such as he is) trying to help out younger players.

I have seen a lot of players wish that someone had shown them the ropes financially. I just watched a segment with Steve Smith, where he said that he blew every penny (cash part, bonus and year 1 salary) he made in year 1 of his rookie deal in less than a year, and he had to borrow money from his agent.

Heck, if it gives guys peace of mind in one aspect of their lives, it is one less thing to divert their attention from the field, and classroom. That's a benefit, IMHO.

Today's training camps are unlike anything from the last decade. The CBA gave the teams a lot less power to run them all day. The players have a lot more unstructured time nowadays. I'm just glad I saw a lot of the DL in that room, although it really didn't look like all of them.

j/c

I actually DID like the RB coach's suggestion. Basically, he was like "listen, I understand the importance of resting guys ... but can't they at least DRESS? Let's at least make them a part of it and be accountable to be with their group as opposed to just being checked out all day"