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That's narrow-minded thinking.

Right.

I’ve never commented on this til now ... i actually haven’t really said a word about Dorsey yet ...

When we first made the trade i was LIVID ,,.. OUT OF MUY MIND PEED ... especially with the unique situation ast off season created wth QB’s ... u had Cousins, Smith, Keenum, Bradford, Bridgewater and even McCarron ...

I was actually LIVID after FA ... only move i liked was VICE GRIPS ...

I decided to let it play out and wait til the puzzle was complete ... man am i glad i did FOR ONCE .. *L* ...

cause i look at each move including the draft after the 1st round and don’t like hardly any of the moves ... but when i look at the FINISHED PRODUCT I am EXTREMELY PLEASED with how it all came together and the talent we now have ... not exactly sure how that works but its how i feel ..

At first i was peed about the TT trade cause i thought they’d release him ... then my anger subsided and i realized cutting him was never gonna happen cause someone would trade for him ... so i was then OK with trading for him ... thought the 3rd was a little high but since I HAD/HAVE NO CLUE what other offers were out there .. i wrote it off as the cost of doing business ...

Then the market played out (Smith and Cousins) had done deals before we traded for TT .... the way it payed out and who went where ... I’M NOW THRILLED we traded for him ... THRILLED ..

And i knew his shortcomings way more than most having lived in Jills nation and having a ton of good friends that are Jills fans .... most have no clue like any fan base but there were a few that knew there stuff and i trust ...

At first i was really upset ... but once things shook out and I see what there doing ... saying i’m THRILLED is prolly a stretch cause he’s not that good .. but i’m not sure there could have been a better outcome for us ...

After last week your prolly madder about it now ... *L* ....

Are u still “as” upset about it since the dust settled?

Diam, I will ask (and probably a few times) ... is your optimism the same? How did you feel about last week? Did it change your attitude (for better or worse)?

Good question ... thanks for asking ... i’ll go reply in the optimism thread .. it seems to be the appropraiate place to do it ... *L*

Hope u don’t mind ...

Thanks again for asking ..

U are forming your opinion now cause u haven’t seen much of him ... from someone whose watched plenty of him ...

The spots on a leopard don’t change ... if your expecting TT to all of a sudden be good at recognizing coverages and reading things quickly .. your gonna be SORELY DISSAPOINTED ...

Its not who he is ....

He’s not going to play as bad as he did last week but once or twice more all season ... BUT he’s never going to be good at “recognizing or reading” coverages quickly ... just not who he is ...

So Game 4 and 10 days prep, HERE COMES MAYFIELD.

And it's NOT A QB CONTROVERSY.

IMO that would be beyond STUPID for 4 or 5 reasons ...

Not last nor lest would be BAKE’S NOT READY YET ...

Dude’s played one bad game and ya’all are ready to send in the rook struggling with reads ...

Just say Noooooooooooooo ...

TT deserves a FAIR SHAKE and 3 or 4 or even 5 games isn’t a FAIR SHAKE IMO ...

Man ,,, i really hope he plays one of his 2 or 3 lights out games this week ... that’d quiet the dawgs for at least a week ... and u guys are KILLING ME with this bench TT stuff ...

I agree with your post. Missing on some draft selections means a whole lot less to me that what would have been a breathtakingly horrible trade for McCarron. I'm okay with missing on clear talent that has never played at the NFL level - but McCarron just objectively was never worth that price tag.

I do, however, disagree on the use of a 3rd for a bridge. A 3rd round pick to increase the chances of the first overall pick becoming a franchise quarterback? I'll take that.

Already, Baker has spoken the world of Tyrod in terms of showing him the ropes and showing him how a professional quarterback conducts himself. The whole team has said nothing but positivity from the moment Tyrod arrived. I'm over the moon that his professionalism, class and leadership has been present to set an example for Mayfield.

Now, he's showing Mayfield on the field. I'd guarantee that what we heard throughout camp is continuing now - Mayfield a sponge, Tyrod dripping with knowledge for him to absorb. They'll be watching film together in O meetings and QB meetings. Tyrod's veteran input will be valuable in setting that example as Baker learns from what he is seeing and what he is told.

It's also buying Baker plenty of time to continue his learning without being thrust into the line-up. Our OL hasn't been great at this stage, and Mayfield is still clearly raw. This time that Tyrod is buying for Mayfield is valuable. Every week Baker learns is just more time under his belt to learn something new without the immediate pressure of needing to perform without the constant questions and criticisms lingering over his head.

And with each step, we're another step closer to being a better team. To having the right team to put around a younger quarterback. I said it many times about Kizer last year: He wasn't ready, but neither was the team. Already, our overall team has clearly improved. I think the same can be true again next year.

A 3rd rounder for a one-year stop gap is a high price. You're not wrong. But if that 3rd rounder is parlayed into assisting develop a legitimate franchise quarterback for this organization, it's a damn good investment.

Exactly

Browns get Taylor for #65 pick (first pick in third round) -- One year bridge QB
Saints get Bridgewater for 3rd Rounder (unknown pick) - potential long-term replacement to Brees

Which one makes more sense?

JMO, but I'd rather use that #65 pick on potential long-term players than a stop gap. Guys who went in a similar spot (#65- ish range) like, Alvin Kamara, Cooper Kupp, Larry Ogunjobi, Juju Smith-Schuster, Kenyon Drake, Tyler Lockett, Tevin Coleman, Duke Johnson, etc., etc than in unquantifiable "assisting to develop" QB for one year. We have coaches who are supposed to do much of that "developing".

Even the guys that didn't work out at a simiar draft range I'd prefer for the potential than a stop gap QB. Plus, we could have procured a QB for far less if we were that concerned about the assistance in the development of a QB, IMO. Like, I don't know, Drew Stanton?

We traded for Taylor for his on the field play more than his resume as a QB whisperer. And I think it was simply too much.

I don't know TT's ability as a QB whisperer... but I do know that I love his attitude and leadership. Forget which preseason game it was where he hurt his left wrist and was in obvious and a lot of pain - dude went back out there and balled. I think that plays as big or bigger part of what we paid for TT.

AND - you're comparing two transactions that are impossible to equate. Bridgewater wasn't available when we got TT to the best of my recollection. This comparison is like waiting 5 years after a draft and saying - damn, we should have selected Tom Brady. He was available for a 6th round pick. We made the play that we thought was right at the time with what was on offer.

I believe Bridewater was a FA. We had to trade for Tyrod. So, only one was technically available.

And I won't debate you on the leadership and attitude part. I COMPLETELY agree with you. I just don't believe the combo of past performance and this intangible of overall attitude justified the #65 pick.

To be fair, I was fine gettting him if the organization wanted him as a bridge, but just not for the price we paid. I thought he would have been traded for peanuts at some point because of his salary or given his outright release (even with the big cap hit) because the Bills clearly were going in a different direction.

My take is that if we signed Bridgewater when he was a FA - it would have been as the future of the franchise. At that point in his injury recovery and career I would have been unhappy to forgo a QB with the 1st pick in the draft and taking Bridgewater. Not least because of his injury history. I don't think you can understand the importance of having a leader, veteran QB who knows and appreciates and accepts his role as a QB for today - trying to win as much as possible - and also knowing the future of the franchise is waiting in the wings and you are mentoring him to replace you. . . . Seems TT fits that role perfectly. And with 14 or 15 draft picks, it was a solid investment to trade for him.

I'm expecting better from him in the game against NO. I think if we see the 'good TT' we'll fel much better about it all.... and then in 3 or 4 or 5 games he will probably have a 'bad TT' game. Between Vers and Diam - I think you have the total picture of what to expect from him.

It didn’t take long for Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes to realize the upside of having a season on the bench. “I definitely benefitted from having that year to learn to not try to take the big shot at every single play.” https://trib.al/zJmxzXM

That's great for Patrick Mahomes, but I don't think Baker Mayfield has that same specific problem. In the end the coaches, hopefully, know best and they say that Tyrod Taylor is the best QB for this team at this time.

I am sure that fans on a message board know more than the coaches do as to who is the best qb to lead the team. I am sure that Hue is playing favorites because he knows his job isn't on the line and that is why he is playing Taylor over Mayfield.

tt is not tt.so his has game from the get go is flawwd