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Breaking: Khalil Mack and the Bears have reached an agreement on a record-setting 6-year, $141M extension ($23.5M per year avg) that includes $90M guaranteed and $60M at signing, a source tells @AdamSchefter.

well, that's substantial

He will be like Urlacher was to the Bears D.

He just became the most sought-after, eligible bachelor in the NFL.

haha good point

He better be LT with a mix of Bruce Smith and a dash of Reggie White

Wow...
Sources: Raiders to release Martavis Bryant, who faces suspension

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24548815/oakland-raiders-cut-martavis-bryant-suspension-looms

Grudens gonna get run out of town ... rightfully so ...

OVERRATED ... hes not near as smart as he thinks he is ...

Just lose baby

Bryant is facing another suspension. Isn't this his 3rd one? He also acted like a spoiled, little b.... last year in Pittsburgh. I don't blame the Raiders for cutting him.

Shocking! What a wad of money. hats off to the agent. E guess he will wake up happy tomorrow, and on a long weekend.

Wow... good for him... 90 million guarantee... would have loved to have seen him here,,, will be interesting to see if bears can do anything in the next few years

Glad to see non-QB positions making that kind of $$$.

And Gruden is so overrated. I'll give him 3 years.

Not sure how many now ... almost positive his last one was a year ... think that makes this one “lifetime” ...

Grudens making the Jill’s look well managed ... *L*

J/C

Mack is a beast, but that's a huge price to be giving up for a team that has a lot of building to do. Interesting trade. I like what the Bears are starting to put together on defense, but I'm not sure the offense will hold up their end, and now they're lacking in draft assets.

I'm glad the Browns didn't make the trade. Nothing against Mack, just don't think the move would be in our best interests.

Just glad the Browns aren't the ones being snickered at right now. It feels good to be making football moves.

How would you like to be a Raiders fan in Oakland. The Raiders go and trade their best player to build for Las Vegas, instead of trying to win in Oakland. Man, they spent a ton of money on so-so free agents, and then trade away Mack, because they didn't want to pay him. That's like a big middle finger to the Black Hole.

Didn't the Bears trade the farm to move up 1 spot and draft Trubisky? Then they traded the farm to get Mack, how many farms do the Bears have left?

Unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't be upset if I was a Raiders fan.

They have a franchise QB, a decent group of receivers, one of the top OL's in the NFL, two good running backs, a loaded secondary and a very good front seven that just lost their best player, but added four very solid draft picks to bolster the unit - with it being said that the young players impressing so much was one reason why the team was willing to deal Mack.

Now, they've got all this talent, and have a whole lot of highly valuable draft selections moving forward.

It sucks to lose your best player, but they have a nice team that is solidified at some of the more important positions, and now they've got the freedom to add even more talent to that roster.

I don't know why people are treating the Raiders like lunatics: Frankly, I see the Bears as a team with huge questions and little ability to answer those questions. Mack is a really nice player - but I just don't know if it's enough.

They're still comfortably the bottom of the NFC North with Minnesota, Green Bay and Detroit all looking like teams who'll smoke them - especially if Trubisky doesn't pan out.

The Raiders, on the other hand, are a real chance to win the AFC West. They're not nearly the team people think they are in spite of their struggles last year.

They might have lost their best player, but I think they're clearly a better team this year than they were last year.

reading through Reggie McKenzie's press conference, it's pretty clear he wanted no part of trading Mack. Oakland is a mess right now.

Care to make a “gentleman’s bet on there win total? .. maybe a sig bet or sumptin Ike that ...

Just sumptin fun ... let me know ...

I dont agree with your assessment of how good they are ... methinks u have them vastly overrated ...

I gotta ask one question ... i just gotta know ...

Who are these “decent” WR’s u speak of? ...

McKenzies job is too improve the team on the field ... the Faders just took a MAJOR STEP backwords in that regard losing Mack ... all this happens on the day they release a guy they just gave up a 3rd rnd. Pick to aquire ...

Some posters can spin it any way they want ...

VERY VERY VERY BAD DAY IN FADER NATION ...

We’ll talk in 5 years and see what those first round picks are doing compared to Mack ...

Oakland or Bears?

Been putting my past gambling hat on for a few days concerning our schedule and predictions.

Looking for TRAITS.

You'll see them in the Predictions thread soon.

One biggie. Look at our record since 99 against the NFC South. And we're 1-3 against Carolina. New Orleans and Atlanta? Interesting.

j/c:

I see that some are laughing at the Bears and some are trashing the Raiders over this trade. LOL

I don't think either team is clueless and some Brown's fans are trying to make themselves feel better about their team by trashing another.

Looking at it realistically and w/out bias, I'd have to say that the Raiders were in a tough spot because Mack was playing hard ball. At some point, you need your guys on the field. Having your "best player" sitting at home does you no good. They got a lot in return for Mack. They got more than I thought they were going to. I don't see them as being stupid or "a mess."

On the other side, Chicago is getting one of the NFL's best defensive players. I think they are trying to get impact guys and win now. I do think that they gave up too much for Mack, but like we discussed earlier, the draft is a crap shoot and not all of these number 1 picks pan out. They know what they have in Mack.

I can see why both teams made the trade. I don't think either organization proved themselves incompetent. If I had to predict who wins this trade, I'd probably say the Raiders. They got a big haul for a guy who was playing hard ball w/them.

My thought is this:

Oakland had a Hall of Fame player, and let him go because they weren't willing to pay him as such. This is despite the fact that they threw around a ton of money in free agency. Trading away a player like Mack is a real huge risk.

We have seen draft picks bust left and right around here. Does Chuckie still have it as far as finding the best talent in the draft? We'll see. It seems as though McKenzie is out of the loop on personnel matters.

The Raiders could find Ogden and Lewis ... or they could fine Gilbert and Manziel. I would guess that somewhere in the middle is more like it. Is that enough for Mack. Well, we'll see.

I was originally on the side of "the Bears gave up a ridiculous amount, but the more I thought about it, and the fact that they also got a 2nd round pick back, makes it seem more than likely that they won this trade, especially in the short term. They get a Hall of fame talent, and basically gave up 2 firsts for Mack and a second. (with a few other draft picks thrown in) That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Like so many trades the Browns have made regarding draft picks, it will take a while to really see who won the trade. Man, Sashi Brown "won" a lot of draft pick trades, some ridiculously so, only to lose badly. Time will tell if Chuckie is right, or wrong.

Are you positive that McKenzie and Gruden aren't working together?

Couldn’t agree less ....

The Faders have to find a replacement for the 2nd most important position in football and at a position that has VERY FEW PEOPLE that posses that skill set ...

They have to replace a YOUNG VET just hitting the prime of his career and a dude on a HOF trajectory who not only plays the 2nd most important position on the field but he plays it at a level WAY BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE TODAY ...

We’ll talk in 5 years ... i think the Bears got a STEAL!!!

As my papa used to say ....

Khalil Mack’s dont grow on trees ... ok ... maybe it was money but u get my point ... *L* ...

For me .. all I care about and all that matters to me is ... IT MAKES WEEK 4 MUCH MUCH MORE WINNABLE ...

The Isle will DEFINETLY be a happy place week 4 ..

9/9

You couldn't agree less w/seeing the good and the bad for both teams in this deal? You think it is absolutely a one-sided win for the Bears? Seriously?

Tell me Nostradamus, what does this do for the Bears this year? Does it put them above Minni, Green Bay, and Detroit in their division. Almost all publications had the Bears finishing last this year. Do they make the playoffs w/this move? Will they not miss having two first round picks as they move forward trying to catch up to the Vikings and Packers?

The freaking NFC is loaded w/good teams. Philly, New Orleans, Rams, Vikings, Packers, Atlanta, Cowboys, etc. Do you really think that the Bears are going to become a playoff team this year? Next year? The following year?

I'll stick w/this trade not being a heist for either team. I can see both sides of the trade. I only give the edge to the Raiders because I don't see how the Bears are going to overtake the rest of the NFC in the next few years and the Raiders are the team w/the future picks and they play in the weaker AFC.

Sure, we can do something like that. Sig bets are always fun.

Their win total is hard to predict. Last year that division was:

KC: 10-6.
LAC: 9-7.
OAK: 6-10.
DEN: 5-11.

I think KC will be slightly less competitive as Mahomes has some growing pains, especially if Watkins gets injured as usual, while Oakland will be more competitive. Denver will be more competitive, but still the bottom dwellers.

My head tells me the Chargers are finally primed to re-claim the throne, but I feel like they always seem to underachieve.

So it feels cheap, but I feel like they could have three teams in that division who are capable of 9 to 10 win seasons - the question is who comes out on top.

I'll go bold and say the Raiders get 10 wins in a tough division. A step back from their 2016 record of 12-4, but cementing themselves once again.

As for their receivers, I think Amari Cooper is criminally underrated. He was a pro-bowler in each of his first two seasons, but year three he missed two games, missed Carr for two games and had some struggles. How quickly we forget this kid was considered a rising superstar.

I also think Jordy Nelson has some left in the tank. I've loved watching him play. He's still a solid #2. He's a Hundley-ruined year removed from two consecutive 1,200 yard-13+ TD seasons.

Those are their studs, but the group of Seth Roberts, Dwayne Harris, Jared Cook and Johnny Holton are a nice unit. None of them will be awesome, but all of them can make some yards here or there. Seth Roberts is quietly a 400 yard guy, Holton made some huge plays with limited chances last year, Harris was always under-utilized in Dallas; the guy can be a real threat.

Of course, it all depends on Derek Carr, but I think he can get back to where he was. This kid was the next big thing and that seems to have died off. I'm not sure why - even amongst their struggles last year, he was still a solid quarterback.

Maybe I am overrating them, but I feel more like people want to pretend this team sucks just because Chucky rubs people the wrong way. This team isn't far removed from being one of the most exiting teams in their league until they lost their quarterback on the eve of the playoffs.

Not upset we didnt get him. Would be a nice addition but the cost HAS to be considered. The money and draft picks for future players is so risky. With our luck, Mack would have tore his ACL getting off the plane in Cleveland. Their is a time and cost u can afford to pay for one player, but this wasn't the deal we wanted. just like an auction, always seems to be one person out there that values certain items a lot differently. Good for him though !

Soooo...in three years we may be facing paying Garrett 25 mil/year at this rate.

jeesh... 22.5 mil for Donald and suddenly 23.75 for Mack...a pretty substantial jump when you consider just two years ago most people were saying that only QB's were worth more than 20 mil.

Heck, even Von Miller couldn't top the 20 mil mark.

This is probably one reason why the Browns didn't aggressively pursue a trade for Mack.

It feels weird to say it because it isn't proven and it's us, but I honestly think Myles Garrett could potentially emerge as the best pass rusher in the NFL this season.

Yep. There are some great pass rushers in the league at the moment, but I really think Garrett could be the best.

I'm with you. I'm not optimistic about the Browns, but I am for Myles. I actually feel we have something BIG there with him. I honestly and truly do.

I read an article, and I can't recal where right off the top of my head, that said that McKenzie didn't want to trade Mack, and was blindsided by the trade.
I'll have to look for it later.

This article sure doesn't make it sound that way.

Reggie McKenzie says Khalil Mack trade came together in 'final hour'

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/raider...ther-final-hour

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From one team executive who spoke to Raiders about Mack, speaking of Reggie McKenzie: “It was crystal clear to me that Reggie didn’t want to trade Mack.”

That's exactly what the article I posted said in it. He wanted to get a deal done with Mack. In the end, he put out a trade proposal he felt nobody would match, but someone did and in the final hours they felt they couldn't make a deal with Mack.

I know it isn't some Twitter message, but it is actually an article that quotes McKenzie and interviews him about the situation.