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Momentum = velocity x mass. a 290lb man has a lot of momentum for a 190lb CB to absorb.
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Exactly. And that is why guys bounce off of the ball carrier so often. However, if you wrap them up, their feet slow down and at the very worst, they trip over you.
I don't care how Williams and others in the NFL teach it. I'm saying they are wrong. Wrapping a guy up is far more effective than hurling oneself through the air. And again, "cutting" guys is going to lead to more penalties. They were showing some of the penalties this preseason on TV earlier. Most of them were because guys were diving at guys low.
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Sometimes when I read this Board I am astounded.
Ward already is an integral part of of the defense.
I’m with U ... kids a baller ... u can tell ... I haven’t really commented much ... its pre-season and we haven’t seen much ... I’ve not really seen anyone else mention it ... What do u think of our team speed on D? .... i’m very impressed with it ... is it just me or do u notice it also ... Also ... what did u think of BBC at FS? ... it seemed to me like he was all over the place ... i’d Like to see more ... your thoughts on that please ... Vers ... please share your thoughts on the above two subjects ...
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How many times have folks complained about Haden not wrapping up, trying to always hit with a shoulder, only to miss.
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I disagree. You can go low, but you should still wrap. Dudes can't run w/out their feet. I think Williams is wrong on this one. Think about how many times announcers and fans have complained about poor tackling in the modern game. Launching your body like a missile only to bounce of the guy you are tackling is not sound, fundamental tackling. SO we are going to take what announcers and fans say over what a 20 year defensive coach says ? I can say I have seen the same taught by other defensive coaches at the HS and collegiate level. Cutting them is not launching in and bouncing off the guy, if you are bouncing off the guy then you are not cutting correctly
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Sometimes when I read this Board I am astounded.
Ward already is an integral part of of the defense.
I’m with U ... kids a baller ... u can tell ... I haven’t really commented much ... its pre-season and we haven’t seen much ... I’ve not really seen anyone else mention it ... What do u think of our team speed on D? .... i’m very impressed with it ... is it just me or do u notice it also ... Also ... what did u think of BBC at FS? ... it seemed to me like he was all over the place ... i’d Like to see more ... your thoughts on that please ... Vers ... please share your thoughts on the above two subjects ... 1. Our team speed looks a lot better this preseason. We have guys flying around. Ward, Kendricks, a healthy Myles, Mitchell, Avery, and BBC have been flying all over the field. 2. It's hard to tell on TV sometimes, but the angles we had of BBC at FS showed a guy w/good range and very good closing speed. He flashed on the screen. I think I mentioned him during my comments on the Postgame thread.
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We have both made our points to each other a couple of times. If we continue, it will lead to bad things. Let's just agree to disagree on this particular topic.
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I'm not worried about Williams making it public. What I am worried about is if Williams is out of his mind. Despite what DC said, wrapping up is not a "bad" thing. Do you know how many tackles are missed due to guys not "wrapping up?" Furthermore, w/the new helmet rule, guys just "cutting" players will be much more prone to being called for penalties.
I really think Williams is misguided on this one. DBs are taught to cut players who are much larger than them . You dont want your 185 lb cover corner squaring up with a 235 lb RB . What Williams has said is 100% correct. OPn the video clip - around 44 seconds, Williams says exactly that. "It depends on the players size" ... and he referred to the same thing elsewhere talking about Ward taking on a 290 lb TE ... I don't have an issue. I don't think Williams is telling Ward not to wrap up tackle .... I think he's saying the #1 thing is protect yourself and instead of a head on wrap up - you 'cut' from the side. . . you can still wrap up but you avoid the guys momentum hitting you. exactly
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How many times have folks complained about Haden not wrapping up, trying to always hit with a shoulder, only to miss. but the issue there is that he misses
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BBC have been flying all over the field.
Hee hee
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Gregg Williams is "trying to help" his rookie CB stay healthy and avoid those unnecessary injuries. GW doesn't care if he is politically correct or not..he wants to use the opportunity to drive the point home to Ward.
Some fans never miss an opportunity to criticize but IMO, nothing here but good intentions.
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BBC have been flying all over the field.
Hee hee Yeah, I've been around the internet way too long to not laugh at that.
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How many times have folks complained about Haden not wrapping up, trying to always hit with a shoulder, only to miss. but the issue there is that he misses So, lets teach Ward to launch himself at the runner and get flagged for leading with his helmet. Unless your advocating he launch himself, feet first. 
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How many times have folks complained about Haden not wrapping up, trying to always hit with a shoulder, only to miss. but the issue there is that he misses So, lets teach Ward to launch himself at the runner and get flagged for leading with his helmet. Unless your advocating he launch himself, feet first. Or use his shoulder, but not miss like Haden
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My comment had nothing to do about Williams. It was directed from some Board comments about Ward.
I agree Williams loves Ward. I am sure he was part of the decision to draft him. His critique is to get him to do it right so he is not injured.
No different than coaching a quarterback to slide and protect himself.
Ward is needed in this defense. He has to learn how to make plays and protect himself.
I am sure Ward knows Williams by now and how he coaches. I am unworried by hurt feelings.
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How many times have folks complained about Haden not wrapping up, trying to always hit with a shoulder, only to miss. but the issue there is that he misses So, lets teach Ward to launch himself at the runner and get flagged for leading with his helmet. Unless your advocating he launch himself, feet first. Or use his shoulder, but not miss like Haden The shoulders are too close to the head, and I don't like his chances of hitting a moving target while he's trying to be both the rifle and the bullet. Flags be a flyin'...
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bone...my comment was general in nature, not directed at you or anyone in particular ...I should have used the JC before beginning my post..
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Speaking of Williams (Marcus). Tackling - 2018 style... 
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Speaking of Williams (Marcus). Tackling - 2018 style... Whiff big time.
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one of the most boneheaded attempted tackles in NFL history
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Exactly. And that is why guys bounce off of the ball carrier so often. However, if you wrap them up, their feet slow down and at the very worst, they trip over you.
I don't care how Williams and others in the NFL teach it. I'm saying they are wrong. Wrapping a guy up is far more effective than hurling oneself through the air. And again, "cutting" guys is going to lead to more penalties. They were showing some of the penalties this preseason on TV earlier. Most of them were because guys were diving at guys low. I played rugby - the best way to tackle is always wrap up. I know you don't like Williams much - but I do not believe he is teaching people not to wrap up. He said wrapping was fine - that wasn't the [art of the tackle he was critical of imo. I believe - just like in rugby - the tackle needs to be at the legs from the side. Why take on the guy in such a way as his force is hitting you. We'll see what happens - to me Ward has shown to be a great addition to the D.
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Hue pretty much made it seem he told Gregg to keep his mouth shut on these type of comments to the media.
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Exactly. And that is why guys bounce off of the ball carrier so often. However, if you wrap them up, their feet slow down and at the very worst, they trip over you.
I don't care how Williams and others in the NFL teach it. I'm saying they are wrong. Wrapping a guy up is far more effective than hurling oneself through the air. And again, "cutting" guys is going to lead to more penalties. They were showing some of the penalties this preseason on TV earlier. Most of them were because guys were diving at guys low. I played rugby - the best way to tackle is always wrap up. I know you don't like Williams much - but I do not believe he is teaching people not to wrap up. He said wrapping was fine - that wasn't the [art of the tackle he was critical of imo. I believe - just like in rugby - the tackle needs to be at the legs from the side. Why take on the guy in such a way as his force is hitting you. We'll see what happens - to me Ward has shown to be a great addition to the D. Well, I completly agree. Played rugby myself, don't even understand the concept of cutting being a good way to tackle anyone. Only excuse for not wraping is when you make a play for the ball, which is something that does not happen in rugby. Use the momentum in your favour, and you don't have to cut anyone, and for sure you don't counter the momentum in a tackle specialy moving up. He does not need to drive up, nor should he ever do it, that will make your head and spine take all the force, you just wrap up and drag, don't stiff, ypu won't last long. They should practice tackling without helmets. Regarding GW, you just have to see our DB tackling to see that he has no regard for the health of the players... Actually that's a problem with D coaching in the NFL. IMHO Ward was "stupid" not because the wraping, but because of the hitting/cutting.
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Speaking of Williams (Marcus). Tackling - 2018 style... Great example of what I am talking about. There are a few times when guys need to cut guys to bring down the ball carrier, but I can't believe we are "teaching" that over sound, fundamental tackling where your wrap a guy up.
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I don't think Williams wants Ward to tackle like that ALL the time; I think its against bigger guys who have more power and momentum in the given situation.
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Speaking of Williams (Marcus). Tackling - 2018 style... Great example of what I am talking about. There are a few times when guys need to cut guys to bring down the ball carrier, but I can't believe we are "teaching" that over sound, fundamental tackling where your wrap a guy up. Personally I don't believe any coach anywhere in HS, College or the NFL is teaching anyone to "tackle" like that.
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Calling a young player who is performing very well "stupid" in a presser is classless and stupid IMO
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Calling a young player who is performing very well "stupid" in a presser is classless and stupid IMO Hue did not care for it either apparently..... Hue Jackson tells Gregg Williams not to call players “stupid” in the mediaPosted by Michael David Smith on August 27, 2018, 6:25 PM EDTBrowns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told reporters after rookie Denzel Ward got hurt making a tackle that the injury was Ward’s fault because of the “stupid” way he tackles. Browns head coach Hue Jackson was not happy about that. Jackson told reporters today that Williams needs to watch the way he talks about the Browns’ internal business publicly. “Gregg does not get to do just what he wants to do. We will work through all of that. . . . We do not need to do all of that stuff in the media,” Jackson said. This isn’t the first time there’s been tension on the Browns’ coaching staff. On Hard Knocks, offensive coordinator Todd Haley was shown taking issue with Jackson’s decision to give players days off during training camp, leading to a tense exchange. With Jackson’s record as the Browns’ head coach at 1-31, any issues between Jackson and his assistants will be heavily scrutinized. If the Browns win this year, it will be easy to overlook any suggestions that he and his coordinators aren’t seeing eye-to-eye. If the Browns keep losing, problems on the coaching staff will be magnified. Link
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Hue Jackson tells Gregg Williams not to call players "stupid" in the media"“Gregg does not get to do just what he wants to do. We will work through all of that. . . . We do not need to do all of that stuff in the media,” Jackson said." Said Hue to the media ...https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...d-in-the-media/
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You give Williams a pass and bash Hue? LMAO..........y'all never stop.
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Hue Jackson tells Gregg Williams not to call players "stupid" in the media"“Gregg does not get to do just what he wants to do. We will work through all of that. . . . We do not need to do all of that stuff in the media,” Jackson said." Said Hue to the media ...https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...d-in-the-media/ Well maybe Gregg can think about not calling players who are out there giving their best effort "stupid" to the media now. There was no need for that by Williams. Now he gets to feel silly.
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You give Williams a pass and bash Hue? LMAO..........y'all never stop. If internal things should stay "internal" when it comes to players, then that should go double when it comes to the coaching staff. Hue could have simply said "internal business is internal", but because, imo, he is threatened by his DC and OC, he feels the need to put them in their place publicly. He just undermined his DC in front of the world, and his players.
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Why didn't you complain about Williams' comment?
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Williams didn't call Ward stupid. He called his tackling technique stupid. There's a difference.
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Did Hue call Williams "stupid?"
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Why didn't you complain about Williams' comment?
Your hate for Hue is weird. I hate no one. Your obsession with "protecting his honor" is pathological.
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