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Thanks brother, I feel the same towards you.

The thing is, we aren't labeling all of them at all. That's the problem with the argument, like I said, I'll hire them if I'm busy enough and they're legal, but we need to do what we should to prevent this from happening again.

J/C

Vers,

Back then Democrats were conservative and the Republicans were liberal.

Lincoln wished to abolish slavery, and the democrats preached state rights or some silly argument to start the Civil War.

Both parties stood for different things then. FDR came around and sparked the progressive movement with the New Deal. That's really when the democrats came around on economic issues. Kennedy and Johnson then ushered in social liberties, too.

Even MLK would be considered a liberal.
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Ted,



The dems lost the last4 cycle due to failing to put out a candidate that actually represented what most liberals and democrats want. I doubt that'll happen again with the rise of the Democratic Socialist candidates taking special elections by storm.

Just look at Ocasio-Cortez. She's the future of liberal politics, and the only thing conservatives have is "they want to give your money to the scary people you don't like!"



Please tell me where I didn't notice? Please explain where I said I endorse mindless murder. Thanks.



Dixiecrats, Strom Thurmond, and Nixon's "law and order" platform heavily disagree with the views that conservatives are for civil rights.



I do. I do so through dollars and any other way I can.

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Knight,



Pot calling kettle black. I could point to all the other times you handwave law breakers, but I ain't got time to show you post by post.

If someone sneaks into your house do you let them stay for 20 years?

If someone sneaks into your house and commits violence would you know make sure in the future to put locks on your doors?

When the locks don't stop them from sneaking inside do you risk it that they have good intentions or do you think it's safe to assume they mean you harm?

Well the USA is my home and those that sneak into it are criminals who have broken the law to break and enter it. It's not cute and it's not a joke. It's costing us 140 BILLION dollars a year and hundreds of people are dying if not thousands from it.

It's a deadly, serious issue that is causing an extreme amount of harm to our home. If you can't keep your borders safe then you can't keep your citizens safe from all the nutjobs that want to harm them.

I like what Australia does. It's funny how no one talks about it though. You see when Australia sees a boat of illegal immigrants they sink the ship. Europe is beginning to do the same. The citizens are making their voices heard loud and clear too. Those who want open borders are getting unelected fast. I hope the USA speaks loud and clear too.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-08/au...adlines/8003958

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Just look at Ocasio-Cortez. She's the future of liberal politics, and the only thing conservatives have is "they want to give your money to the scary people you don't like!" [quote]


Ocasio-Cortez is off to a good start of telling fibs:


Ocasio-Cortez
"Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. Unemployment is low because people are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and can barely feed their family."

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Friday, July 13th, 2018 in an interview on PBS' "Firing Line"

Pants on Fire!


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...al-counts-abou/

Sad end to a story we all knew the ending to. The arrest and confession will only add fuel to a raging fire...shame that Iowa is a non death penalty state. But my guess is the pro illegal camp will want ICE to deport the murderer instead of locking him up for life with no chance of parole. Condolences to Mollie's family...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/officials-believe-body-iowa-student-mollie-tibbetts-found-132827935.html

RIP ....Mollie. Her killer will rot in hell.

Is there 325 million people living in you house?


It’s a shame my ancestors didn’t sink the Mayflower, and all the rest.

I'm curious.

How do you figure it was "their land"?

And I like how you never bring up the countless atrocities of many indians on each other.



Yeah right.

What? You a fourth Cherokee?

Sure. Sure you are.

Ancestry DNA test. Already posted it. Typical response though.

I agree with what you are saying, but that STILL does not change the fact that if this guy was not here, that poor child would still be alive. So basically, what you are saying is " because we have bad people here, we shouldn't try to get the other bad people."

What you posted is basically just a giant WHATABOUT.

A girl is dead.

The murderer was here illegally, and if he wasn't here, she would be alive.

Nothing you posted changes that FACT.

There is that 25% again

Her killer will given citizenship and voter card if you had your way.

It's a tragedy. Using it to insult people who don't align with your political views is just wrong.

I've never been able to parse that one out: We're told Native American's didn't believe in concepts like land ownership... I don't think you can technically take from someone or steal from someone unless they have a claim of ownership of whatever you are taking? Kinda like the last donut in the box at the goody table at work. Then there's the whole enslaving other tribes part.

Anyway, it's weird the groups of people we try to venerate isn't it? Like Pirates. We tell kids pirates are cool, even make pirate themed summer camps. Pirates were known for raping, pillaging, theft, and murder.

I guess there's something subconsciously endearing about hooks, peg legs, and parrots.

No, that is not what I am saying. I think we should rid ourselves of monsters regardless of race. I am saying that it is unfair to place a negative label on an entire group of people due to the actions of a few. I am consistent w/that point of view. I also call out some of our minority posters who try to place labels on all whites, conservatives, the police, etc. I simply think it is ignorant and biased to place all-encompassing labels on groups of people.

I also think that people will enter this country illegally no matter what the government decides to do. Criminals have a way of avoiding the laws. What The Wall might do is keep out people who come here and work at jobs that most Americans won't do. I liken it to laws that would get rid of guns. The innocent, law-abiding people would become unarmed and the criminals would still find a way to get guns.

That's exactly what you are saying. You just basically said again, "criminals are still going to get come over the boarder, so why do anything", then used gun laws to try to back that argument.

The difference is, we already have laws for illegal immigration and gun laws. We just need to ENFORCE those laws. We are not arguing about adding new Immigration laws, we are arguing about ENFORCING the laws we have. Same with guns. We do not need new laws, we need to ENFORCE the laws we have. More laws at this point are doing nothing.

You cannot link to gun laws, because the second a person comes over illegally, they are breaking the law! The second they step foot on our soil they are criminals.

Don't tell me what I am saying or what I can and can't do. Good God! LOL

Your style is that of a closed-minded, shout you down, man. I'm not interested in having a conversation w/you. Keep preaching hate. It will get you places.

Yes, I hate when an innocent child gets killed, I am saddened that it doesn't bother you this could have been easily avoided. Please, send a card to the family saying - "I know you daughter is murdered, however its for the greater good of those here illegally we don't talk about we could have avoided it easily. "

jc

Honestly I think the lede is buried here accidentally, as the big deal (to me) is that he passed E-Verify. E-Verify is full of gaps and between false negatives like this and false positives like preventing actual americans from getting work, it's obvious that it's not the magic pill people seem to think it is.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...ect/1060204002/

Cristhian Rivera, charged in Mollie Tibbetts' death, worked at Iowa GOP family farm
USA TODAY NETWORKAustin Cannon, Des Moines Register Published 7:48 a.m. ET Aug. 22, 2018 | Updated 8:28 a.m. ET Aug. 22, 2018

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The Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation announces charges related to the Mollie Tibbetts case during a news conference in Montezuma, Iowa. Rodney White, rodwhite@dmreg.com

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DES MOINES – Cristhian Rivera, the man accused in the death of a 20-year-old University of Iowa student, worked for an Iowa farm owned by the brother of a prominent Iowa Republican.

In a statement Tuesday night, Dane Lang, of Yarrabee Farms, said Rivera was an “employee in good standing” and was “shocked to hear” Rivera was implicated in the death of Mollie Tibbetts.

Dane Lang is related to Craig Lang, the former president of both the Iowa Farm Bureau Federation and the Iowa Board of Regents and a 2018 Republican candidate for state secretary of agriculture. Documents immediately reviewed by the Des Moines Register listed several owners of Yarrabee Farms, including Dane Lang and Eric Lang, Craig's brother.

Aug. 21: Arrest of undocumented immigrant in Mollie Tibbetts murder case may play into 2018 race

Aug. 21: Fox News host says Manafort and Cohen crimes can't sway votes like Tibbetts murder

On Tuesday, authorities said they found a body in a cornfield that they tentatively identified as Tibbetts', based on clothing found at the scene, according to a criminal complaint.

Rivera, 24, who resides in rural Poweshiek County, Iowa, was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder in the alleged abduction and death of Tibbetts, according to the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation.

During a news conference Tuesday, authorities said Rivera was employed and lived in the area for four to seven years, but they would not disclose his employer.

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Craig Lang, a former president of the Iowa Farm Bureau Federation (Photo: Register file/Mary Willie)

In a statement, Dane Lang said Rivera worked for Yarrabee Farms for four years and passed the government’s vetting process. Investigators visited the farm Monday to speak with employees.

Investigators said Rivera was in the country without proper legal documentation.

In the wake of Rivera's arrest, Republicans, including President Donald Trump and Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds, inveighed against the country's immigration system.

Aug. 21: Mollie Tibbetts' death: What we know about the Iowa student's case

Aug. 21: Arizona GOP Senate candidate: John McCain, Jeff Flake contributed to Iowa girl's murder

Trump alluded to the case at a rally in West Virginia on Tuesday: “You heard about today with the illegal alien coming in, very sadly, from Mexico and you saw what happened to that incredible, beautiful young woman,” he said, shaking his head. “Should’ve never happened.”

Tibbetts was last seen the night of July 18.

Read the full statement from Yarrabee Farms below:

“First and foremost, our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Mollie Tibbetts. This is a profoundly sad day for our community. All of us at Yarrabee Farms are shocked to hear that one of our employees was involved and is charged in this case.

This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government's E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing. On Monday, the authorities visited our farm and talked to our employees. We have cooperated fully with their investigation.

Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States, and we regularly seek outside counsel to ensure we stay up-to-date on employment law matters. We keep records on all employees and have shared that information with authorities.

We appreciate the hard work of law enforcement officials. We will continue to cooperate with authorities as the investigation moves forward.”

Tibbetts was last seen on surveillance footage running along Boundary and Middle Streets in her hometown Brooklyn, Iowa, about 70 miles east of Des Moines. Rivera allegedly followed her in a black Chevy Malibu.

Rivera parked his car and started running alongside and behind Tibbetts. She pulled out a cellphone and said she would call the police. Rivera told police he panicked and got mad, and then "blocked" his memory, becoming aware while at the driveway of a cornfield that he had placed a woman in his trunk, according to a criminal complaint.

Aug. 21: Undocumented immigrant charged with murder in killing of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts

Aug. 21: Condolences pour in after body found in Mollie Tibbetts' search

Rivera dragged the woman to an isolated area in the cornfield, he told police, then covered her body with corn leaves and drove away. After officials identified his vehicle in surveillance footage, he complied with law enforcement and led them to the body.

Contributing: Linh Ta and Barbara Rodriguez, The Des Moines Register; The Associated Press. Follow Austin Cannon on Twitter: @Cannon_Online

MS-13 gang member, in US illegally, pleads guilty in brutal quadruple killing

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/ms-...le-killing.html

An illegal immigrant and member of the MS-13 gang faces a life sentence after pleading guilty Monday to taking part in the vicious massacre of four young men on New York's Long Island, in a case that was highlighted by President Trump.

Josue Portillo, 17, but charged as an adult, pleaded guilty in federal court to racketeering charges and for his participation in the April 2017 murders of Justin Llivicura, Michael Lopez Banegas, Jefferson Villalobos and Jorge Tigre in the woods behind a Central Islip, N.Y., soccer field, prosecutors claim. He’s now facing up to life in prison when he is sentenced Jan. 10.

The case was emphasized by President Trump in May at an event on Long Island, the epicenter of MS-13 gang killings in the country, to push for tighter immigration controls, which included the families of the three of the four slain men, the New York Times reported.

Portillo admitted that he planned the murders with other members of the notorious gang, whose motto is “Kill, rape, control.” They believed the four men were rival gang members. The victims were then lured to the woods and attacked with machetes, knives and clubs.

“The Eastern District, together with our partners on the FBI's Long Island Gang Task Force, will never tire nor relent in our efforts to dismantle MS-13 and bring to justice their members who have no respect for human life,” U.S. Attorney Richard Donoghue said in a statement.

The prosecutors said Portillo entered the U.S. illegally from El Salvador. Many of the MS-13 members are from El Salvador and Honduras, with many of them coming into the country illegally. Increasingly, however, the gang is recruiting young teenagers who were born in the U.S.

The killer was only 16 at the time of the murders and the authorities initially charged him as a juvenile together with other members and associates of the gang, according to the Times. But the judge decided Portillo should be tried as an adult, saying the teen was charged with “four heinous, premeditated murders” and posed a danger to the community.

The violence perpetrated by the MS-13 gang includes the 2016 slayings of two teenage girls in Brentwood and led to congressional hearings on the issue. The gang has been allegedly responsible for at least 25 killings since January 2016 across a wide swath of Long Island. Many other people have been reported missing.

So his enabler is the brother of a prominent Iowa Republican....shocking.

We can do much better than play gotcha politics I think.

128 illegal immigrants found abandoned in Arizona, Border Patrol says

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/21/128...atrol-says.html

Border Patrol agents said that 128 immigrants found in Arizona after smugglers apparently brought them into the U.S. illegally on Friday are all facing potential deportation.

Agents patrolling a border fence in a remote desert area in Arizona several miles west of the Lukeville Port located the group.

Children as young as four were among the immigrants who were found.

Authorities said they were from Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Mexico. Several adults in the group also previously were charged with immigration violations.

Authorities said all the immigrants were evaluated medically and determined to be in good health before they were processed and turned over to the enforcement removal operations within Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Hey it’s the Trump era. Why is only one side being called out for political incorrectness?

Speaking for myself, it's unwise to play a game where one is so thoroughly disadvantaged. I'm not particularly adept at playing in the mud, and it's not productive to the discussion. So when people post stories on immigration to play "gotcha!" I find it divisive and nauseatingly simple-minded. I'm sure you are feeling a bit worn out from the constant barrage by it, but it's important to keep in mind what is actually important. And it's not throwing barbs.

The alt-right propaganda machine has done a great job of dehumanizing immigrants (not just illegal ones, legal too!) and making it seem OK to treat them as less than people. Responding back to those retorts with similar venom works to validate that behavior, not make people reflect on their behavior.

Nice post, gage.

Illegal immigrant who committed multiple rapes after 2012 ICE detainer not enforced gets 80 years in prison

just in

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/ill...-in-prison.html

An Illinois judge on Monday slammed the officials who failed to enforce a 2012 ICE detainer on an illegal immigrant who later was able to beat and rape three women -- even though he "shouldn't have been in this country."

Miguel C. Luna, 37, a Mexican national who was living in Joliet, was given the maximum sentence of 80 years in prison on Monday after he admitted last May to the physical and sexual assaults of two women who were running on a state trail in separate incidents in 2015 and 2016. Luna also admitted to raping a third woman who has since died.

“You shouldn’t have been in this country,” Judge David Carlson said, according to the Chicago Tribute. “The system let the victims down in this case.”

The judge said he did not understand why Luna had not been deported in 2012 when a fugitive warrant for his arrest was issued by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“You were free to do these acts...whether through misguided political correctness or people who do not believe in laws or borders,” Carlson said. “One thing I can do with the sentence is show that the laws we believe in here, maybe this won’t happen again, maybe that’s a little bit of closure.”

Luna was arrested for the rapes in May 2015. He faced 16 to 40 years on each of the two felony criminal assault counts. Carlos ordered him to serve the sentences consecutively, serve at least 85 percent of the sentences – 68 years – and register as a sex offender if he is every released from prison.

During the trial against Luna, prosecutors argued the early-morning attacks on the women were premeditated and grew more sophisticated. They showed a videotaped confession in which Luna admitted to wearing surgical gloves, concealing his face and using a shirt to wipe blood off a victim’s arm to remove his fingerprints.

“He did not want to be caught,” Assistant State’s Attorney Mary Fillipitch said in court. “If anything, he’d become a more clever and crafty sexual predator if given the opportunity to do so.”

Prior to his sentencing, Luna said that he was traumatized by repeated childhood sexual abuse by family members.

“I realize now I needed professional help,” he said, reading from a statement. “I never had the means and now it’s too late because I’m facing a life sentence.”

Luna went on to stay he was “very sorry” for his actions.

Carlson said the abuse Luna said he suffered as a child does not excuse his actions as an adult.

“Nothing gives you the right to impart that hurt, that pain, that damage to anyone else,” the judge said.

Yet you fully support Trump, who has been accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least nineteen women since the 1980s. Those accusations have resulted in three widely reported instances of litigation: his then-wife Ivana made a rape claim during their 1989 divorce litigation but later recanted that claim; businesswoman Jill Harth sued Trump in 1997 alleging breach of contract while also suing for nonviolent sexual harassment but withdrew the latter suit as part of a settlement for relating to the former suit; and, in 2017, former Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos filed a defamation lawsuit.

Two of the allegations (by Ivana Trump and Jill Harth) became public before Trump's candidacy for president, but the rest arose after a 2005 audio recording was leaked during the 2016 presidential campaign. Trump was recorded bragging that a celebrity like himself "can do anything" to women, including "just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the “p***y".

Several former Miss USA and Miss Teen USA contestants, who accused Trump of entering the dressing rooms of beauty pageant contestants. Trump, who owned the Miss Universe franchise, which includes both pageants, was accused of going into dressing rooms in 1997, 2000, 2001, and 2006, while contestants were in various stages of undress. During a 2005 interview on The Howard Stern Show, Trump said that he could "get away with things like that".

Deplorable.

My response was not a retort or barb with any venom. It may have come across as politically incorrect to some. So be it. It was simply an observation that many illegal immigrants are enabled by employers to stay in the USA. I wasn’t surprised that this employer was the brother of a prominent republican.

And that's the funny part. They post article after article about illegals but never seem to talk about the people that hire them which supports their staying here. lol

They enabled a rapist and murder. It’s a federal crime to hire illegals.

I know logic escapes you, but I'll explain. the laugh is about the irony that you never try to hold employers accountable.

Secondly, hiring an illegal is just as criminal as an illegal crossing the border. You have just decided which criminals to focus on.

I've had discussions on this very board about the value (or lack thereof) in political correctness. I find it virtually valueless to worry about being politically correct. I feel if someone is of genuine conviction that they don't need to be PC, because they will have a good heart. PC is like hiding behind a set of rules; it's bad faith. So my direction at you had no will toward you being nicer or more PC. I feel that being kind is actually rather useless to getting things done. Empathy is very useful, and sometimes it appears as kindness. But kindness of itself? No.

Yet there's a difference between being PC, non PC and just being an azzhat.

This doesn't and isn't in reference to either of you. I've just seen often times that people use the reasoning that they aren't PC as an excuse to be rude azzhats and wanted to point out that there's a difference.

Whatever. One crime is constantly ignored while the other is constantly politicized.

The farm did an E Verify on him and he was somehow 'fine'. What more could the farm do?

Could that be because people on our side are stuck with the wrong questions? That we're essentially playing by the rules that have been set by immigration hardliners over the years?

Yes, we could say the answer to the immigration problem is to punish the employer. But that is playing into hardliner immigration rhetoric. We should be asking more fundamental questions about why we restrict immigration so much in the first place, and how we went from being a nation of "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” to a nation of ICE and deportation courts. Punishing the employer doesn't work politically when we have millions of people here who didn't go through the proper system. And punishing the immigrants doesn't work when our system is handicapped beyond repair.

Democrats are so concerned with not appearing soft on immigration that in the end, they actually play into the hardliner's minefield. Anytime a democrat says a line like "I'm not trying to be soft on immigration, but" I want to scream. As long as they are willing to play by the GOP immigration game, immigrants will continue to be considered as second class citizens politically.

I think we need to deport all those here illegally, but I also think we need to make our immigration system fast tracked to those who are coming here legally. maybe the immigration courts would work faster for those trying legally, if they weren't bogged down with illegal cases??? IDK, am just spit balling here - one might not do with the other. I do like the idea that the employers need to be punished and fined as well for hiring illegals.

Regardless of those facts, a person is dead that would have been avoided if this guy was not here. That is still a fact no one can deny.

Pit doesn't care if they did , it's always the US citizens fault never the Illegal fault.