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Well, seeing as how there teenagers its as good of time as any to have teenage moments ... *L* ...

I LOVED KENDRICKS ... he’s gonna be missed ... he could do a lot of things and was going to be a nice “piece” to have ... he WILL BE SORELY MISSED .... he gave us INCREDIBLE FLEXIBILITY and DEPTH ..

The good thing is ... we dont have as much flexibility as a D but we still have WAY MORE THEN ENOUGH flexibility ... we have plenty of talent and flexibility to still do plenty of things ... just not as many ... its like we top out at 140 now instead of 160 ...

I think the gap is still in our depth. I don't think our starters will have any issues matching up against anyone in the NFL... however, I think our biggest issues, which I think will show are in the trenches on both sides of the ball. We need Oline help and we need more depth on the DLine.

Starting 0-3 wouldn't be a disparaging difference in talent that we might be used to.

Agree with everything u just said ... EVERYTHING ...

Even the last part if we lose to the jets .. problem with that is if we lose to the jets we could really be screwed ... we gotta beat them with a guy making his 3rd career start or were not that good ...

I wish we played the Chefs earlier .... Mahomes will get better each week ... the jump each week will be minimal but the difference between the guy u see in week 1 will be huge compared to the guy u see in week 10 ..

So who will take Kendrick's' roster spot?

You're right in that we aren't that far apart on our predictions of how many games we are going to win. There are some reasons why we are seemingly disagreeing.

1. While I am predicting we win 5 or 6 games, I think it is more likely that we win 3 than us winning 8 or 9. I think you see it the other way around.

2a. You said something like us being 3 and 2 or 2 and 3 after 5 games. You could be right, but I see that as unlikely. As of right now, I am fairly certain that are underdogs in each of the first 5 games.

2b. I see this young team who has only won 1 game in the past two years and having many new parts taking time to get their act together. I can envision us becoming better and better as the season progresses.

3. I place a lot of importance on the quarterbacks in the NFL. I think we are weak in this area. Improved from last year, but I don't think our QB is going to win us games. Frankly, I am having a hard time getting beyond this one.

4. While I try and fight the urge, I'm a damn homer, too. LOL I look at all the national power rankings and we are either at the very bottom, or very near the bottom, in all of them. You may scoff at this one, but I went to FanDuel to create some daily leagues yesterday, and our guys are ranked so low. I think we might be guilty of overestimating our talent and I think a lot of that has to do w/just how devoid of talent/experience we were last year. Most importantly, Vegas has us w/the longest odds of winning our division. You gotta bet more money than you would win on the Steelers. The Rats are second and even the Bengals have better odds of winning the division than the Browns do. There are legit reasons for all of the above, Diam.

5. I reply to you because you are not as sensitive as others. When you talk over and over about how good our talent is and the Isle of Optimism, many people forget what your prediction for our win total is. They see all your optimism and visions of the playoffs and/or a large number of wins.

With all of that said, I am more optimistic about the team than I have been in over a decade. I think they will struggle to win games this year, but we have done the following:

--significantly upgraded the talent and experience.

--Have a very good coaching staff.

--Have a FO that is better than the previous ones.

--Have a GM and HC who are working together.

--We finally have ownership showing some stability. I credit a lot of that to Dee becoming more involved w/the team.

--We still have money and future draft picks to look forward to.

The key, in my opinion, is to not raise the expectations too high this year and fire more people. Firing guys has been a HUGE factor in why we have been so poor over the years. New hires equate to roster upheaval and we lose talented young guys and key vets to bring in new guys. I am preaching patience w/this group. I want to see them get a chance and I feel that unfair expectations could lead to the mob calling for more changes. That is the last thing we need.

[I feel this conversation we are having would be better if it was in your Optimism thread rather than the "Cut" thread.] I'm going to paste it on that thread. Hope that is okay?]

Nacua is one guy we should have kept.

j/c:


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1035506144951853056

Agreed.

i'd expect that too

Some overarching thoughts on the roster:

- I'd like the Browns to keep 4 RBs, and Dayes > Hillard.

- I'd like to see Shon Coleman make the roster and keep Harrison over Robinson. Side note: Apparently the team is in love with Harrison and seems him as their future, long-term LT.

- I think both Nassib and Orchard make it.

- I think Currie makes it over Bello.

- Devalve > Cajuste (although, based on DeValve's injury, he may start the season on the PUP list with Cajuste holding a spot until he returns?)

- McKinnion > Jordan

- I'd rather give the final WR spot to one of the younger guys with upside than Jeff Janis. He has been disappointing.

Hopefully we're able to keep some of the players on the practice squad and not lose them to other teams. There are definately some close shaves.

guys i'm hoping we keep:

- Dayes, Devalve, Currie, McKinnon, Scott, Harrison, Brantley

Roster guesses:

OFFENSE
QB
Tyrod Taylor
Baker Mayfield
Drew Stanton
(PS) Brogan Roback

RB
Carlos Hyde
Duke Johnson Jr.
Nick Chubb
(PS) Matthew Dayes
(PS) Dontrell Hilliard

FB
Danny Vitale

WR:
Jarvis Landry
Josh Gordon
Rashard Higgins
Antonio Callaway
Damion Ratley
(cut)Derrick Willies
(cut)Jeff Janis
(PS)C.J. Board
(cut)Da'Mari Scott
(PS)Blake Jackson


LT
Joel Bitonio
Greg Robinson
(cut)Desmond Harrison

LG
Austin Corbett
(cut)Avery Gennesy
(cut)Fred Lauina

C
JC Tretter
Austin Reiter
(cut)Anthony Fabiano

RG
Kevin Zeitler
Spencer Drango

RT
Chris Hubbard
Shon Coleman
(cut)Christian DiLauro

TE
David Njoku
Seth DeValve
Darren Fells
Devon Cajuste
(cut)Orson Charles
(cut)Stephen Baggett

That puts us at 25 for the Offense. I like Cajuste as a receiving option better than any of the potential 6th option receivers. I almost would prefer keeping Dayes or Hillard over Vitale as well and just not having a FB on the roster.


DEFENSE
DE
Myles Garrett
Chris Smith
Nate Orchard

DT
Larry Ogunjobi
Jamie Meder
Caleb Brantley
Trevon Coley
(PS)Jeremy Faulk
(cut)Zaycoven Henderson
(cut)Daniel Ekuale
(cut)Blaine Woodson

DE
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Chad Thomas
(cut)Lenny Jones

WILL
Christian Kirksey
Genard Avery
(cut)Jermaine Grace

MIKE
Joe Schobert
James Burgess Jr.
Justin Currie

SAM
Jamie Collins Sr.
B.J. Bello
(cut)Brady Sheldon

CB
Denzel Ward
Terrance Mitchell
E.J. Gaines
T.J. Carrie
Simeon Thomas
(PS)Jeremiah McKinnon
(cut)Mike Jordan
(cut)Denzel Rice
(cut)Christian Boutte

S
Damarious Randall
Jabrill Peppers
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Derrick Kindred
(cut)Derron Smith
(cut)Tigie Sankoh
(PS)Elijah Campbell
(cut)Montrel Meander

Defensive End is the toughest call here. I want to put Orchard on the team but I have no idea who he would bump to do it. Chris Smith hasn't had a "bad" pre-season, but he's been somewhat anonymous too. I think Nassib makes the team too. I decided to keep 6 here and go with 26 defenders. I've got 4 safeties listed too, but BBS is sort of a CB/S. Add too that a kicker and a punter and that's a 53 man roster.

I think you are at 54 when you add the LS.

I also think your projection is as good as any I've read thus far.

I'd keep Harrison over Robinson as the back up LT (4 years of poor play and a mediocre preseason, sorry Greg).

hmmm...Bello or Currie...no worries, they're both practice squad eligible.

I'd probably keep CJ Board over Cajuste, too. But again both guys are eligible for the practice squad.

Ugh...I can't figure out who to drop from the O-line...so be it..

My, err...54?

QB- Tyrod Taylor (83.0); Baker Mayfield*; Drew Stanton (51.2)
RB- Carlos Hyde (51.6); Nick Chubb*; Duke Johnson (81.7)
FB- Dan Vitale (41.4)
TE- David Njoku (69.2); Darren Fells (72.4); Seth Devalve (46.5)
WR1- Josh Gordon (82.1); Damion Ratley*
WR2- Jarvis Landry(82.0); CJ Board*
WR3- Antonio Calloway*; Rashard Higgins (42.9)
LT- Joel Bitonio (85.2 @LG); Desmond Harrison*
LG- Austin Corbett*; Spencer Drango (47.7 @ LT)
C- JC Tretter (70.5); Austin Reiter (64.1)
RG- Kevin Zeitler (81.1); Earl Watford (50.9)
RT- Chris Hubbard (69.6); Shon Coleman (53.0)

RDE- Myles Garrett (88.4); Chris Smith (67.7); Nate Orchard (69.8)
DT- Larry Ogunjobi (82.0); Caleb Brantley (73.0)
DT- Trevon Coley (68.9); Jamie Meder (74.8)
LDE: Emmanuel Ogbah (72.6); Carl Nassib (75.7); Chad Thomas*
WILL- Christian Kirksey (59.6); Genard Avery*
MIKE- Joe Schobert (77.4); Justin Currie (66.9)
SAM- Jamie Collins (35.9); James Burgess (43.9)
RCB- Denzel Ward*; Terrance Mitchell (52.3)
LCB- EJ Gaines (86.6); TJ Carrie (84.3); Michael Jordan (56.8)
FS- Damarious Randall (70.9); Briean Boddy-Calhoun (84.1)
SS- Jabrill Peppers (45.8); Derrick Kendrid (82.1)

ST: Colquitt; Gonzalez; Hughlett

PS: Simeon Thomas*(FS); Matthew Dayes (59.8) (RB); Devon Cajuste (TE); Jeremiah McKinnon (CB); Denzel Rice (DB); BJ Bello (43.9) (LB); Derrick Willies (WR); Jeremy Faulk (DT); 2 decent developmental O-line guys.

IR: Howard Wilson *; Ricardo Louis (41.4)

I would be shocked if Harrison is cut.

IIRC, Cuts due 4pm tomorrow.

same here

I expect a fair number of cuts today just to insure that we have room to file our 1st priority waiver claim for other teams cuts.

Dorsey doesn't seem like the "wait and see" kind of guy.

Than again, with the earlier cuts we probably already have the waiver claim space.

I would tend to agree with you but usually the "obvious cuts" come early. Guys with more talent who are on the edge of making the roster are harder determinations to make and usually come later in the process.

To all, Who are your 2 bubble players if we want to pick up someone elses cuts?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2018-...their-final-53/

Scooby Wright cut by the Cardinals. That's OK, Scooby. You'll get 'em next time

Ruh Roh, Raggy . . .

2 bubble players? Hah! I have 7 (but my list is 54 guys, too, so...)

CJ Board*
Earl Watford (50.9)
Shon Coleman (53.0)
Austin Reiter (64.1)
Nate Orchard (69.8)
Justin Currie (66.9)
Michael Jordan (56.8)

Like others above, I would be surprised if they cut Harrison. The combination of abilities/qualities necessary to play LT in the NFL are rare. Harrison appears to have them, he's just raw and needs some experience. Robinson has 4 years of NFL tape that shows he is lacking. I think the position is so critical, and the combination so rare, that you take Harrison's promise over Robinson's experience

we can't risk cutting Michael Jordan

But I hear that Sam Bowie kid has all kinds of potential

j/c:


https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/1035581725831819264

We cut Anthony Fabiano.

one of the most over rated late rd draft picks of the Browns since the return
he made a unblocked tackle at the goal line next thing you know hes being elevated to "what a steal by Farmer draft pick" status.
him and Carder LJ Fort all the same.

Can we move Devalve to IR with return designation?

We could.

But we’d have to wait until after all the cuts.

Braxton Miller just never could fit anywhwere

But we could stash him there and bring back a bubble guy until later. I don't want to cut Devalve, but he missed a lot of preseason.

I think he must first make the '53'...then he can go to IR and the 53rd spot opens back up. (I think you already know that.)

If he never officially practiced...he could go straight to PUP list. But I think he practiced at least one day.

Also, Devalve can go on IR before the cuts, he just can't return later in the season.

First wave:



https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-reduce-roster-to-72