The point remains. Why should Urban have fired Smith due to allegations? Why would he not rely on the police? I have a huge problem w/people being punished before a trial occurs.
But Urban is not being punished legally. The legal system and the system of rules an employer has in place are two separate entities. I really do get what you are saying, and for the most part agree,but a company/organization is not bound by a criminal court of laws investigation. If anything they would be more along the lines of civil. If any litigation were to come form this, it would be civil, not criminal.
As far as Urban, he is being punished for not reporting the allegations. Which he has admitted to. Put it to you like this. You were a teacher. If someone came to you and said one of the parents of one of your students is beating them at home, what is your responsibility? Even though it is an unproven allegation, you are required to report it .
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Its my understanding that he did report it in accordance with the rules. I think he is being sanctioned because of being less than truthful to the media when asked about it at a Big Ten football presser. He is also being pilloried in the media for "not doing something about it" and for not firing the guy sooner. The problem Meyer had is that no charges were ever brought against the coach that could be considered "actionable" in terms of the coach's employment.
Its my understanding that he did report it in accordance with the rules. I think he is being sanctioned because of being less than truthful to the media when asked about it at a Big Ten football presser. He is also being pilloried in the media for "not doing something about it" and for not firing the guy sooner. The problem Meyer had is that no charges were ever brought against the coach that could be considered "actionable" in terms of the coach's employment.
Just imagine if, after the allegation at OSU, which the cops investigated - if Urban had fired Smith immediately.
The media would've been all over that: Asst. Coach fired for no reason. "Asst. Coach fired, What is Urban doing?" Etc, etc.
Allegations should be taken seriously, no doubt. My understanding is Urban did report it at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong.
Lying to the media? Doesn't that happen daily, in all walks of life?
This just in: All you have to do to get a head coach suspended is file a report with the cops that one of his assistants did something to you. When investigated and found to be not credible, the University board will suspend the head coach.
The investigators couldn't figure out when he turned on autodeletion of texts.
Sometime August 1st, after the article came out.
They couldn't determine if that was the case, just that the coaches talked about it. I would assume he has always had them on since he's a college football recruiter, runs a team of 100 or so guys, and is a sociable guy, and receives and sends a lot of texts throughout the day.
So let me get my Scarlet and Grey goggles on here...
During practice on August 1st, Coach Meyer becomes aware of some negative media regarding his knowledge of the 2015 incident. At this point he asks a coach how to delete old emails.
Even with my Scarlet and Grey goggles on, I cannot see how this isn't sketchy.
Yeah right.
Go back to the Michigan Board.
But listen, Jim Harbaugh can't lose every game he every coaches against the Buckeyes.
Or can he?
Why don't you put your goggles on and troll the Wisconsin Board? The Badgers are supposed to be real good this year.
Not a Michigan fan! I was registered here long before this happened.
Being involved at the level u are/were U bring a unique perspective to the surronding circumstances ... thanks for that .... when your not calling me a racist i actually enjoy reading u ... *L* ...
Its all about the money train ... the Bucks let the world know they only cared about winning when they hired Urban ... he was a SCUMBAG and POS at Florida ... u dont replace Tressel and his BS with someone as shady as Urban LIAR ( a name well earned over the years .. ) unless u only care about one thing ...
he was the bottom of the barrel in the bottom of the barrel worst conference when it came to recruiting .. how he treated the kids on his team was DISGUISTING ... the lies start with that man with the first convo and for some the lies didn’t stop til the day they leave ...
Not sure exactly what your involvement is/was ... but if u were close to the atheletic departments u know exactly what i mean when i talk about “preferential treatment” for some and the lies and deception that goes on with the kids inside a program ...
i have NO CLUE where the fault lies with this nightmare ... what i am almost positive of is at some point in the next 5 years or so ... the Bucks will be in a pickle due to Urban ... u lay in bed with a snake and your gonna get bitten ... it just ain’t happend yet ...
Being involved at the level u are/were U bring a unique perspective to the surrounding circumstances ... thanks for that .... when you're not calling me a racist I actually enjoy reading u ... *L* ...
There are a few people on this board who I go out my way to read a post when I see that person was the last to comment on a thread, and its usually because I know I will have an enjoyable exchange with them. You, and I already told Vers, are definitely two of those people. Arch used to be one too but he gets so butthurt anymore that is not fun anymore so I dont want to mess with him and hurt his feelings anymore.
But we agree on Urban, and let me say this. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for Coach Tressel. One of my highlights was a few years ago we were playing at YSU and I was up in the stands setting up our game film camera for one of our managers and Coach Tressel sat down right next to me (he's the president of YSU) and I got to chat with him for a few minutes and got a pic with him.
SO with that said. I was extremely disappointed that we hired Meyer. ts hard to complain with all the winning, but to me , having a personal involvement with it, college athletics should be about so much more. But I guess I am a dreamer and an idealist.
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An Ohio State trustee has resigned, saying a three-game suspension of the football coach Urban Meyer should have been more “profound” for his mishandling of domestic violence accusations against an assistant coach and for tolerating years of the assistant’s misbehavior.
The trustee, Jeffrey Wadsworth, said in an interview on Thursday that he stepped down from the board shortly after the university announced Mr. Meyer’s punishment last week.
“I didn’t feel that I’d seen high-integrity behavior,” Mr. Wadsworth said of Mr. Meyer.
He said he was the “lone voice” of dissent in advocating for a harsher punishment, but declined to specify what he proposed or to speak in great detail about the closed-door negotiations, saying he wanted to respect the confidential words of board members.
“Most people were concerned about whether it was a several-game suspension or not,” he said.
“To me,” he added, “there was something altogether wrong about reducing it to a couple of games.”
Mr. Wadsworth, a retired engineering executive, is the first of the 20 board members to speak publicly about the outcome of a university investigation that concluded Mr. Meyer had failed to fulfill obligations to report allegations of domestic violence against the assistant coach, Zach Smith, to other university officials.
The inquiry also found that Mr. Meyer had sought to delete records from his cellphone. And it found that Mr. Smith’s behavior, including failure to pay cellphone bills, a stint in rehab for substance abuse and “promiscuous and embarrassing sexual behavior” raised several other red flags. Mr. Smith has denied ever abusing his former wife, who made the allegations.
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Subscribe to The Times Investigators found discrepancies between Mr. Meyer’s account of some events and others’, and in at least one instance suggested that Mr. Meyer had lied to them.
“You read the report,” Mr. Wadsworth said, “and there’s seven or eight things about emails, memory loss, hearing things five times, and to me, that raised an issue of standards, values — not how many games someone should be suspended for.”
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A ‘Generationally Perpetuated’ Pattern: Daughters Do More Chores Mr. Wadsworth, a former board chairman, said he emailed a short resignation letter to the university president, Michael V. Drake, and the board chairman, Michael J. Gasser, about an hour after the outcome was announced at a news conference that followed last Wednesday’s nearly 12-hour board meeting.
Image Students walked on the Ohio State campus this week.CreditMaddie McGarvey for The New York Times In a statement on Thursday regarding Mr. Wadsworth, the university said: “The president and the board of trustees had a frank and comprehensive discussion last week. A wide variety of perspectives were expressed in reaching a consensus. Mr. Wadsworth has been an exceptionally valuable member of the board. His service to the university is deeply appreciated, and we wish him the very best.”
Mr. Wadsworth said he left the meeting a few hours after it began at a lunch break and did not know the result until it was announced.
“It became clear to me where we were, discussing penalties, and I wasn’t ready to do that,” he said, explaining his early departure. “I was in a different place.”
He “had larger concerns,” he said: “I felt that getting into a limited number of games that was a suspension missed the point of a bigger cultural concern about ‘What message were we sending?’ ”
The meeting began with remarks from Mr. Drake, and was followed by the trustees going around the room and offering their own opinions, Mr. Wadsworth said.
Although there was a sense that there was a “range of options, from doing nothing to firing” Mr. Meyer, Mr. Wadsworth said, “that is different than deliberating it,” and the board quickly settled on a discussion of a suspension.
The tone of the meeting remained respectful, he said, but he felt he needed to resign because he could not defend the outcome. In contrast, he said, there was a public budget vote a few months ago on which he was the lone “nay.”
Mr. Wadsworth said he believed the punishment came across as lenient, citing several articles that came out afterward, including a USA Today column with the headline, “It’s Urban Meyer University Now.”
“I read all these articles,” Mr. Wadsworth said, “and I’m embarrassed.”
Mr. Wadsworth, who was appointed to the board by a former Ohio governor, Ted Strickland, and whose term was to have ended next year, retired last year as president and chief executive of Battelle Memorial Institute. Battelle, which is based in Columbus, is a nonprofit that explores new technologies. While at Battelle, Mr. Wadsworth managed several United States Department of Energy laboratories and was also the director of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
On Wednesday, Mr. Smith, who was fired on July 23 by Mr. Meyer and the athletic director, Gene Smith, after a misdemeanor trespassing charge and a protection order against him were reported, broke his silence with an extended, angry thread of tweets. He accused the news media and his ex-wife, Courtney Smith, of misrepresenting events.
He wrote on Twitter: “Let’s talk FACTS since so many people (mainly opposing fanbase’s fans) want to talk,” he said. “1. My kids are suffering because of all this (most important) 2. I never beat my wife 3. OSU botched the investigation and worse the ‘punishment.’ ”
It seems the three game suspension was the worst possible decision. They admitted that Urban Meyer did something wrong, but didn't really say what. They should have either let him off clean or fired him, now people are going to keep digging.
It seems the three game suspension was the worst possible decision. They admitted that Urban Meyer did something wrong, but didn't really say what. They should have either let him off clean or fired him, now people are going to keep digging.
Doubtful. ESPNGHAZI had their last shot two days ago and blew it. Things will continue as if they never happened.
It seems the three game suspension was the worst possible decision. They admitted that Urban Meyer did something wrong, but didn't really say what. They should have either let him off clean or fired him, now people are going to keep digging.
They could dig til the cows come home ... it dont matter ...
There going to keep the CASH COW GOING ... nuttin’s gonna get in the way of that ...
OSU is a football factory that only cares about $$$$ ... they along with a BOATLOAD of other schools could care less about there ATHELETES ... putting the word student in front of athelete when it comes to football or basketball is a JOKE at best ...
The entire SEC .. 3 or 4 PAC 12 schools ... MOST of the Big 12 and a handful of others in your conference ... there nothing but FOOTBALL FACTORIES that could care less about anythng else but REVENUE ...
And thats OK .. but can we please be honest about it .. thats all ... lets just be honest about it ... OSU went from Tressell to Urban ... thats like going from dating a crack addict to a hooker to clean up your dating habits ... not very affective ... the day they hired Urban they made it clear what there priorities were ...
GREAT FOOTBALL COACH .... horrible horrible for someone setting an example and teaching and leading YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE MEN ...
Guys like Urban and Saban and a boatload of others have the ethics of a Bernie Maddoff ...
It seems the three game suspension was the worst possible decision. They admitted that Urban Meyer did something wrong, but didn't really say what. They should have either let him off clean or fired him, now people are going to keep digging.
Urban should not have been suspended for even a game. This entire thing was a farce. College football teams like OSU are easy targets for those who are resentful of their successes and try and blow things out of proportion.
I will NEVER, EVER agree to people saying a man who isn't proven guilty being fired for something like public relations. Organizations cover their ass all the time by firing people or forcing them to resign w/out due process, but it's total BS!
I actually applaud Urban for not firing the guy when the evidence points to the wife lying and trying to take others down due to her jealousy.
Lives are being destroyed and forever altered in a negative way over false claims and an eager media and jealous fans that want to slander others.
Guys like Urban and Saban and a boatload of others have the ethics of a Bernie Maddoff ...
Wrong.
Guys like Urban and Saban have fine ethics.
They work within the ethical confines and expectations of their jobs as FBS college head coaches.
Don't like it?
Don't blame them.
I’d say this is just another example of U being U ... but this time your actually wrong ...
These guys all play within the rules until they GET CAUGHT ... see JIM TRESSELL ...
He had me hoodwinked .. let me guess rock ... you knew all along ... ...
PS. I’m pretty sure there JOB REQUIRMENTS don’t include lying to HS juniors and seniors or a bunch of other decisions they make in how to run there programs ...
Its called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY rock .... those guys can choose to LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH OR NOT ...
Kinda like Dershowitz and Johniee defending OJ ... of the “don” defending all the mafia hit men... those are PERSONAL CHOICES those men made to PUT MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS ...
To each there own rock ... if u wanna take the stance that there jobs force them to be SCUMBAGS ... thats your call rock ... me ... i’ll Hold them accountable for their own actions ...
Urban should not have been suspended for even a game. This entire thing was a farce. College football teams like OSU are easy targets for those who are resentful of their successes and try and blow things out of proportion.
I will NEVER, EVER agree to people saying a man who isn't proven guilty being fired for something like public relations. Organizations cover their ass all the time by firing people or forcing them to resign w/out due process, but it's total BS!
I actually applaud Urban for not firing the guy when the evidence points to the wife lying and trying to take others down due to her jealousy.
Lives are being destroyed and forever altered in a negative way over false claims and an eager media and jealous fans that want to slander others.
How long will you play this game of morality twister? Surely your back is hurting with how obtuse you've been between this thread and the Mychael Kendricks thread.
Clouding up here. rain should be here by 2 pm, streets are empty except for Walmart must be gameday
hopefully buckeyes are up big by then
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Urban should not have been suspended for even a game. This entire thing was a farce. College football teams like OSU are easy targets for those who are resentful of their successes and try and blow things out of proportion.
I will NEVER, EVER agree to people saying a man who isn't proven guilty being fired for something like public relations. Organizations cover their ass all the time by firing people or forcing them to resign w/out due process, but it's total BS!
I actually applaud Urban for not firing the guy when the evidence points to the wife lying and trying to take others down due to her jealousy.
Lives are being destroyed and forever altered in a negative way over false claims and an eager media and jealous fans that want to slander others.
Care to explain why Urban deleted texts as soon as news of the report broke? And evidence points to Zach Smith being a scumbag. It sounds like both he and his wife were toxic, but obviously something was going on because Urban's wife talked about how he scared her.
Urban is far from clean in this. I honestly don't know if he should have been fired or not, but an employer doesn't have to give it to process on anything. It isn't a trial.
I vote for no more talk of the Zak Smith garbage, its gameday which means there is a game today. Lets talk of players , how Dobbins , Bosa and Haskins look, how the O line looks discussion of other games. No more Urban should have done this or that what he did or didn't know, blah blah blah. I am so ready to see how Day coaches and see players running around inside the shoe. Have a different thread for the political side of the drama.
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