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Agreed again.
I pointed out that I'm concerned about the OL, but that doesn't mean I'm blaming Dorsey. He went out and got guys at other areas of need. It was reported he tried for Solder.
I agree w/you about the draft. Can someone name a LT that Dorsey should have drafted in the first two rounds? Not much he could have done.. this year lets watch Trey Adams OT Washington and Greg Little OT Ole Miss. It's a double edged sword: we want a top OT but don't want to be picking very high
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I understand your optimism and the reasons for it, but it isn't different until it shows on the field. Until then, it is just potential and "on paper". We've seen oodles of unrealized potential here. Actually Purp .... NO WE HAVE NOT HAD HARDLY ANY MUCH LESS OODELS OF UNREALIZED POTENTIAL HERE ... Thats simply not true ... in 20 years I’m not sure if U would need the fingers from both hands to count the numbers of players that have left here and went on and had even decent NFL careers much less STELLAR ONE .... must be they just haven’t realized thier potential yet ..  .. WHAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE AND THE REASON FOR THE DISCONNECT with the talent we finally have and everyone being afraid to be optimistic is we have had OODELS of dawgs way overestimating the talent we’ve had here and being letdown YEAR after YEAR ... thats what we have here bro ...  Seriously .... when guys leave here they do DIDDLY for the most part ... riddle me this .. Whose the player that left here and had the most success? ... Please put names to the “oodelers” ... *L* .... seriously ... who the hell are these guys that I’ve missed ... ahhhh ... Then take a look at QB ... that’s PITIFUL ... we haven’t had a QB here that has Left here and went on to be a starter for more than a year maybe two any where else in th league ...
When they prove it on the field with something approaching consistency, then it's different.
Don’t get snarky with me just cause the season ain’t started yet ... *L* ... patience dawg patience ... The talents there purp ... i been telling u guys for years your in for a letdown ... almost EVERY SINGLE one of them since our return ... ya’all never learn ... 
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We beat up a team that in all honesty was worse than we were last year. I am excited to see more especially on defense but we got a long way to go in the next few weeks. This had ZERO TO DO with the gnats game ... ZERO ... I have been giddy since after the draft ... its when i realized how much TALENT WE HAVE and the fact we now have a QB THAT PROTECTS THE BALL ...
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Bitonio being moved back to OG...
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This team lacks depth at almost every position. Injuries are life in the NFL. This team will play tough until injuries mount and they will bottom out at the end. We've seen this before.
I'd love to be wrong but history suggests it's unlikely. BINGO ... we have a winner ... Injuries are my main concern ... we still lack depth ... especially along the OL ... if bitino goes down ... were $CREWED ...
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I'm on board. I'm pretty optimistic of what this team can do and what we can glean about the future.
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Your right.
You don't simply replace Joe Thomas.
The draft was weak at LT. They did try to sign Solder.
The OL is in that space where they just have to put the best guys out there.
Putting Bitonio at LT is not ideal. However, it is there best option at present.
You can expect moves next year to address the OL. We had a TON of ASSETS last off season ... but even with all those it was going to be hard to fill all the holes we had ... crap ... we had to: - re-build 3/4’s of the secondary .. - get a vet QB - get SOME wr’s - we created a hole at RB .. - LT and RT That half your lineup ... *L* ... Add all those needs to the fact there was ONE VIABLE alternative in the draft and FA for LT and I don’t believe any for RT and u have yourself a recipe for a potential diseaster at the tackle position ... Another way to look at it ... maybe our brain trust thought Bitino/Corbett was a better combo than .... Some Dude/Bitino for the long term ... maybe this is exactly why we drafted Corbett ... cause we projected Bitino to be that much better at LT than the rest in this draft that it was worth weaking LG ALOT ... Thats very plausible to me ... either way ... and macs right about one thing .... this is more than likely going to be UGLY ... with that said ..... i’m THRILLED we didnt reach this year ...
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Greg Robinson starting at left tackle, Joel Bitonio left guard in Monday's practice By: Jeff Risdon | 16 hours ago The Browns continue to shuffle the left side of the offensive line. After Greg Robinson played well in the preseason opener at tackle, the newcomer earned reps with the starters at that very position. Joel Bitonio moved back to his old spot of left guard for the day. Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak #Browns Greg Robinson working at LT with starters. Joel Bitonio back at LG 4:02 PM - Aug 13, 2018 There is no indication of any permanency to the move. Robinson earned recognition on PFF’s Team of the Week for his clean slate in relief of Bitonio, who also played quite well in New York. The move demotes second-round rookie Austin Corbett from the left guard spot after he struggled in the opener. link It comes down to draft day priorities ...
...QB was #1
...DB was #2
...OLine was #3
The Browns could have dictated their draft priorities in any order they wanted.
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I'm on board. I'm pretty optimistic of what this team can do and what we can glean about the future. WANT A JOB on the Isle of Optomism where the sky is always blue and the water always blue ... Let me know, spots are filling up fast ... *L* ..
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A number of those same sites had the Jaguars ranked 27-28 last year, too. Where’d they have the iggles last year ... hmmmm ... I bet based off last year ... Our current ranking is closer to last years SB winner than the Stilers current ranking is so therefore we have a better shot at the grand prize this year than the Stilers ... How’s that for optimism .... ...
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I'm on board. I'm pretty optimistic of what this team can do and what we can glean about the future. WANT A JOB on the Isle of Optomism where the sky is always blue and the water always blue ... Let me know, spots are filling up fast ... *L* .. Reserve me a spot.
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I think anyone who believes this team has been rebuilt in one off season is setting themselves up for disappointment.
We're on the right track. We're headed in the right direction. But Rome wasn't built in a day. Rome wasn’t built in a day .... DUH ... whats the next great revelation ... u live longer if u breath in and out ... *L* ... no crap Rome wasn’t built in a day ... I’m fairly certain if we get to 6 - 8 wins this year the BUILDINGS NOT DONE ... hence the PROJECT ISNT COMPLETE ... maybe the thief will be satisfied with 6 - 8 wins and he considers that the top of the mountain ... naaa .. not even the thiefs that stupid ... Were talking 6 - 8 wins not winning the Super Bowl ... sheesh ... two of the predictions aren’t even 500 ... I’m not looking for the Rome “project” to be finished ... not really sure why anyone with a brain would correlate someone believing 6 - 8 wins is possible to them thinking it was the completion of an EMPIRE in the NFL ... wouldn’t that be winning the SB ... ... thats ludicrous in and of it self ... PS. This is year two of the re-build ... there was nothing even remotely close to a tear down this off season ... so its actually year two cause of were going to be good this year ... MG, Peppers, Njoku, Zietler, Trettier are all guys were counting on this year ...
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I think anyone who believes this team has been rebuilt in one off season is setting themselves up for disappointment.
We're on the right track. We're headed in the right direction. But Rome wasn't built in a day. No kidding? Enjoy the ride cause I see the reincarnation of the 80's on our doorstep. The RIDE starts NOW. I'm Onboard, DIAM. Dawgs. You gotta LET LOOSE and lose the who has what agenda BS. ENJOY this. Each year is gonna be better. Kosar and Sipe is gonna be Proud. How’s the ferry rides going? .. i see were having some rough waves ... that’s to be expected with all the dissapointment from all unrealistic expectations from seasons past ... Let me know if u need anything skipper ... Just hired a first mate for u ... say hi to memph ... *L* ...
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Orlando Brown, LeCharles Bentley, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Kellen Winslow, Braylon Edwards, Donte Stallworth, Gary Baxter, Jeff Garcia, Tim Couch...
...that's just a short list rattled off the top of my head of guys that had all the talent needed to get it done, but for one reason or another ended up not reaching their potential here.
To quote Gilda Radner, "It's always something."
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Don’t get snarky with me just cause the season ain’t started yet ... *L* ... patience dawg patience ... That ain't snark, it's just reality. We've had plenty of flash-in-the-pan success here. Anderson, Hoyer, etc.... nothing that you could look at and see being sustained, however.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Orlando Brown, LeCharles Bentley, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren, Kellen Winslow, Braylon Edwards, Donte Stallworth, Gary Baxter, Jeff Garcia, Tim Couch...
...that's just a short list rattled off the top of my head of guys that had all the talent needed to get it done, but for one reason or another ended up not reaching their potential here.
To quote Gilda Radner, "It's always something."
Not quite the list i asked for Senator Purp ... *L* ... An awesome blast from the past ... that brought a big ole smile to my face ... thanks for that ...
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The players we have right now inspire hope. Below is a list of players who are better than anything we’ve had since 2007.
Garret
Ogunjobi
Ward
Landry
Gordon
Njoku
Taylor
Mayfield
Kindred
Kirksey
That’s 10 guys who inspire hope. The problem is, they are all very young, most of which have done nothing in the NFL.
None of which matters if Mayfield is a bust. Mayfield needs to be given all the time he needs to be 100% ready because the next 5 years hinge on his success if he’s bad and if he is good….the next 15 years.
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The players we have right now inspire hope. Below is a list of players who are better than anything we’ve had since 2007.
Garret
Ogunjobi
Ward
Landry
Gordon
Njoku
Taylor
Mayfield
Kindred
Kirksey
That’s 10 guys who inspire hope. The problem is, they are all very young, most of which have done nothing in the NFL.
None of which matters if Mayfield is a bust. Mayfield needs to be given all the time he needs to be 100% ready because the next 5 years hinge on his success if he’s bad and if he is good….the next 15 years.
No Bitonio? Ogbah? Duke Johnson? I do agree...with no QB, everything else is insignificant. We've had talent before, just not at QB.
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Don’t get snarky with me just cause the season ain’t started yet ... *L* ... patience dawg patience ... That ain't snark, it's just reality. We've had plenty of flash-in-the-pan success here. Anderson, Hoyer, etc.... nothing that you could look at and see being sustained, however. We agree ...  .... They couldn’t sustain it anywhere else ... why ... they didn’t have the talent ... Its actually really sad when u look at all the players we’ve run through here and how they’ve barely amounted to a hill of beans after they left here ... Crap .. now i’m Getting depressed .... *L* ... Time to change gears ... When your ready dawg ... we have a spot and an ice cold ice tea waiting for u on the Isle of Optimism where the sky is always blue ant e waters always warm ... Til then dawg ... WOOF WOOF ...
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Not quite the list i asked for Senator Purp ... *L* ... An awesome blast from the past ... that brought a big ole smile to my face ... thanks for that ... May not be the list you thought you were going to get, but it is still what it is - "oodles" of unrealized potential. Oh, add Jamir Miller & Chris Spielman to that list, too.
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The players we have right now inspire hope. Below is a list of players who are better than anything we’ve had since 2007.
Garret
Ogunjobi
Ward
Landry
Gordon
Njoku
Taylor
Mayfield
Kindred
Kirksey
That’s 10 guys who inspire hope. The problem is, they are all very young, most of which have done nothing in the NFL.
None of which matters if Mayfield is a bust. Mayfield needs to be given all the time he needs to be 100% ready because the next 5 years hinge on his success if he’s bad and if he is good….the next 15 years.
No Bitonio? Ogbah? I like Ogbah but doesn't warrant being on the list. Bitonio is probably deserving of being on the list, I didn't thumb through the depth chart.
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Added Duke Johnson last minute too.
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It comes down to draft day priorities ...
...QB was #1
...DB was #2
...OLine was #3
The Browns could have dictated their draft priorities in any order they wanted.
You keep saying the same thing without answering the basic question. Who did you have ranked in either of the first two rounds at LT and where did you have them ranked. There were no good LT's in the draft, period. And I'm certainly an OL pimp. To do what you suggest would have been a reach of epic proportion and most likely would have failed. When you draft you have to match the talent at the pick with need. There was no talent to match need at LT.
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I was simply trying to gauge what some of you think optimism should be. It seems according your standards, thinking we can win six games is a sign of optimism. So as much as it may pain you, it seems I agree.
We're headed in the right direction, the future looks bright, we're on the right track and we have the talent to win six games.
So as much as you hate it, it seems like I'm pretty much right on track to fit into what you think optimism means. lmao
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We are ABSOLUTELY more talented. I also think going 0-4 or even 0-5 is a very real possibility with our schedule. The Jets are getting better as are we, and we typically have trouble with them even when they stink.
I hope we can see this thing through before the calls for blowing it up again are being spewed.
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j/c:
I had ESPN on this morning while showering, getting dressed, brushing teeth, making bed, etc.
They had the top 20 Fantasy QBs, RBs, WRs, TE, and Defenses ranked.
The Browns had:
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--0 at RB.
--Landry was 20th at WR.
--Njoku was 12th at TE.
--Defense was not ranked.
Combine this w/the power rankings I posted earlier. Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that perhaps some of you are overrating our talent, espcially at key positions?
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j/c:
I had ESPN on this morning while showering, getting dressed, brushing teeth, making bed, etc. U really think we needed to know that ... .. Will read the rest now ... *L*...
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I don't put stock in their "experts." Seem to give us all negatives and eager to snark it up. Given all the new combinations here, I think they may have underrated us. Had to look past quite a bit for FANTASY scoring which has to be last year. I'm wrong if I am wrong AND they are right. I will just try to be optimistic in spite of them.
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No.
Fantasy? Really.
All I can say is you'd be wise to snag Gordon in later rounds. Never did a Fantasy. Cept with the Wife.
And those ratings are from end of year since no ones played a game. They're worthless right now.
It's why they swing wildly once the season progresses. Start 2-0 and we magically jump to 20.
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They had the top 20 Fantasy QBs, RBs, WRs, TE, and Defenses ranked.
The Browns had:
--0 at QB.
--0 at RB.
I won’t draft TT or any of our RB’s ... Duke has value in PPR leagues but as of now i’m Only in 1 league and its not a ppr ... he still wouldn’t be close to 20 ... but he would have value ... i see Hyde and Chubb having ZERO FANTASY VALUE ... Thats a smidge low IMO .... right now i’m Slotted at #33 ... thats the 9th pick of rnd 3 ... in every mock i do I end up with Landry there ... i haven’t counted but I would imagine that puts him at about 12 - 15 for me ... so maybe more than smidge to low ... And when Josh comes back ... he’ll make the list but that’d just push Landry off it .. *L* ... I may end up in a league that u have to play a TE in .. if i do ... i’ll Grab Njoku later and know i got a steal ... hes gonna have a monster fantasy year .... i’d Say if he stays healthy he finished in the 4 - 6 range as opposed the 11 - 13 range --Defense was not ranked. HUGE MISTAKE ... i’m taking them in any league i play in ... Njoku is the guy that can win U fantasy leagues ... he’s the type of pick i thrive on and win leagues with ... u can’t win leagues in the first 2 or 3 rounds all u can do is hope u avoid losing them in the first 3 rounds ... u win leagues taking guys Njoku in the later rounds ... In some formats our D could help u win but D’s just don’t score enough to win u a league ... but there valuable and can definetly seperate u in a close finish ... Lets track this for next year ... i’m pretty good at this fantasy stuff ... i make money every year and do well year in and year out ... I’ll make a friendly wager with u that i do better than espn ... I ALWAYS do .. $5 or lunch or a beer? ... let me know ... just a fun bet and sumptin to track ... Combine this w/the power rankings I posted earlier. The power rankings that had the Super Bowl Champs around 24 or 25 and the Jags at 26 or 27 ... was it those power rankings? ...
Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that perhaps some of you are overrating our talent, espcially at key positions?
Yes ... that has occurred to me ... then i think about it and go right back to the ISLE OF OPTIMSM because the TALENT is there unlike in years past ... thats my story and i’m Sticking to it ... Right back at u with the “has it ever occurred to u” question ... 
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I understand every point you made. I also see posts just like Bards in response to such things year in and year out. Often time I've heard people suggest that the national media isn't focused enough on the team and don't live here. That by trying to give a run down of all 32 teams, they simply don't understand the improvement that's been made here. Yet year in and year out we find out they're right and our fan base is wrong.
What some fail to realize is that when you're caught up in the middle of a situation, objectivity is much harder to achieve. It's much easier for those who lack passion on the situation to be objective. Many times when I was growing up I saw my friends get played by their girl friends. It was easy to see from the outside looking in. But the guy involved with the girl? He was completely blind to it.
This year I am more optimistic than years past. I've watched some of our fans predict 6-12 wins in seasons I've never said over 4 wins at the most and sometimes 3. What I may or may not have mentioned is at in those years, I felt I was being optimistic predicting 3 or 4 wins. lol
We do have more talent this year. In my optimistic outlook, I can see the possibility to win six games. But to me, that's pretty much a best case scenario. A lot of things will have to go right for that to happen. We will have to avoid key injuries. Our secondary will have to be much improved. Something yet unseen will have to progress with the run blocking on the OL.
So even at six wins, I don't see it as a given. Now some will say that isn't optimistic. And that's fine if that's how they see it. But somewhere between optimism and pessimism lies realism. I try to be realistic with just a pinch of optimism. lol
And just like you predict every year, when the team doesn't reach some of the lofty goals set by unrealistic fans, they'll be looking for a fall guy. And we both know who that will be.
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I don't put stock in their "experts." Seem to give us all negatives and eager to snark it up. Given all the new combinations here, I think they may have underrated us. Had to look past quite a bit for FANTASY scoring which has to be last year. I'm wrong if I am wrong AND they are right. I will just try to be optimistic in spite of them. Hmmmm ... this gave me a great idea ... I need a MARKETING TEAM for the Isle of Optimism ... the marketing team can target folks like this and the rest of the negative nancies in the press ..... cause once we get them to the wading pool its only a matter time ti there full fledged members of the Isle ... then browns will be jumping up the fantasy ratings charts ... Oh wait ... i don’t want that ... ITS ONE OF MY ADVANTAGES IN FANTASY this year ... *LOL* .. Man ... if i’m wrong im gonna get crucified ... but i gotta tell U ... i’m having a ball with this ... *LOL* ...
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 You’ve stood by us through it all. We love you for it, and so does @budlight. These special fridges will unlock celebratory beers when we get our first regular season “W”. #VictoryFridge https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1029363286037458945Starting today, @budlight is installing “Victory Fridges” that will be full of beer in 10 Cleveland bars. When the Browns win first regular season game, fridges unlock and beer inside is free to fans.
You know my love will Not Fade Away.........
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No.
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All I can say is you'd be wise to snag Gordon in later rounds. Never did a Fantasy. Cept with the Wife. A fantasy league with your wife ... oh man ... i best not go there ... PLEASE DON’T EVER OPEN THAT PARTICULAR DOOR THAT WIDE AGAIN ... *LOL* ....
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Let's keep it real ... Pittsburgh boast boast one of the top 3 WR's in the NFL. The best or 2nd best RB in the NFL. Their 2nd WR is a hell of a WR and might be a #1 on 1/3 the teams in the NFL. Their QB is old but still playing at a top 10 level based on many games from last season.... Beating them week 1 would be more fluke than Browns turn around imo Last year playing them close was a fluke .... This year i expect to play them close .... I think we have a better shot of winning than we do of getting blown out ... Pitt does have a great O ... there D was BAD with Shazier ... it’s gonna SUCK w/o him ... And there O .. there learning a new one ... and Bell will not get a full compliment and he will have ZERO TRAINING CAMP reps in the new O ... Other than that ... there in GREAT SHAPE ... Stilers have a great O ... as a team ... them and the Rats are WAY OVERATED around these parts ...
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Let's keep it real ... Pittsburgh boast boast one of the top 3 WR's in the NFL. The best or 2nd best RB in the NFL. Their 2nd WR is a hell of a WR and might be a #1 on 1/3 the teams in the NFL. Their QB is old but still playing at a top 10 level based on many games from last season.... Beating them week 1 would be more fluke than Browns turn around imo Last year playing them close was a fluke .... This year i expect to play them close .... I think we have a better shot of winning than we do of getting blown out ... Pitt does have a great O ... there D was BAD with Shazier ... it’s gonna SUCK w/o him ... And there O .. there learning a new one ... and Bell will not get a full compliment and he will have ZERO TRAINING CAMP reps in the new O ... Other than that ... there in GREAT SHAPE ... Stilers have a great O ... as a team ... them and the Rats are WAY OVERATED around these parts ... Which is exactly why I say we could surprise coming out of the gates 2-0. Saints get Atlanta game 3.
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Isle Of Optomism where the skies always blue and the waters always warm .... Diam, I love your optimism friend ... I prefer *Hot* or Cold, over Lukewarm water though ...  Go Browns! No problem dawg ... we accommodate ALL on the Isle of Optimism and i will be more than happy to send u to the hot springs section of the Isle ... Anything else dawg ... We got ya covered bro ...
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I'm on board. I'm pretty optimistic of what this team can do and what we can glean about the future. WANT A JOB on the Isle of Optomism where the sky is always blue and the water always blue ... Let me know, spots are filling up fast ... *L* .. I believe that I am already a resident of the Isle of Optimism. I'm the guy who saw 4 wins last year and thought that was wonderful. Yes, I was disappointed, but we're back to 0-0 and optimism sprouts eternal.
1. #GMstrong
2. "I'm just trying to be the best Nick I can be." ~ Nick Chubb
3. Forgive me Elf, I didn’t have faith. ~ Tulsa
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I am on board thinking this year is "different". I do have one major concern, and it is an important one. I am very, very worried about our OL.
I think we may have whiffed on the Corbett pick. He was not very good in game 1. Not sure why we did not take Harold Landry there with the first pick of the second round in the draft.
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You’ve stood by us through it all. We love you for it, and so does @budlight. These special fridges will unlock celebratory beers when we get our first regular season “W”. #VictoryFridge https://twitter.com/Browns/status/1029363286037458945Starting today, @budlight is installing “Victory Fridges” that will be full of beer in 10 Cleveland bars. When the Browns win first regular season game, fridges unlock and beer inside is free to fans. This is awesome and I love it.
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