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If anything, this Hard Knocks show has been a real/true picture of the kinda person and coach Hue is.. I actually feel better about him now that I've watched him work behind the scenes... I do too, but he still has a 1-31 record. I can't feel good about that.
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If anything, this Hard Knocks show has been a real/true picture of the kinda person and coach Hue is.. I actually feel better about him now that I've watched him work behind the scenes... I do too, but he still has a 1-31 record. I can't feel good about that. You are what your record says you are.
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I think there are some Browns fans who are actually hoping Hue fails so they can say they were "right". It's quite possible. I'm also sure there are Browns fans who are already tired of watching him fail. No where to go but up.
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Just curious, but are there any teams with a defined starting QB that give first team reps to the backup? Just doesn't seem like something that is done in the NFL. The only time there are splits, to my recollection, are in open competitions, which our coach & GM have said from the start is NOT the case here and now. An update. I was just watching NFL Network after Hard Knocks. They were discussing Baker not getting first team reps. Willie McGinnest said something like: "How many reps do second team qbs get w/the first team?" David Carr, the former number one overall pick and qb in the NFL said: "They get none." So, I don't know.............do we believe former NFL players or guys like WSU Willie and Memphis on a message board about how many reps backups get w/the ones?
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Just curious, but are there any teams with a defined starting QB that give first team reps to the backup? Just doesn't seem like something that is done in the NFL. The only time there are splits, to my recollection, are in open competitions, which our coach & GM have said from the start is NOT the case here and now. An update. I was just watching NFL Network after Hard Knocks. They were discussing Baker not getting first team reps. Willie McGinnest said something like: "How many reps do second team qbs get w/the first team?" David Carr, the former number one overall pick and qb in the NFL said: "They get none." So, I don't know.............do we believe former NFL players or guys like WSU Willie and Memphis on a message board about how many reps backups get w/the ones? What exactly did I say about backups getting reps with the ones??
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From here on out, Baker has got to be put on the back burner. This is Tyrods team, and he needs all the reps. That's how it is done, and I'm sure that's how it will be done.
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Should our Qb be doing this? Should any player from an 1-31 team, be doing this? Didn't like it...
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Just curious, but are there any teams with a defined starting QB that give first team reps to the backup? Just doesn't seem like something that is done in the NFL. The only time there are splits, to my recollection, are in open competitions, which our coach & GM have said from the start is NOT the case here and now. An update. I was just watching NFL Network after Hard Knocks. They were discussing Baker not getting first team reps. Willie McGinnest said something like: "How many reps do second team qbs get w/the first team?" David Carr, the former number one overall pick and qb in the NFL said: "They get none." So, I don't know.............do we believe former NFL players or guys like WSU Willie and Memphis on a message board about how many reps backups get w/the ones? Willie McGinest talking about his experiences watching Tom Brady? Tom Brady or Tyrod Taylor getting "all" the first-team reps? Tom Brady the franchise or Tyrod Taylor the place-holder? Are you suggesting that Hue couldn't carve out 10 minutes in practice for Baker to take snaps with the 1s? Hue HAS proven to be poor at time management, so maybe he can't figure that out. How many first-team reps did Wentz get his first year? His coach had the stones and eye to see what he had there and wasn't afraid what the media might think. A year later, that coach won the Super Bowl. A HC who played QB in the NFL and gets paid to evaluate and develop talent. Hue anointed TT the starter without one snap of competition. What do you think Willie McG and Carr would have to say about that? The Browns are all about competition this camp...except at QB...to the point that the 1st Overall pick Heisman Trophy Winner can't get 10 minutes with the 1's.  TT should be the starter...but that doesn't mean Baker can't get some first-team run.
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Should our Qb be doing this? Should any player from an 1-31 team, be doing this? Didn't like it... I believe that is part of the rookie hazing of the NFL.
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Just curious, but are there any teams with a defined starting QB that give first team reps to the backup? Just doesn't seem like something that is done in the NFL. The only time there are splits, to my recollection, are in open competitions, which our coach & GM have said from the start is NOT the case here and now. An update. I was just watching NFL Network after Hard Knocks. They were discussing Baker not getting first team reps. Willie McGinnest said something like: "How many reps do second team qbs get w/the first team?" David Carr, the former number one overall pick and qb in the NFL said: "They get none." So, I don't know.............do we believe former NFL players or guys like WSU Willie and Memphis on a message board about how many reps backups get w/the ones? Willie McGinest talking about his experiences watching Tom Brady? Tom Brady or Tyrod Taylor getting "all" the first-team reps? Tom Brady the franchise or Tyrod Taylor the place-holder? Are you suggesting that Hue couldn't carve out 10 minutes in practice for Baker to take snaps with the 1s? Hue HAS proven to be poor at time management, so maybe he can't figure that out. How many first-team reps did Wentz get his first year? His coach had the stones and eye to see what he had there and wasn't afraid what the media might think. A year later, that coach won the Super Bowl. A HC who played QB in the NFL and gets paid to evaluate and develop talent. Hue anointed TT the starter without one snap of competition. What do you think Willie McG and Carr would have to say about that? The Browns are all about competition this camp...except at QB...to the point that the 1st Overall pick Heisman Trophy Winner can't get 10 minutes with the 1's. TT should be the starter...but that doesn't mean Baker can't get some first-team run. It is called .. Doing right by your veteran talent. Tyrod was brought in as a one year rental. He is on his contract year and will be a Free Agent next year. How many Free Agents do you think Dorsey will be able to sign if they treat Taylor like crap? Taylor is a former pro bowl QB and has taken a team to the playoffs. Treat him like crap and you will not be able to sign a decent FA for years. Let the rookie learn.
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McGinnest asked the question. David Carr answered the question. Carr was both a starting and backup QB in the NFL. I think he is more qualified to answer the question than you are. Are you suggesting otherwise?
For years, I have heard comments that back-up qbs don't get reps w/the ones. Factor in that we have the following:
--a new offense
--a new OC
--a new QB
--two new starting WRs
--two new RBs
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--a new RG [at the moment]
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I think getting the starters all on the same page would be a priority. I don't see why a poster would try and single this out as another reason to bash Hue other than that poster is looking for ways to bash Hue.
I also wonder if Baker might be getting a rotation w/the ones here or there and if Hue is simply shutting down the questions from reporters because he doesn't want a public QB controversy to derail his team?
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Thanks. That is indeed the segment I was referring to.
Man, you post so many relevant videos and articles that help keep us informed. You really are a valuable asset to this board. Thanks again.
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Should our Qb be doing this? Should any player from an 1-31 team, be doing this?
Didn't like it...
Dude, you have really gone off the rails with this schizzle. I've read many of your Baker rants and found them baseless but this picayune, claptrap about a skit!?!? Wow... it just exposes your objections to Mayfield as more, much more than just football. I can't respect anything you have to say on the subject of Mayfield. Have you seen these commercials where players like Gurley and Carr say, "football is hard"? That means that after all of the physically and mentally demanding, grueling punishment of practice guys need opportunities to release some steam. Especially at a significant time like the end of training camp. Some of it is done collectively as an expression of camaraderie. There is a long tradition in football of this type of activity. It's done with the implicit approval and at times the involvement of coaches and management.
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Should our Qb be doing this? Should any player from an 1-31 team, be doing this? Didn't like it... Don't care if you liked it or not, I thought it was hilarious and also a rather good imitation of John Dorsey... Man, you are just being a bit of an Arse about Mayfield. Did he take a wee wee in your cereal or something...
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One thing I've found from watching Hard Knocks is how obvious it is that Baker just seems to be a good guy. A guy that makes you want to root for him. That makes you hope he succeeds. I always root for Browns players to do well, but Baker makes it easy to root for him.
I've seen great promise from him based on performance and a nice guy just as far as a person goes. I'm happy he's a Brown.
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Should our Qb be doing this? Should any player from an 1-31 team, be doing this? Didn't like it... Don't care if you liked it or not, I thought it was hilarious and also a rather good imitation of John Dorsey... Man, you are just being a bit of an Arse about Mayfield. Did he take a wee wee in your cereal or something... If people find a reason to hate on @bakermayfield or the #Browns for this, they have no soul. https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1032291734204690433
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It is called .. Doing right by your veteran talent. Tyrod was brought in as a one year rental. He is on his contract year and will be a Free Agent next year. How many Free Agents do you think Dorsey will be able to sign if they treat Taylor like crap? Taylor is a former pro bowl QB and has taken a team to the playoffs. Treat him like crap and you will not be able to sign a decent FA for years. Let the rookie learn. I agree. But what I posted and what you said above are not near the same thing.
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I'm talking about ten minutes of reps. What is that? Five plays?
TT is not a big, strong, infallible, franchise QB. He IS perfect for what we need right now given everything you listed...but ten minutes of reps will do a world of wonders for Baker and won't harm TT one bit.
If Hue doesn't start the 1's in PS game 4, all his "TT needs all the reps he can get" will be complete BS in my mind. Just like last year PS #4 when the starters didn't play. Deshone (frikin) Kizer sat pre-season game #4. Hue's afraid of a QB controversy and I don't want a HC afraid of the media/fans to the point of completely squelching competition. Regardless of what Mcg, Carr or you opine on that matter.
No one on this board has brought more heat on Hue than Hue himself...with both his words and actions. That's a real thing.
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One thing I've found from watching Hard Knocks is how obvious it is that Baker just seems to be a good guy. A guy that makes you want to root for him. That makes you hope he succeeds. I always root for Browns players to do well, but Baker makes it easy to root for him.
I've seen great promise from him based on performance and a nice guy just as far as a person goes. I'm happy he's a Brown. After watching him on Hard Knocks, I have to say that I like Baker's personality much more than I did.
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I agree. To me the difference is simple. I formed an opinion based on his antics without really knowing more about him. The optics weren't a positive. Now that I'm becoming more familiar with him, based on Hard Knocks, the person is much better than the perception.
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The progress that he is making is simply outstanding. He is far ahead of where I imagined he would be at this point. the staff wants him focusing on him and not worrying about being the guy right now. Its working,
You see how the team looks at him when he is throwing the ball and it tells a story.
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You see how the team looks at him when he is throwing the ball and it tells a story. This is absolutley true, IMO. Mayfield is gaining trust with his teammates every single day.
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McGinnest asked the question. David Carr answered the question. Carr was both a starting and backup QB in the NFL. I think he is more qualified to answer the question than you are. Are you suggesting otherwise?
For years, I have heard comments that back-up qbs don't get reps w/the ones. Factor in that we have the following:
--a new offense
--a new OC
--a new QB
--two new starting WRs
--two new RBs
--a new LT
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--a new RG [at the moment]
--a new RT
I think getting the starters all on the same page would be a priority. I don't see why a poster would try and single this out as another reason to bash Hue other than that poster is looking for ways to bash Hue.
I also wonder if Baker might be getting a rotation w/the ones here or there and if Hue is simply shutting down the questions from reporters because he doesn't want a public QB controversy to derail his team? Tyrod is here to WIN GAMES NOW. By giving reps to baker you are already giving up and saying "we don't think we are going to win much anyway, so we better get the kid ready for when we hook TT". By giving all reps to TT, you are telling the team, we can and will win now.
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The progress that he is making is simply outstanding. He is far ahead of where I imagined he would be at this point. the staff wants him focusing on him and not worrying about being the guy right now. Its working,
You see how the team looks at him when he is throwing the ball and it tells a story. So much for the Johnie Football comparisions .....  ...
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You see how the team looks at him when he is throwing the ball and it tells a story. This is absolutley true, IMO. Mayfield is gaining trust with his teammates every single day. I LOVED that part the most in the entire show .... he’s what really matters .... this years gonna be FUN cause were only gonna be bad and NOT SUCK ... but he’s what matters most and that is: ANOTHER GREAT SIGN ... ONE OF MANY!!!!!
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I don't necessarily think the following is true:
What if Baker Mayfield is ready to play now and already better than Tyrod Taylor?
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Should our Qb be doing this? Should any player from an 1-31 team, be doing this? Didn't like it... Don't care if you liked it or not, I thought it was hilarious and also a rather good imitation of John Dorsey... Man, you are just being a bit of an Arse about Mayfield. Did he take a wee wee in your cereal or something... i read it was part of the rookie talent show...i think its hilarious and I think that if John had a problem with it, it wouldn't have happened...people are too uptight...I've seen nothing but good out of mayfield since we drafted him. Dude seems to be a good egg and loves football and his teammates seem to like him as well. Thats good enough for me
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You see how the team looks at him when he is throwing the ball and it tells a story. This is absolutley true, IMO. Mayfield is gaining trust with his teammates every single day. I LOVED that part the most in the entire show .... he’s what really matters .... this years gonna be FUN cause were only gonna be bad and NOT SUCK ... but he’s what matters most and that is: ANOTHER GREAT SIGN ... ONE OF MANY!!!!! I liked when he asked Juice if he need him to take care of it for him...fear the orange shirt brigade or something to that effect.
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You see how the team looks at him when he is throwing the ball and it tells a story. This is absolutley true, IMO. Mayfield is gaining trust with his teammates every single day. I LOVED that part the most in the entire show .... he’s what really matters .... this years gonna be FUN cause were only gonna be bad and NOT SUCK ... but he’s what matters most and that is: ANOTHER GREAT SIGN ... ONE OF MANY!!!!! Here's a good sign for the Browns. My driver today is an avid, very knowledgeable sports fan. All sports. Especially the regional teams (Red Sox, Giants, Knicks, etc...) Not a Cleveland fan. (not a Cleveland hater) I asked him: "So, are the Browns the worst team in the NFL right now?" He said: "No". Let's all hold hands and sing. 
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I don't necessarily think the following is true: No need to qualify it ... HES NOT better than TT right now ... What if Baker Mayfield is ready to play now and already better than Tyrod Taylor? U play him the second that happens or maybe a week or two after it happens ... But its not gonna happen during TC ... just not enough time ... and as tabber has said numerous times once the season starts the comp is over ... then it is 100% based on how well TT plays and/or if he gets injured ... Door closes on Baker the day we break and start revving up for the Stilers ... the way TT has taken control of this team since day 1 ... I’m not sure the door was ever even cracked for Baker ...
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I don't necessarily think the following is true: No need to qualify it ... HES NOT better than TT right now ... I'm pretty sure I agree with you, but I am not 100%.
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Hue and Dorsey can not have been more clear about TT being the starter.
Their plan is TT with Baker learning. He either has to get injured or really stink it up and for more than one game.
This is the plan and they will stick to it. And it is the right plan.
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This is the plan and they will stick to it. And it is the right plan. Is it the right plan if Mayfield is ready and better now? (I don't know if he is.) Is it possible Mayfield's growth is being stunted by not playing? (I don't know.) Just questions that I thought we might further discuss.
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Hue and Dorsey can not have been more clear about TT being the starter.
Their plan is TT with Baker learning. He either has to get injured or really stink it up and for more than one game.
This is the plan and they will stick to it. And it is the right plan.
Concur Mr. Fish, may I call U bone .... *L* ... I think Baker had to come in and blow everyones socks completely off .... and that just doesn’t happen ... Wentz and Watkins were freaks ... never seen anything like it ... although Wentz struggles with a pretty bad O around him year 1 ... Watson had a lot of talent around him ... much like Baker ... Oh well ... it dont matter ... if i continue down that rabbit hole i’ll Be down it for a few days and its irrelivent anyhow ... *L* ... It was the right plan ... its still the right plan ... Bakers not ready yet .... GOOD LUCK TT ... go get um dawg!!!! I think Hue has handled this perfectly ... I really like what i’m seeing in all areas and in all regards bone ... many signs pointing in the right direction ... 
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