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The abuse started at this point..."Several things went wrong in short order. DURING an argument, wifey walks across the room, picks up the baby, goes back to hubby, and continues the argument. She either pokes, prods, or lightly punches hubby in the chest." And escalated from there, I believe under the law she was the provoker.

"wifey threw hubby's beer in the garbage, and hubby locked her out of the house. Wifey was about to throw a brick threw a window," Picking a fight?

Just like I thought, based on the actions of your story.

Just as I stated. Men who abuse women, typically find women that allow abuse to continue out of multiple factors. Fear, rejection, thinking they will change, thinking its for the better, etc. ALL of these thought processes, are there because the ABUSER brainwashes the victim into thinking these things. Abusers know who and what types they can do this do, and seek them out. Which is why their actions ESCALATE. It starts with yelling, then goes to usually grabbing, then leads to a simple smack "that she deserved and made him do ", then it goes to fistl. EVERY TIME.

Remember when I said this type of behavior is systematic a few post ago. There you go. I take it by this statement, she grew up in a house where she was abused, and I bet her mother was abused by her father. Guess what, because SHE WAS NOT REMOVED from that house, now she is going through it herself, and putting her child through it as well. Another example of why they should step in. Thank for letting us know.

Obviously, as I stated before, she has been abused to the point where she can no longer dictate to her own well being, or for her child. Your entire argument was predicated this was a ONE TIME instance, and that we shouldn't break up a family over a simple mistake in judgment, yet know we know this guy is a POS, has done this before, and will do this again. If the mother is not able to keep herself safe, or her child which she cannot based on still wanting to live there, you just made the case against yourself - that the authorities need to remove them.

Shouldn't that determination be made by someone intimately familiar with the situation and the people involved, rather than by total strangers, who benefit financially from tearing this family apart?

If the kid ODs and dies at 17 because he or she grew up with no father figure, but the woman does not get slapped again, is that what you all call a better outcome?

Asked my son again about wifey's situation with parents, little info other than she is desperate to get out of her parent's house, not just teenage freedom out, but out of something very negative. Girlfriend apparently knows details, but will not discuss it.

Every decision made to stop something like this, should always ponder "compared to WHAT?"

So you think the actions of the women, deserved her getting hit? That's your post your making?

Also, we have learned this was not the first time as Nelson just posted.

Bro gthoh with that crap. I know you like to post controversial stuff to get a rise out of people, but I am amazed that you would stoop to the level of making an excuse to beat a women. . . .maybe its shame on me for thinking better.

No, it should not. Someone who is intimately familiar or involved, cannot be biased enough. that is why we have judges and a justice system to oversee things like this, so the right thing is done without bias.

so you are saying the kid will be a mess because he has no father figure. I am contending he will be messed for growing up in a house where he and his mom get beat on a nightly basis. I am so going to state and statistics show this to be true, that those who grow up in abusive households, tend to become abusive themselves. So there's that.

Your story is extremely typical of cases like this, as I have pointed out again and again, and has literally been the REASON we need others to step in. This girl has been abused at home as you have stated growing up, she is abused by her husband, as you have stated multiple times. She has no where to go, no where to turn too. Maybe the reason she wants to stay with her husband, is because the abuse she is getting from him, is not as bad as the abuse she got from her home - so if that's the case, again - she needs to know there authorities to help her.

Your OP was to show that we don't need these agencies, yet after we have gone down the rabbit hole with the story - it is has done the opposite, and proved ALL THE MORE why we do.

Not at all just saying they both had taken a part in the situation. No one should beat anyone she should not have poked him and he should not have hit her they both seem to have violent tendencies. Throwing his beer away and then wanting to toss a brick...him locking her out the situation was whack.

They both should have been arrested for domestic violence.

From what I am hearing, wifey is most definitely no shrinking violet. The brick part of the story kinda shows that.

So, you are insisting that she is so damaged that she cannot reliably make her own decisions, when they disagree with what you want done? I find that to be an exceptionally dangerous attitude. Personally, I would say that such a determination cannot be made without a long, in-depth personal interview. Taking away someone's personal freedom to that extent is a momentous decision which should not be made so lightly.

Maybe her dad just doesn't let her smoke pot, or makes her go to church regularly?

There is a consistent pattern among many people to assume so many details are the way they, personally, want the situation to unfold, and what is really needed is more information rather than poorly informed proclamations of righteousness.

Ok now. This is more like it. Some of you do not agree with my assessment that Stress is the root cause. That is fine.

So I am not promoting wife beating and I am not making excuses for bad behavior.

Like pulling teeth.

Willit, you are assuming the situation with parents is abusive, at NO POINT did I make such a statement as you are claiming. You are seeing what you want to see, not what is actually there because we do not know.

You said I stated it plainly. That is just not true. You have a tremendous bias in a situation where you DID clearly state that there should not be any.

My friend Ron grabbed his fiance's wrists and twisted them, HARD. He then shoved her several feet backwards.

He did these things to stop her from plunging a 10-inch butcher knife into his chest, just in time, and so he could get out the door. I asked a court-appointed counselor if in this situation Ron's actions were justified, and he said absolutely not. I guess Ron should be dead now. Nothing whatsoever was done to the fiance by the court.

That is what the bias of the legal system looks like.

For someone who is constantly complaining about the words people use, check mine. I never insisted, I am giving my opinion based on the information at hand that you have given. Big difference. But I would ASSUME based on the information provided, that no I don't believe she is or would be capable to do so.

Is that not what the authorities do in situations like this, which is what you are saying they should not. Which is it? You do realize when they come in, they investigate it right? The interview both parties, and then make a determination.

I completely agree. However, we are talking about a baby that has no say, or voice. That changes things. The child needs an advocate to do whats best for it. The mother, BASED ON YOUR INFORMATION - has proven in my mind she is not fit to make that decision. Maybe authorities would deem otherwise.

let me ask you a question, if a drug addict mother shoots up at a stop sign and passes out with a baby in the back seat of the car, do you think they should get the baby back right away?

The patterns I am seeing are excuses for a women to get beat and a child to be left in a home to get abused.

Or you can just be a wife of some people on this board, they knock your teeth out for free

I think you are just making up this story as you go along.

And to some of you, if I say a guy has lung cancer because he smoked 2 packs of cigs per day for 40 years, you will say I am making excuses for his lung cancer.

No, willit, that is not what the authorities do. Not at all, not even a little bit, or Ron would not have faced jail time and a thousand dollar fee to pay.

What happens, at least in my area, is to farm out these interviews to third party companies. Like, specifically, the one that Ron had to pay over $1000 to. If they say Ron did nothing wrong, they do not get paid.

Ron showed me the knife, and the door. I believe he was telling me the truth. The company rep agreed with the scenario as I described it, and insisted Ron did wrong, and they got their $1000. Actually closer to $1500.

The short version of what the authorities do, is "Man BAD, Woman GOOD". Sometimes, maybe a majority, they are correct, but also, very often, they are dead wrong.

Or do you also think that a woman is a better parent for a teenage boy than a man, 95% of the time?

Usually your analogies are amusing and tend to reflect the topic, this one falls short.

The lung cancer would be the husband in this analogy. Cancer doesn't have a choice when it attacks someome- people do.

This type of attitude dates back to a time when women and children were beaten on a regular basis and people just shut up about it because they felt they should "mind their own business". As such, children grew up abused, battered and beaten. Now we have protection to prevent such things yet some wish to go back in time where women and children are victims. MAGA

Ohhh so your saying only if ron did something wrong they get paid...do you have a link for that, or is that just more contrived bs to try to make a point? Because as Eve pointed out, no one really believes your story, or at least where it has gone since it started. You keep trying to twist the situation after the conversation started - all the while proving my point for solidly.

That, or you should really really look to who you associate with. Because it seems like you hang around a lot guys accused of domestic violence and in trouble a lot. . . .

Changing the subject now? This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, other than the fact your are REACHING to try to pull your original point across, which you have so eloquently failed to do.

Heres what I think, and I have been pretty civil throughout this, and this is the last I am going to respond.

I think that you have an anterior motive here with your post. I don't believe this happened (or if it did, you have changed the story vastly to try to prove your anterior motive). I think you have some twisted version in your head that you are hinting about this and that, all the while "schooling" people.

I think you motive here is to try to get people to get caught up in their own words so you can say "see gotcha" when in fact, you have only shown us and the entire board that you condone spousal abuse. You say you don't, but honestly - and I ask this to all reading this- does anyone really think at this point you don't either condone it, or wish and want that fabric to be like it was? You like to post a lot to people, to PROVE to them how smart you are, to try to show dominance over those with whom you feel superior. If you cannot tell, I have studied this subject in the past, and guess what? All those tendencies you are showing with regards to your IQ over others on the board, are the same tendencies that abusive husbands do their wives. Just so you know. I see right through you, and I would contend that you regardless of what you have posted, I feel like you are trying to make an excuse for yourself, or those close to you to having committed actions like this. To each their own. I have no need to continue the conversation. My points have been made, and those that have read the thread can see where each of us lay on this topic.

Please don't try to make this a political issue. Its not.

I have been called a right wing nut on this board, but you know my stance on this.

Its more of a generation issue. Now, domestic abuse is not generational, as we see with the NFL, it is still very prevalent. However trying to normalize the behavior is generational. Its not sided to the left or right.

So within a year they've made all these crazy decisions AND he's become an abusive alcoholic?

Seems like you're upset because the couple should get to work things out on their own terms... you're right.

But not with a child in their custody.

I do think it's whack that someone can lose their job over "allegations", but you've obviously confirmed what is fair to assume is true.

Hopefully these people get their lives together. Big lessons will be learned and it always sucks when a single stupid event can affect you for the rest of your life. In this case I think it's all for the best - the next event may not have been as forgiving.

Well this is the political forum so I was just trying to do my part.

Willit, the name of the company is AIM target. Still in business, SFAIK. They are the ones who take your money.

I had a conversation with an official of the company. Based in Tallahassee. What happens is that the judge asks you go to AIM target for an "evaluation". I questioned whether one was done. Here is a quote from the official of this company. "There is no evaluation. The judge is using the wrong word. Everyone sent here gets the full program." Women's name was Cartland or Cartwright, something similar.
Note THE JUDGE IS USING THE WRONG WORD. This is a for-profit civilian agency overruling a judges request.

I asked you about the 95% custody because those are the accurate numbers. They do not seem possible in a fair and unbiased system as you stated it was. It is not fair and unbiased. Women win, every time.

Ah, yes, America. Known for it's fair and unbiased systems.

I'm trying to stay out of this thread, because we don't need everyone and their mother informing Nelson that hitting a woman is wrong. However, my favorite part is when Nelson told his kid to check how many cans of beer were in the garbage can while deriding the government for being too overbearing. That made my week.

Also, when you get divorced in Florida, right after the Bobby Noonan Daycare shooting, you get a hard time.

Remember the pay or appear program? Made national news, was discussed on this board. You have never heard of Visit or Appear, have you? It existed, at least for a time. No woman was ever sentenced for refusing visitation, because that court never held a hearing.

Tell me about fair and unbiased.

Would you like to know how I got sent to AIM target? Ever heard me quote the Florida castle doctrine, from memory? My ex-wife's previous ex-husband, illegally and forcibly entered my home, threatened me in my own living room, and I told the wife that next time, I would kill him. In accordance with, and quoting, the law. She left out the forcible entry, and just said I threatened her ex. A convicted child molester, on the state website and everything. I had to pay over $1000 to a civilian agency that refused to follow a judicial order. For protecting my own home. Purely because a woman said so.

You're a lawyer and you threatened to murder someone? lmao

Perhaps I have you mistake with someone else, but, aren't you a self described 'genius'? Don't you have some unbelievable I.Q. level?

I think nelson likes "stories" a little much, and makes up post as he goes.

Honestly this thread has me feeling like Eve during daytime programming. So many crazy twists and turns.

Let's get a clear handle on this. NO ONE, not hubby, not wife, not girlfriend, wanted what has happened. No one. I do not buy that this girl is brainwashed. I do not believe staying with parents is best for all. I do not believe this family will EVER be put back together.

Somebody just like my Grandpa needs to have a talk with hubby. Not hit him over the head with a legal club. Both spouses have issues, Both need to learn better mechanisms. NOT from some egghead reading things out of a book. From actual married people, or divorced, who base their knowledge on the real world, not the imaginary crap these people work on.

You wanna know what the AIM guy said about disagreements? She is right, you are wrong. If it is a serious matter, wait till she leaves, then pack up and move out. ABUSE is anytime a husband says no to his wife. ABUSE is anytime the husband does not do what she wants. This man heard Ron's story, exactly as told, for the first time, and insisted Ron was in the wrong. The man's name was Eric and he taught art at a local school.

Eric said you should never call your wife, "your wife". Ownership. I said Eric, try a little test. Next time you are at a social gathering, walk over to an attractive, unattached female and introduce yourself, then point to YOUR WIFE, and say "this is linda". Let me know how that works out for you.

I got to PAY for 12 weeks of this type of relentless, ivory tower BS.

Sounds like you just hate women, and don't mind abuse. You wouldn't happen to be a priest in your spare time, would you?

I thought you just said eric was a worker at AIM, now he teaches art at the local school.......spesshhhh, keep going bro, your doing Greeaaattttttt.

Under Florida law, Castle Doctrine, if someone forcibly and illegally enters your home, use of lethal force is authorized.

I explained this to the board many years ago, LOOK IT FREAKING UP. It is public domain.

So, NO, I DID NOT make any threat of any kind. I stated I would act in accordance with the law.

You all can make up whatever you wish to believe. You would do it anyway, so what's the difference? Have yourselves a jolly good time. Come on down to Florida and just walk into any front door you please.

AIM Target is a part-time job. He did both. Not too hard to figure out, but just continue deciding what is reality and what is not.

Both lines about abuse you quoted were spoken by Eric, not by me.

So you didn't mean it as a threat but as a ?

Reasonable action as provided for by law?

Wow, CHS, I never stated I was a lawyer, and I believe I clearly stated I was not. I know it is hard for you, but please stop lying.

I think the sun has baked your brain too long. Or you need to step away from the drugs.

So, your ex wife's ex husband broke into your home and threatened you, and you told your ex wife 'next time I'll kill him"?

Why didn't you stand your ground right then and there? You said he forcibly and illegally entered your home and threatened you.


Apparently, you weren't concerned for you life or well being. I do think those are issues that arise in 'castle doctrine'.

so you're telling me the divorce lawyer you boasted about besting was your ex-wife's? Noooooooooo this is too much.

I was literally just going to bring this up. lol

Its not exactly stand your ground, if you didn't STAND YOUR GROUND now is it......