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Maybe the Raiders should trade Khalil Mack
Posted by Mike Florio on July 30, 2018, 8:33 PM EDT


AP
On Monday’s PFT Live, former Jon Gruden pupil Chris Simms predicted that Gruden eventually will snap regarding the Khalil Mack holdout, insisting that the Raiders do whatever it takes to sign their best defensive player to a long-term deal, ending his holdout. While that may eventually happen, Gruden went in a different direction on Monday.

Gruden opted to suggest that Mack isn’t much of a difference maker because his presence didn’t make much of a difference last year on the team’s subpar defense. That likely won’t do much to mend fences between Mack and the Raiders.

The comments from Gruden come after defensive coordinator Paul Guenther, who previously called Mack a “centerpiece” of the defense, said that Mack has “a lot of catching up to do.” Gruden’s statements also follow his vow to fans that he’ll “find a way to get Khalil Mack back.”

So what’s really going on here? Some wonder whether the Raiders have the financial wherewithal to give Mack the contract he deserves, opting instead to string it out on a year-to-year arrangement. If the team can’t afford to give Mack the kind of guaranteed money necessary to sign him to a long-term deal, and if Gruden will be dealing with that reality by indirectly downplaying Mack’s value to the team, the Raiders should simply trade Mack to a team that can and will pay him what he’s worth.

And, yes, that same mindset also applies to the Rams and holdout defensive tackle Aaron Donald. However, no one is doubting owner Stan Kroenke’s ability to pay Donald. The question with the Rams is whether they want to pay him. For the Raiders, it’s fair to first wonder whether they can.

If that’s truly the impediment, it won’t matter when Gruden gets to the end of his rope and demands that Mack be paid. Which means that the best move would be to simply move Mack to a team that can and will pay him what he’s worth.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/07/30/maybe-the-raiders-should-trade-khalil-mack/

there would be riots in the streets if Gruden got Mack traded.

That would be a dumb ass comment that sounds like something a dumb fan would say. Who can forget the justification by many of our posters when we lost guys like Schwartz, Mack, and Gipson? They said........"we went 3 and 13 w/them. How good can they be?"

However, I did not see quotations around Gruden's supposed suggestion. Did he really "suggest" that or is the author taking liberties?

J/C

I'd love to see a trade for the pure entertainment factor. Not often that a premier pass rusher is up for grabs: His value will be interesting.

I don't like the guy so my opinion is biased. I would wait until I hear what Gruden has to say.

Yeah, he's a hack most of the time.

He takes partial quotes and turns them into something their not.

Btw........I really appreciate all the information you have been providing. Thanks, my man.

Meh, I'm sure we'd take him off their hands for a 5th or 6th round picks.

Heck, maybe a conditional 4th!

Could you imagine Mack on our defense? Of man, yes please!;)

In Oakland or Vegas?

let's just trade for a few guys who have some impending contract issues ... how about:

- Trade a 5th rounder for Earl Thomas
- Trade a 4th rounder for LeVeon Bell
- Trade a 3rd rounder for Khalil Mack
- Trade a 2nd rounder for Aaron Donald

That would be our best draft ever

Never going to happen. Great players don't get moved like that in the NFL.

So it would be just another average day in California.

#PhilSavageDraft

Absolutely agree. Raiders would be so in the dumps with the fans, regardless what they got, if they traded him.

No worries! Null sheen!

Gruden and Chuckie 2.0 can fix it all! LOLetc.

NFL trade rumors: 4 teams ‘seriously’ interested in deal for Raiders LB Khalil Mack

The Raiders have not ruled out trading Khalil Mack.

Oakland “hasn’t slammed the door,” on moving the 27-year-old star linebacker, according to a report from NBC Sports, which cites an unidentified league source. As many as 12 teams have asked about Mack, while four are “seriously” exploring dealing for him, the report says.

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Mack, the 2016 Defensive Player of the Year, is seeking a new contract that would reportedly make him one of the NFL’s highest-paid defensive players. He’s currently holding out of Raiders camp.

Mack, a three-time Pro Bowl player, tallied 10 ½ sacks and 61 solo tackles with the Raiders last season. He was originally selected by Oakland with the fifth pick in the 2014 draft.

The Jets inquired about Mack last week, according to an earlier report from the New York Daily News.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/...ea1u6aos91h2lmv

Towards the end of last week, one of the sports talk shows in town had a little fun and decided to project what it would take to get someone like Mack to join the Browns. The initial guess was Emmanuel Ogbah and a first rounder in 2019. One person thought it was fair; another thought that wasn't enough and that more draft capital would be needed to consummate a deal. Not sure if we are one of the four teams that is "serious" about making a deal, and I do like Ogbah a ton, but if you had Mack and Garret applying pressure, that might be the nastiest combo in the league.

We have Genard Avery... and while he is COMPLETELY unproven at this level, what I have seen of him so far indicates that he is a monster waiting to happen.

I am always for upgrading the roster if the cost is reasonable, and I LOVE the idea of having a powerful thumper at LB, but I'd be completely Ok if the FO doesn't feel that they see the need. With guys like Ogbah and Avery, I think we're just fine as-is.

Mack would be your other DE. Avery can still be used at LB.

So, we'd trade for a guy and give him a new contract to make him one of the highest paid LB's and then move him to DE to replace the well-producing DE we traded away (with picks) for that LB?


I just don't see the point.

I'm not sure about 2017 snaps, but he played more at DE than OLB in 2016. His versatility is amazing. He'd do just fine at DE, almost exclusively. And yes, you'd have to pay him to be the highest paid player at his position.

I agree. The value is not there for a trade like that. For a draft pick and that's all maybe.

Again, I just don't see the point in trading a DE to get a LB to play at DE. Not only that, but trading away a young, up & coming, team player, hard worker on a cheap contract for a diva orchestrating a hold out and a top tier contract.

There's really just no up side; no payoff or benefit. What we gain is so minimal. What we give up in chemistry in the DLine room, youth, etc.. is huge, and that doesn't even get into the dollar values.

I think Mack is an "edge rusher" more than he is a DE or LBer. He is one of most--if not the premiere--pass rushers in the entire NFL. He would be a huge upgrade for the Browns.

With that said, I don't think we trade for him. Also, I don't think the odds are high that the Raiders trade him. He is one of the league's top players.

From everything I have heard they aren't even talking. As it stands right now I would say 70% Mack gets traded.

The problem is, what are they going to get? No one is going to give you a 1st round pick when you have to pay them man 150m. I'd gladly send a 3rd and maybe a 2nd but signing him is going to be expensive.

would it make sense to throw in a 3rd pick and collins?

cause dude hasn't produced.

It seems like Gruden is going to run this team straight into the ground.

j/c:

Could the Oakland Raiders Really Trade All-Pro Khalil Mack This Season?

Imagine pairing Khalil Mack with Aaron Donald, Ndamukong Suh, Marcus Peters and an offense that's stacked with Jared Goff, Todd Gurley, Brandin Cooks and more.

That might sound like something straight out of Madden 19, but for many NFL teams, the prospect of adding the league's best young edge-rusher could be a reality. All it will cost them is a long-term contract for Mack—one that will make him the highest-paid defensive end in football (around $18-20 million per year)—and the draft picks the Oakland Raiders are looking for.

Would you do it?

The first consideration is what you're getting; then you can ask what the price is. Here's who Khalil Mack is.

In four seasons with the Raiders, Mack has 40.5 sacks. He did that despite only notching four in his rookie season. So, 36.5 sacks in three seasons. That's dominant. The three-time Pro Bowler and two-time All-Pro has also never been in trouble off the field or an issue in the locker room. You're trading for a 27-year-old with as close to zero bust factor as possible in a game so dominated by injuries and abrupt changes in skill set.

"I really don't think there's anything else like him in the NFL right now. Maybe Von [Miller] but he's getting older. I'd rather have Mack if we're talking about filling out a roster," said one NFL director of player personnel.

So what's the asking price for a player so decorated on the field? "Probably a 1 and a 2" is what one AFC vice president of player personnel told me this week. Another general manager echoed the same asking price, "It probably depends on where you think you'll be drafting. If we're in the top five, it's probably an easy first and second. If we're where we hope we are [drafting late first round], you're going to have to send more."

I asked both if they were calling about Mack.

Said the director of player personnel: "That's too rich for us. Realistically, we're drafting in the top 10. We can't send two picks in the top 40 for a 27-year-old pass-rusher that needs a new contract."

The VP of player personnel wouldn't answer, only laughing and asking what I'd heard.

There is no doubt among NFL executives that Mack is worth it, but one thing must be considered before teams send two premium draft picks to the Raiders for his services—and that's the 2019 NFL draft class.

Scouts are already lining up to evaluate Ohio State's Nick Bosa. While talking to an area scout this summer for another story, we got on the topic of Bosa and the loaded 2019 pass-rusher class. He suggested that teams will be more cautious in free-agency spending because there is such a talented crop of pass-rushers coming down the pike in the draft. And it's important to note that draft prospects get paid on a flat scale for four or five seasons. That allows general managers to build a more expensive roster of free agents if the team isn't paying a pass-rusher $20 million for five years.

In conversations around the league, the belief is the Raiders want to trade Mack. In fact, that's a rumor that made the rounds after the 2018 NFL draft when it was said that Jon Gruden wanted to hire his own personnel man. During that under-the-radar search for an executive, the idea was floated to trade Mack, reap the benefits of early draft picks and plug holes in a roster that Gruden feels is close with Derek Carr, Amari Cooper and now a reloaded offensive line.

To many of you reading this, the concept of trading a healthy, elite pass-rusher seems sacrilegious. But to the Raiders, this is a chance to steal extra draft picks for a player one scout in the building I spoke to felt is "replaceable by scheme and a strong rotation of young players."

Every time rookies Arden Key or Maurice Hurst make a play this preseason, that comment echoes in my mind. Maybe the Raiders really would trade Mack and rely on their young defensive line talent while allowing owner Mark Davis—who isn't known for his wealth relative to other NFL owners—to get control of the salary cap before moving to Las Vegas.

It all sounds like a conspiracy theory straight out of Area 51, but in the NFL, where there is smoke, there is usually fire. For Khalil Mack, that could mean a new team before Labor Day weekend.



Matt Miller covers the NFL and NFL draft for Bleacher Report.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2792...ack-this-season

Can you imagine trading and signing for Landry and Mack in the same calendar year? Talk about a 180, from tanking at all costs to win at all cost.

I feel like some team is going steal Mack for some crappy
package of average players.

And if this happens, it could support BpG's point about how much money the team will have to fork over once getting him. A team may argue they're going to have to pay him so much money that we can't do that AND give up high draft capital or really good players. It's decent leverage, actually, in negotiations.

I say we give up our first round pick for him, since we will shock everyone and it will end up being pick #32

I think Oakland be crazy to trade him. Their fans would demanding Gruden's head.

But if they're trying to ship him, I don't see us in a market for another LB. Mack is elite though.

I doubt Cleveland would be one of the teams in talks.. More so thinking about long term cap..

He would play opposite Myles Garrett on the line.

Because Mack is elite and Ogbah isn't. Mack can give you 15+ sacks, can Ogbah? Mack means you can only double one. Either Mack or Garrett. The other guy is going to kill you. Or we could put another pass rusher at end and play him at OLB on pass plays. He's the kind of guy that doesn't care where you play him he is going to beat your opponent's ass. I like Ogbah. He's a good solid DE but he hasn't shown he is capable of being elite. I want 50+ sacks this year. I want us to knock the crap out of every QB we face. I want teams to fear to have to play us. Mack could give us that. Alas, it won't happen. But it really would be something if it did. lol

You were saying...

Cleveland has discussed trade w/ raiders for Mack

I would have to agree.