Did you say anything or did you just repost our convo?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
From the article (and note, I don't know if the link above will stay the same - sometimes CNN's automatic 'lead' to a new story confounds me) "In applying for the job, Rivera provided a state ID and Social Security card that was verified through the Social Security Administration's verification system, according to Lang. But those forms of ID were not of Rivera, he said."
welp, im sure the courts will know what the truth is.
so *this is a shame and he should be executed* but if this dude is indeed here legally....a lot of these comments in this thread is gonna be of the lol variety.
I believe they are saying the company hired him legally, as they ran his info through the system, and it came back clean. But he was an illegal, he gave them fake information.
Question as well, If I provide a fake SSN or fake documents to an employer, I can go to jail for identify theft, yet 10 million people do this illegally, and the left gives them a pass for it.....
FYI The Employeer used an old system to verify him. They aren’t exactly off the hook here. I’m betting they have other illegals working there as well. Time to crack down these shady employers who exploit an enable illegals.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Treated the same as all the rest of us and with equality.
Spoken like a true pale face through a forked tongue. You do realize the rest of us aren’t exactly treated with equality right? Hence the kneeling thingy.
Spoken like a racist who thinks he deserves better treatment than the rest of us. I'm for equality, not privileged or disadvantaged. That might be too lofty a goal since many people seem to prefer self destructive behaviors but hey at least it's a shot in the right direction. Still even if the parents are dumb as rocks I still dream of saving the kids. It all starts with baby steps ...
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Hit a nerve aye? So you really don’t care if we aren’t all treated like everyone else?
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding there. What I want is for everyone to be treated equally. I don't care about race or ethnicity. We are all human beings and should be treated as such.
For example, if you break the law then you should be punished according to the law. People who come here illegally have broken the law and should be punished accordingly the same as anyone else who breaks the law.
I understand that the practice does not always meet the principle but that does not mean we abandon the principle but rather that we should improve the practice of the principle until the principle is met and not use failure as a justification for more failure.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Hit a nerve aye? So you really don’t care if we aren’t all treated like everyone else?
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding there. What I want is for everyone to be treated equally. I don't care about race or ethnicity. We are all human beings and should be treated as such.
For example, if you break the law then you should be punished according to the law. People who come here illegally have broken the law and should be punished accordingly the same as anyone else who breaks the law.
I understand that the practice does not always meet the principle but that does not mean we abandon the principle but rather that we should improve the practice of the principle until the principle is met and not use failure as a justification for more failure.
This back and forth started about native Americans right? Anyways it’s off track now.
I don’t think we’ll ever be treated equally when hiring laws are ignored by law inforcement and employers. While immigration laws are politicized at the highest level of our government.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Lol. Glad you agree. Now you and every level of the govt need to stop ignoring the employers who break the same laws who enable these murderers to stay in the USA.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Who has ever said they shouldn't hold them responsible....ill wait for a link
btw, you cant hire them if they are not here to begin with
Lol ok bro. It’s being ignored nationwide. It has been for years but nobody ever says boo about employers.
The ole chicken and the egg scenario? Whatever.
Who’s enabling them to come here for work? U.S. EMPLOYERS. Who needs their cheap labor? U.S. EMPLOYERS. Stop ignoring the fact that these employers are as equally guilty. But you don’t care about equality either do you?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
California and other blue states, they have been crying about it since trump took office. "why not let them in, they are doing the jobs americans don't want to do" sound familiar?
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Stop ignoring the fact that these employers are as equally guilty.
Still waiting on your link where I ever said they were not partially responsible, but we all know how you lie after lie, with nothing to back it up on a daily basis. Idk why I even both with you anymore, your not worth the time it takes to hit a keystroke. a joke, nothing more.
equality? is that when a person with lesser qualifications gets a job over someone else simply because of the skin? that equality? ohhhhhhh, you don't want equality, you just want whats going to better yourself. which is cool, as humans we are all wired that way chemically. you just don't have a ..... guts to admit it, and want to hide behind a false flag saying that makes you feel warm and fuzzy. you don't care about equality for all, you only care about yourself and your own race, which ironically, sounds a lot like the Nazi party.
The Native Americans should've deported everyone who illegally took their land. We should work on deporting their ancestors next.
Not to be a butt, but Native Americans didn't evolve from the muck here. They migrated from somewhere as well. Then Europeans came and basically waged war and took the land.
One day, maybe Mexico will rise up and take the U.S.A., but until then, there are illegal citizens and legal citizens.
I'd also like to add, that the Native Americans were fighting and killing each other long before Europeans arrived. War amongst humans of different tribes, nations, ethnicity has been going on since we stood up on 2 legs.
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We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Still waiting on your link where I ever said they were not partially responsible.
You still don’t get it. You see they aren’t partially responsible they are equally responsible. And you speak about equality when you can’t even comprend or understand the meaning of equality or care to, according to your posts.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Still waiting on your link where I ever said they were not partially responsible.
You still don’t get it. You see they aren’t partially responsible they are equally responsible. And you speak about equality when you can’t even comprend or understand the meaning of equality or care to, according to your posts.
I don't know about all that, but I guarantee I can't "comprend" it. Sounds like someone more than doubling their taxes when there was a tax cut.
Lol. Glad you agree. Now you and every level of the govt need to stop ignoring the employers who break the same laws who enable these murderers to stay in the USA.
I can agree with that 100%. We have laws so let them be enforced or removed from the books.
The way I feel about Native Americans are that they are Americans same as the rest of us. I view reservations the same way I view churches, which is to say, they are places that represent a lifestyle/religion. Churches are tax exempt so I am fine with reservations having that same right. I just don't agree with any special privilege or penalty for them based on race. They should be treated as full American citizens. Nothing more and certainly nothing less. I also understand it's a big sloppy mess to deal with but like I said earlier I believe in pursuing the principle till it's a reality instead of viewing the world as broken and unfixable so let's do nothing.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
One day, maybe Mexico will rise up and take the U.S.A.
The USA took lands from Mexico during the Mexican war.
We conquered Mexico. We just didn't want all of it. We had already conquered their capital when we signed the peace treaty. How badly did that work out for them
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
One day, maybe Mexico will rise up and take the U.S.A.
The USA took lands from Mexico during the Mexican war.
We conquered Mexico. We just didn't want all of it. We had already conquered their capital when we signed the peace treaty. How badly did that work out for them
LOL...RIGHT! You need a history lesson bro. The USA took those lands from Mexico for gold and silver in Calif, Nevada and Colorado which helped fund the civil war not to conquer Mexico.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
One day, maybe Mexico will rise up and take the U.S.A.
The USA took lands from Mexico during the Mexican war.
We conquered Mexico. We just didn't want all of it. We had already conquered their capital when we signed the peace treaty. How badly did that work out for them
LOL...RIGHT! You need a history lesson bro. The USA took those lands from Mexico for gold and silver in Calif, Nevada and Colorado which helped fund the civil war not to conquer Mexico.
smfh... "We conquered Mexico. We just didn't want all of it."
Oh, that's right I forgot how the US conquistadors corps conquered Mexico...
Razor still has this colonist mindset that everybody is oppressed, and the only people that can help is christian white people.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Razor still has this colonist mindset that everybody is oppressed, and the only people that can help is christian white people.
Put the pot down, it's got you flying too high today because your talking out the wrong place.
It's a historical fact that Mexico was conquered by us in the war. We just didn't know it when we signed the peace treaty due to there being slow communications back then. We could have easily gone back and finished things and broken the treaty(ask the indians) but we already had what we wanted so we didn't.
Mexico is the one that lost out on that one. Their people suffer constantly because of how horrible their drug cartel government runs things. They wouldn't be working at slave wages either.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Still waiting on your link where I ever said they were not partially responsible.
You still don’t get it. You see they aren’t partially responsible they are equally responsible. And you speak about equality when you can’t even comprend or understand the meaning of equality or care to, according to your posts.
I don't know about all that, but I guarantee I can't "comprend" it. Sounds like someone more than doubling their taxes when there was a tax cut.
I don’t know about all that. Nor do I still know about all that.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Razor still has this colonist mindset that everybody is oppressed, and the only people that can help is christian white people.
Put the pot down, it's got you flying too high today because your talking out the wrong place.
It's a historical fact that Mexico was conquered by us in the war. We just didn't know it when we signed the peace treaty due to there being slow communications back then. We could have easily gone back and finished things and broken the treaty(ask the indians) but we already had what we wanted so we didn't.
Mexico is the one that lost out on that one. Their people suffer constantly because of how horrible their drug cartel government runs things. They wouldn't be working at slave wages either.
Razor, stop embarrassing yourself. Read this:
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Originally Posted By: Swish
Razor still has this colonist mindset that everybody is oppressed, and the only people that can help is christian white people.
Put the pot down, it's got you flying too high today because your talking out the wrong place.
It's a historical fact that Mexico was conquered by us in the war. We just didn't know it when we signed the peace treaty due to there being slow communications back then. We could have easily gone back and finished things and broken the treaty(ask the indians) but we already had what we wanted so we didn't.
Mexico is the one that lost out on that one. Their people suffer constantly because of how horrible their drug cartel government runs things. They wouldn't be working at slave wages either.
We paid for the land. We paid Americans that were wronged by Mexico in the war. It was part of 'Manifest Destiny' and our leaders fought about it. Some wanted to annex Mexico, other were against the expansion.
At no time did we subjugate or enslave the Mexican people, at no time did we take their land by force... we won a war. We did not conquer Mexico. They sued for peace and terms to end the war, there IS a difference.
Razor still has this colonist mindset that everybody is oppressed, and the only people that can help is christian white people.
Put the pot down, it's got you flying too high today because your talking out the wrong place.
It's a historical fact that Mexico was conquered by us in the war. We just didn't know it when we signed the peace treaty due to there being slow communications back then. We could have easily gone back and finished things and broken the treaty(ask the indians) but we already had what we wanted so we didn't.
Mexico is the one that lost out on that one. Their people suffer constantly because of how horrible their drug cartel government runs things. They wouldn't be working at slave wages either.
Razor, stop embarrassing yourself. Read this:
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
Originally Posted By: Swish
Razor still has this colonist mindset that everybody is oppressed, and the only people that can help is christian white people.
Put the pot down, it's got you flying too high today because your talking out the wrong place.
It's a historical fact that Mexico was conquered by us in the war. We just didn't know it when we signed the peace treaty due to there being slow communications back then. We could have easily gone back and finished things and broken the treaty(ask the indians) but we already had what we wanted so we didn't.
Mexico is the one that lost out on that one. Their people suffer constantly because of how horrible their drug cartel government runs things. They wouldn't be working at slave wages either.
We paid for the land. We paid Americans that were wronged by Mexico in the war. It was part of 'Manifest Destiny' and our leaders fought about it. Some wanted to annex Mexico, other were against the expansion.
At no time did we subjugate or enslave the Mexican people, at no time did we take their land by force... we won a war. We did not conquer Mexico. They sued for peace and terms to end the war, there IS a difference.
By all means the ultimate source ... wikipedia sigh.
Mexico city was conquered. It surrendered. The problem was that we signed the peace treaty with out knowing that. Like I said, we could have easily ignored the treaty we had just signed and just accepted their surrender. We just didn't want Mexico back then. We got what we wanted and left what we didn't. Although it is of interest to note that president Polk didn't want to end the war and the actual treaty was forced on him by a rogue diplomat who refused to give up on peace talks even though he was ordered to stop the talks and come back home. I can't remember that diplomat's name though off the top of my head. He was fired shortly afterwards for doing it though since he signed it against orders. The diplomat didn't even know we had captured Mexico's capital. What an idiot. So yeah, actually we did have them subjugated but ended up letting them go because of an idiot diplomat who disobeyed his president.
We ended up with all the land we tried to buy peacefully before the war and quite a bit extra to boot. I mean we took over half their land. I don't think there has been a more profitable war for the US in all its history. LOL and the comanches saw Mexico as weak and pathetic so they raided and robbed them mercilessly for the next 50 odd years afterwards too LOL!
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Well if the murderer committed fraud along with murder they can just tack on a few more years. I mean it's not like illegals never use false IDs and fake SSNs right?
I have no problem with idea of worker visas. I do have a problem with a worker visa that lets them have kids and gain a shortcut to citizenship through their kids though.
At some point we will have to catch up to the modern world on being a citizen. We are no longer a country trying to conquer a wilderness but rather a country that has the oldest continuously running government. At this point just being born here should not be enough but rather being born to parents who are actual citizens. Once you do that then you gain a LOT more flexibility with work visas.
I also have no problems with work visas leading to a path of citizenship after say 15 years of no criminal involvement. The regular path takes 10 years and costs thousands of dollars.
When it comes to amnesty I'd offer a temporary work visa of 5 years and say,"OK, lets see what you can do." We will offer English lessons online for free at your public library or local participating school. If you can learn english and find a job in 5 years ... well then we gotta send you back. I mean if your motivated you will do what you need to do. It's really just that simple.
I can say this though. Those who sneak into my house might end up dead because I will defend me and mine.
Well that certainly isn't the position of the President or Republican party.
What we have is a pathetic system. And a need for people to do the work. You can't get a work visa for many of the types of jobs that have the highest demand, and employers don't want e verify or other methods that would require additional taxes be paid to the government. Stories about large firms paying workers in cash, and those working below minimum abound. The Tibbets story underscore how the system is configured.
Most of the statistics show that illegals are less likely to commit criminal acts. They do not want risk deportation.
Well, I am not a republican =) I'm not a democrat either =)
I don't like businesses using illegal aliens as slave labor in the sense it would cost more to upkeep a slave than it is how some of these people are treated. I don't like how it lets businesses think they can get away with allowing imported labor to drastically reduce competitive wages.
The problem is not that people are unwilling to do certain jobs. It's that they just want to be paid what the work is worth.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
And that's what a lot of liberals seem to miss here. Having a huge influx of people willing to work for next to nothing will only act to help keep wages lower. It works to create the opposite action to what so many claim to want, higher wages.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
And that's what a lot of liberals seem to miss here. Having a huge influx of people willing to work for next to nothing will only act to help keep wages lower. It works to create the opposite action to what so many claim to want, higher wages.
I say that and get called a racist for it. Funny thing is, they claim to be for the working man too...
WE DON'T NEED A QB BEFORE WE GET A LINE THAT CAN PROTECT HIM my two cents...
And that's what a lot of liberals seem to miss here. Having a huge influx of people willing to work for next to nothing will only act to help keep wages lower. It works to create the opposite action to what so many claim to want, higher wages.
I say that and get called a racist for it. Funny thing is, they claim to be for the working man too...
Meh, before the immigrants it was the hillbillies moving to the cities. Before the hillbillies it was a migration from the rural south to Northern Industries. Before that it was an influx of European immigrants... There will always be somebody willing to work for less because they don't have what you have and want it for themselves.
I don't like the bad side of unions, but the side that negotiates better wages I'm all for. Right now we are all just born economic slaves. Some don't like that terminology but it fits unless you are born into a family that has so much money that you can afford to only do what interests you and have no worries of the economic impact on your life.
One day, maybe Mexico will rise up and take the U.S.A.
The USA took lands from Mexico during the Mexican war.
We conquered Mexico. We just didn't want all of it. We had already conquered their capital when we signed the peace treaty. How badly did that work out for them
LOL...RIGHT! You need a history lesson bro. The USA took those lands from Mexico for gold and silver in Calif, Nevada and Colorado which helped fund the civil war not to conquer Mexico.
I don't agree with that.
Cotton funded the USA for a long time. It, along with Tobacco were our prime export items for a long time.
You have heard the term "King Cotton".
We were able to grow a lot of it and the world wanted a lot of it.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Well, I am not a republican =) I'm not a democrat either =)
I don't like businesses using illegal aliens as slave labor in the sense it would cost more to upkeep a slave than it is how some of these people are treated. I don't like how it lets businesses think they can get away with allowing imported labor to drastically reduce competitive wages.
The problem is not that people are unwilling to do certain jobs. It's that they just want to be paid what the work is worth.
I always found it ironic, that the left is constantly screaming about higher wages, yet want illegal immigrants to be able to freely work in the US, for lower wages - which in turn, keeps wages down.
I was always taught to judge a person by not what they say, but by what they do......
Sources for that? My understanding is that if you had higher wages (whether that's $15 min wage or something else), combined with a path to citizenship, then that means those who become naturalized would then be earning the same minimum wage as everyone else. Right now, they are off the books, so you pay them under the table. As part of that verbal agreement, the employer can pay quite a bit under minimum wage and not worry about the worker ratting on him to the authorities.
If you're saying that the left wants to keep illegal immigrants illegal and making under the minimum wage, that's a strong charge indeed. One that I'd like to see backed up with more than just rhetoric.
Sources for that? My understanding is that if you had higher wages (whether that's $15 min wage or something else), combined with a path to citizenship, then that means those who become naturalized would then be earning the same minimum wage as everyone else. Right now, they are off the books, so you pay them under the table. As part of that verbal agreement, the employer can pay quite a bit under minimum wage and not worry about the worker ratting on him to the authorities.
If you're saying that the left wants to keep illegal immigrants illegal and making under the minimum wage, that's a strong charge indeed. One that I'd like to see backed up with more than just rhetoric.
"They do the jobs Americans wont do" - I.E. they do the jobs that we don't want to pay much for.
As far as an actual quote or statistic, probably hard to find. But again, their actions are more than their words.
Is the California case used to specifically guarantee cheap immigrant labor, or is it to protect illegal immigrants from further becoming a criminal class?
Also the Democrats had 48 votes on their version of a DACA deal. The Republicans had two DACA deals and couldn't come to an agreement between either of them. Why couldn't 3 Republicans and the President walk across the aisle to help those DACA kids?
In the spirit of posters like Vambo who use articles that contain isolated incidents as scare tactics against an entire group of people, I think we should deport all the people in this country who play video games.
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Sheriff: Gunman kills 2, then himself at video game tourney Associated Press RUSS BYNUM and BRENDAN FARRINGTON,Associated Press 13 hours ago
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A gunman opened fire Sunday at an online video game tournament as it was being livestreamed from a Florida mall, killing two people and then fatally shooting himself in a rampage that wounded several others, authorities said.
Jacksonville Sheriff Mike Williams said authorities believe 24-year-old David Katz of Baltimore carried out the attack using at least one handgun at the Jacksonville Landing, a collection of restaurants and shops along the St. Johns River. Williams said the man died from a self-inflicted gunshot, adding final confirmation of the suspect's identity was pending as the FBI in Baltimore aided in the investigation.
Nine other people were wounded by gunfire and all were in stable condition Sunday evening after being taken to hospitals, Williams said. He added that two others were injured in the rush to flee the gunfire.
Katz was in Jacksonville for the "Madden NFL 19" video game tournament, authorities said. The games maker, EA Sports, lists a David Katz as a 2017 championship winner.
The competition was held in a gaming bar that shares space with a pizzeria. Viewers could watch the games online and see the players.
Investigators were looking into an online video that appeared to capture the scene right before the shooting began, Williams said. A red dot that appears to be a laser pointer is visible on the chest of a player seconds before the first of about a dozen gunshots rings out.
Marquis Williams, 28, and his girlfriend, Taylor Poindexter, 26, both from Chicago, were ordering pizza at the bar when they heard the first shot around 1:30 p.m. on what had begun as a quiet Sunday afternoon.
"Initially we thought it was a balloon popping, but there weren't any balloons in the room," said Williams, who had taken part in the tournament earlier. "Then we heard repeat shots and we took off running."
He added: "The first shot everybody just turned and looked. After the second, third and fourth shots, everybody took off and ran for the exits."
Poindexter, an aspiring gamer, said she had gone to seek experience at the tournament. She never saw the face of the shooter, but added, "We did see him with two hands on a gun walking back just popping rounds."
It was then, they said, that people trampled others in the panic to escape. Both ran to a nearby restaurant where workers were waving people inside. They hid in a bathroom until police arrived.
Jason Lake, the founder and CEO of compLexity, a company that owns professional esports teams, said on Twitter that one of his players, 19-year-old Drini Gjoka, was shot in the thumb.
Gjoka tweeted: "The tourney just got shot up. Im leavinng and never coming back." Then: "I am literally so lucky. The bullet hit my thumb. Worst day of my life."
On Sunday evening, the FBI said, its agents searched a family home of the man authorities believed was behind the attack.
Heavily armed agents, some in bulletproof vests and brandishing long guns, could be seen entering an upscale townhome complex near Baltimore's Inner Harbor.
An FBI spokesman, Dave Fitz, confirmed that agents had gone to the house of the man's father in Baltimore. He declined to release specifics, citing the ongoing investigation. T.J. Smith, chief spokesman for the Baltimore Police Department, also said that agency was assisting law enforcement partners "with some information that has led authorities to Baltimore."
In Washington, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said President Donald Trump had been briefed on the attack and the White House was monitoring the situation.
The Jacksonville Landing, in the heart of the city's downtown, also hosts concerts and other entertainment. It was the site of a Trump rally in 2015, early in his campaign for the White House.
The sheriff's office used Twitter and Facebook immediately after the shooting to warn people to stay far away and to ask anyone who was hiding to call 911. Police also barricaded a three-block radius around the mall and sent in a SWAT team and bomb squad experts to secure the area. Police also took up positions on a bridge spanning the river with a view of the area.
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Farrington reported from Tallahassee, Florida. Associated Press Writer Tamara Lush contributed to this report from the Tampa area and Laura Heald from Jacksonville, Florida.
I don’t know about all that. Nor do I still know about all that.
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