DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back Preseason: Browns 17 Bills 19 Allen vs. Mayfield, who will play better?

It was clear to me why the Bills drafted Allen at #7. but I don't have a clue why did we draft Baker first...

It has nothing to do with playing with the 1's or 2's, it has to do with the QB's.

If we drafted BM first because of his mobility, I could be satisfied, since we didn't I'm not.

Actualy I would like for BM to stop with all the running around, he wasn't built for that kind of game, and if he does it on a real game, someone is going to rip his head off....

Baker is the next Drew Brees.

I recommend you becoming a Bills fan ... or any team actually. Clearly you are a Browns hater, why not just go someplace where the team is a team you like. Constantly repeating total B.S about a QB you don't like is just getting old here.

I think Allen played better from a production stand point but Baker was solid. Allen got more contributions from his team than Mayfield did.

If nothing else, this game showed me why the Bills were a playoff teama nd the Browns were 0-16. Their depth is much, MUCH better.

Because there is a very high probability that our "Franchise QB" pick was a big mistake.


So far he hasn't showed why he was the #1 pick.... very far from it.


What BM defenders consider a positive, I think its very negative. I don't want him scrambling staring at receivers until they get open.

He should stop the running around right now. Just go through the progressions, quick accurate throws, cut all the shenanigans.

And frigging start throwing the ball with more zip.... he looks like a high school QB...

Rasta I have no idea what you're watching but Baker is doing almost nothing you're complaining about and is doing just about everything you say he's not.

He has 7 rushing attempts in 2 games. Your crush Josh Allen has 6 attempts in 2 games.

My crush is Rosen, and believe I bite myself every time I see him play..... how could you pass on him.. I think Carr maybe have a point with Allen...



Its not the rushing attempts, actually the stiff arm was pathetic, its him moving around, staring at the receiver until he is open to throw the ball.... And the lack of zip, c'mon.... ugliest ball of them all by miles..


He's supposed to be an efficient QB, and that's what I wan't to see. A JG II, Alex Smith... high comp %, fast decision, move the chains type of QB.

He has no idea what he is watching either...lol.

In all seriousness the biggest concern I have with Baker right now is he is holding the ball way too long. This makes me think he isn't reading defenses well (which at this point for a rookie is probably the norm to be honest). He overcomes this currently by his pocket awareness/elusiveness but when the regular season starts the clock in his head has to get quicker.

Speaking of his pocket presence, he is as good in the pocket RIGHT now as anyone in football to me......really is incredible to watch a guy that young doing what he is from the pocket.

He is standing there with no purpose, just staring at the receivers... holding on the ball until he sees a window wide enough to make the throw.

Its pre-season and you can even play simple football...Yes 55% completion... AMAZING...

First game moving the chains on 4th down, 2nd game running play on 3rd and 10....

Good for a 3rd round project, not for the first round pick.

And by the way, it may sound that I'm being to harsh on him, but I think its just a question of expectations.

I expected a different QB, maybe that's my problem.

Ya'll know he is a rookie QB, in his 2nd game coming from a spread offense in the big 12 right? He was never promoted as NFL ready and I think if you were expecting him to be ready you haven't been paying attention. They have said from the start Tyrod is the starter on 2018.

He is struggling a bit with where to go and when, but he's accurate and not turning the ball over. Holding the ball is to be expected. Josh Allen threw what would have been a pick 6 had the starters been playing. That's what you get from rookies when you expect the ball to be out.

I dunno, I think you're doing a lot of nit picking. He looks fine, his passes have been accurate and he's not turning it over. He had two TD passes called back this week.

I get what you're saying, you expected him to be trashing 2nd team defenses. What I am saying is our depth is very poor and Baker was always going to take time due to where he came from system and conference. With that said, he looks ahead of schedule and has been sharp all things considered.

Or its because he has been playing with scrub WR and they are not getting open....

even the announcers were talking about game 1 how quick the ball comes out his hand. i don't think your taking into account he is playing with guys that will never see a football field again after a few weeks.

Little column A, little of column B

I have pointed out to you multiple times now that Mayfield throws the ball over 60mph, 1 of only 2 qbs in the draft to do so.

Seriously bro, if you cannot even ACCEPT facts - you really need to start watching a different team. The kid has BEEN CLOCKED by NFL scouts throwing the ball over 60mph. and you say he has "no zip". you are either blind or dumb, which one?

I forgot how your man crush blinds your objectivity. My bad. lmao

Show me a throw like that on this 2 pre-season games.... Friggin ugly balls, that's what he is throwing most of the time.

He's showing a noodle arm.... that's what I'm seeing, stats were engineered and that is showing.

We can see Darnolds arm, Rosen's arm, so far I've seen good tight throws from almost all QB's, except BM...

He's keeping his arm a secret.... for real games...

Expecting to see #1 pick caliber throws, not third round QB ones....those he has plenty to show.

I will never understand why didn't we take Rosen first, never ever.... its just so obvious.

so you think from april until today he lost his throwing power.......bro it was freaking clocked, are you that dense?

Colt McCoy threw at 56 mph, just 3 mph less than BM,just for your info.

Would be P***** if we took Colt with the #1 also...

Bradford was picked number 1 on that draft, and I recall him having a great pre-season....

Not that it matters much, but I think that the first pick should justify the status...

I am going to need you to go through this and tell me where you see weak arm throws.

5 possibilities here:

1) You're blind.

2) You can see, yet have not watched a single game or practice yet.

3) You have an agenda, and are playing the contrarian just .... because ......

4) You know nothing about football.

5) You live in your own little world, and just come to this one to post on this board.

Your posts defy reality. They bear no resemblance whatsoever to what actually happens on the field. It's amazing how far from reality your posts are.

It's positively scary how you can look at what has taken place, and then post some of the things you have.

Its #3, he is a troll, and I have now placed him on ignore.

I went through and watched all of Josh Rosens 2nd game throws. If you are seeing a significantly stronger arm we are going to agree to disagree, they look about the same to me.

j/c:

I don't think this means much, but Allen looked better than Baker did in that particular game.

I still think it's pretty silly trying to rank these guys at this particular point in time.

That was my first thought when i saw the thread title ...

WHO GIVES A FLYING F ....

Funny how Rasta is the only person to see what he sees in Baker. Even all the talking head critical pundits out there can't run down Bakers game. Great awareness, pocket presence is outstanding along with great uncanny accuracy. Most say the game isn't to big for him.
One talking head said Baker had the best rookie first game he ever saw. True or not that is a long way from what Rasta is seeing.
IMO I had low expectations for him and his play has changed me drastically. He looks above and beyond what I had hoped for. I am ecstatic!!

I made a post about what I thought Diam but agree with your short assessment!! Ha

The bottom line on Baker is we are not going to know what he can do as long as he always goes out and practices with the 2nd unit.

As far as I can tell he has raised the play of some of those 2nd team players. That is what you want your QB to do. Make players around him even better.

Allen looked good for preseason.....I still think they are in for a rude awakening, he is going to get confused by complex coverages. He is going to have drastic ups and downs a lot like Kizer.

You know what's weird? Tyrod was in Buffalo and he would have been a good bridge guy to have while Allen learned the ropes. Instead, the Bills have McCarron and Peterman.

I'm not the biggest Tyrod fan, but I applaud Dorsey for acquiring him as our bridge qb. I'd rather go w/Taylor as our starter than any of the guys in Buffalo.

I assumed that he must have missed off the wrong person the way they put Peterson in there while in playoff contention. And I like/liked Peterson.

There has to be something behind the scenes we don't know about Vers. It makes ZERO sense for them to want Mcarron/NP over Tyrod. As you mentioned Dorsey was smart to get TT as our bridge so there loss is our gain. However, something had to have happened behind the scenes to dump a decent QB when you have none.

Or the Bills are stupid, and as we have seen for the past 20 years FOs are stupid all the time..haha.

I think they were far less willing to pay him than we were, IIRC.

Like I've said from the beginning, TT is not elite, but he is better than any QB we've had in many years. In the right system - one with playmakers to help him out - he can win.

Yeah............I'm not sure, but I think Tyrod had a pretty big contract.

He's kinda "blah" on the field, but I'd take "blah" over McCarron and Peterman.

This year he has a $10 million salary, and was paid a $6 million roster bonus.

I would add that he was the perfect bridge, because his contract is such that he was immediately made the starter, but the fact that it is just one year was perfect as well, because if he is benched late in the year, or even if he plays the whole year, he won't necessarily be standing in the way of the QB we drafted.

It's way, way, way to early to rank these guys, BUT Allen, and Baker were number 1 and number 2 on the Browns Draft board a few weeks before the draft.

And the Browns were going to give how much for McCarron ??