DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 21 Jets 17 Hue's make or break week.

We have SOME players now.

Do you honestly believe you can spend two years ripping a team down to the bare bones and build it all back in one off season?

Let's be real here. If Hue has a terrible season, he's gone. And I have zero problem with that. If changing coaches mid season actually accomplished anything maybe I could see your point.

But it doesn't. You bring in a temporary band aid that won't be here next year and have to start all over next season anyway.

We have a new OC, all new RB's an entire new QB room, a new LT and many new WR's. And you're ready to blow everything up after week three?

This fan base never ceases to amaze me.

PitDawg: Nail meet hammer! Perfect logic, nothing to add, now refs lock the thread and let's move on!

We’ve only lost one game this year or have i missed something ... *L* ...

I think it would be a bad idea to fire Hue this early in the season as well. I don't think he'll actually be fired this week either. But if we lose this week, fans are going to be uncontrollable. It's going to start all the talk about Hue being on the hot seat in the media. The Baker chants are going to be full force. It's going to be the discussion every week. A win puts a band-aid on everything for a while.

OldColdDog has a point that the Browns deserve credit for how well they've played in the first two games. I still think we are close to a 500 team, but our fans and especially our media are impatient from all the losing over the years and like to run everyone out on a rail.

Contrary to what you and tweedle Pitdawg think, I don't think Haslam or anyone else in the Browns organization reads me on this board and values my influence. I'm not posting what I want to happen, I'm posting what will happen. You two can talk about it at your next he-man Sashi hater's meeting next Tuesday.

.@AlbertBreer on @BullandFox: "There's a lot of pressure on Hue and that entire coaching staff. I think anytime you've got a GM inheriting a coach, that coach is going to be on the watch list. If you don't win this game, there's going to be pressure on everyone"

https://twitter.com/KeithBritton86/status/1042526340396838913

I don't think Hue Jackson is a good coach, but the main reason I wanted him gone this off-season was so that we wouldn't have to go through this. Head coaches who are not fired when a new GM is hired rarely survive (I went through and looked at this during the off-season, I will try and find the post). Even if Jackson made/makes it through this year, then if he failed next year it would be the same thing all over again. The guillotine is hanging over his head, it's a matter of when, not if, it falls.

Hope we win. What are your pronouncements based on? I don't think Hue has a bunch of leash this season, but not sure this is make or break at all. I presume if we win this one, the next prediction comes out just like this?

bad record. we have looked better IMO.

We have more posts about this type of BS than we do about actual football. It's so...

Mostly what I hear around me at work and with friends and even on this board. Baker rumblings started week 1 and "Hue was an idiot for starting Taylor".

Week 2 was all the kicker's fault until people heard he was hurt and then it was back to Hue's fault again. (In my opinion this was Hue's best coached game. There weren't many stupid penalties or clock management issues.)

We knew before the season started that Hue was on a short leash. Our last win was December of 2016 and most coaches just don't get that much slack. I think we are playing good football and we just need more time for our new offense to gel a bit. I think we should beat the Jets this week and we should beat the Raiders next week. The problem with football though, is that any team can win on any given Sunday and a fluke win by the Jets this week is a death blow that Hue won't overcome fast enough. Fans will get militant if we lose this week!

If we beat the Jets, a fluke win by the Raiders won't do as much damage. Hue will have the monkey off his back already. People will relax a bit. If we lose to both the Jets and the Raiders, I don't think Hue will be around for the Ravens game. If for some reason he managed to last for the Ravens game, I'm not so sure we'll match up to the Ravens very well. Then it's the Chargers, a hot Bucs team, and the Steelers again. It's just a downward spiral if we lose this week.

IMO, it's not make or break for Hue, it is make or break for the players. They know they have the talent, it's about put up or shut up.

Just win a freaking game!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Is that too much to ask?

True. Totally agree. please win tonight.

I don't think it's Hue's last game if he doesn't win tonight (I don't think it should be, either), but I think if we lose, he will get fired this year. He just looked defeated after the Saints game...if this ball gets rolling, I don't know if Hue will be able to stop it. That's why this game is a make or break game for Hue...he needs this as much as the players.

At some point, you have to win games...being competitive isn't enough. We've had plenty of games we could have won the last 2+ years, but we just don't execute when we need it the most. In my opinion, that falls on the head coach.

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On the topic of thread, the Browns need a win tonight or the pressure is going to continue to mount. Hell, on Cleveland Browns Daily that is produced by the Cleveland Browns, they said this is the most important game that Hue has coached since his time with the Browns.

I'm confident the Browns win. A loss would be ugly up there tonight.

No reason to hate Sashi. He's not even here anymore. And for that same reason, there's no cause to love him anymore either. Tweetle dumber?

I think it's probably true that Hue's seat gets hotter if we lose tonight. I don't agree with it, as I rarely agree with the talking heads... but I expect that's what they'll say (fire him now) if we lose.

I really hope we have more patience than this. I have issues with Hue, particularly things that he has said in the past, some of his decisions, etc. I'm not looking to rehash all that. I like how the team is looking right now. I like how the young talent that we've brought in has already shown improvement, to varying degrees.

I'm just looking for competitive games, noticeable/significant and sustained improvement of play on the field over time and in all phases of our team. I think we've seen that so far, so I'm not going to flush that down the drain because of one loss. We are not far enough removed from the extreme overhaul that has taken place (nor is it complete). Bailing now would be insane.

jk

Quite frankly I don't care about Hue one way or the other.....if he can win here great keep him, and if not let him go AT SEASON'S END!!! As some have said there is no benefit from firing him after week 3. If that is the rationale they should have canned him last year.

What I do care about is the Browns, and I do believe this week is huge, and will go a long way deciding how many wins we will get this year. I've never been delusional enough to think this team can go anything better than 6-10, but a loss here really could spiral the season out of control, and the culture rebuild we are attempting.

Screw the Hue question, this is a must win for the BROWNS.

I think there is a 0% chance Jackson gets fired this week no matter the result of the game. I do think if it’s a lopsided loss the ball will start to roll against him.

Agreed. Zero chance he would (and should) be fired if we lose tonight. But the conversations will take place, no doubt. And so will the "Start Baker" conversation. And based on how we lose, I might be leading the Baker stuff.

if the Browns win tonight... will the fans stop calling for him to get fired?

No. People we calling for him to get fired halfway through his first season.

If he goes 8-8 you're still going to have a select few that won't shut the hell up.

Hue goes 8-8, he best stay. That's a superbowl record as far as I'm concerned for the Browns.

This.

I understand that some fans have made their mind up regarding Hue. 1-31-1 is a hard record to accept or feel warm and fuzzy about.

And if you have made your mind up - then I understand that every chance you get you try to create a narrative that this is a "must win" or "Hue has to go" week.... But I gotta say it's old and I just want to get behind the team and see them win. It's almost like some folks feel it's more important for Hue to be fired than to root for a win for the team.

I'm expecting a win. I'm hoping for a BIG win - by more than 2 TDs. Jet's D is good - but I think so is our D. I think we have much better pieces on Offense. TD's from Njoku (who has to turn the corner right?) Hyde and Landry.

First off, 8-8 is out the window. We already have a tie. But a 7 or 8 win improvement from one year to the next should have him keeping his job.

The Browns need to start winning games period. Tonight's game is very winnable. If they don't win, then Jackson's seat should be so hot he can't even sit down. I predict the Browns will win and the fridge will be opened!

wouldn't it be 7-8-1 or 8-7-1?

And if we went 8-7-1 I would be soooooo much more made at Gonzales lol

Yes it would but that doesn't change the point. lol

Or 7-7-2

Certainly can't do much worse than 1-32-1.

Perhaps, but firing the coach anytime soon is punting on the season. Not a good thing.

We're in Week 3.

Mark my words: I guarantee you that at some point in another abysmal season Todd Haley will be interim head coach.

On the other hand, he might be the best guy to go forward with.

Has a coach ever even be fired that early in the season?

Don Coryell was originally an interim coach?!?!?!?

Mary Schottenheimer too!

And Jeff Fisher!

And Marv Levy!

Joe Thomas just drilled a FG on NFL Network. Bring him back to be like Lou "The Toe." LOL


Anyway.......I am pretty nervous for this game. I'm really hoping we put up a good showing on TV.

Not a make or break week for Hue.

If anything, we should be trying to figure out how its possible for a HC to lose so many games, but yet his players never give up on him.

Steelers with the same record, and their locker room is in disarray.

It doesn't look like fans are going to wait until the game is over. We need a big rally!

https://twitter.com/JakeAsman/status/1042951015719481346

Hue Jackson should be fired at halftime if he doesn’t put Baker Mayfield in the game. What a joke.

https://twitter.com/DawgPoundNation/status/1042945866963869697

Hue Jackson needs to be fired tonight. Awful, awful tenure from an awful, awful head coach.

https://twitter.com/GmiasWorld/status/1042947692941520898

Baker Mayfield will start second half or Hue Jackson should be fired.

https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason/status/1042940366914088960

Clock is ticking on Hue Jackson

https://twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/1042948129337876486

How long before Hue Jackson gets fired?

Is halftime too soon?

https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1042952210131427328

"Contender" is selling Hue Jackson short.

His players deserve better.
#Browns fans deserve better.
Football observers deserve better.

https://twitter.com/YahooSchwab/status/1042951073428697088

I mean, it's a non-zero chance Hue gets fired tonight if this continues/gets worse, right? I mean, it's over, and to paraphrase Stringer Bell, well get on with it then.