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Thanks for speaking up. Others are afraid to.
This was intended to be an educational thread. It was not a Baker thread. And it certainly wasn't intended to be a fire Hue thread.
Yet, tab and WSU come on here and hijack the damn thread and no one says a damn word, other than you.
Go ask WSU next time some of you have a football question.
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j/c,
--I think that there is a misconception (with some) of Baker in terms of his abilities of going through his progressions.
--Most timing (hot) plays are designed to be the first read.
--This read is based upon the play called, and what the defense is showing at the pre-snap.
--He made a few mistakes in the game here on his pre-snap reads, but luckly it did not cost us a turn over.
--Watch the tape of the final pre-season game and there is good evidence of him going through his progressions.
--I love the fact that his first series was a two minute hurry up type of situation. We only ended up with three points, but that showed a maturuty of the concept of our offense.
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Upon further review..
The no call PI against Callaway in the end zone.. on 3rd and 6
Hmmph
SB 1st and 1 at the goal.
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Good observations.
A note on Collins. Standing around on a lot of plays. I don't see a determined player.
Ward. The strip was huge. Turned the game.
For a rookie I love the young man. He is playing good hard nosed football.
Mayfield High School class of 65.
Gotta give some love to Baker man. He has balls.
He stuck some throws in there.
If Callaway can eliminate concentration lapses he could be the steal of the draft.
This win helps in so many ways.
The Raiders better be loaded for the big dawgs. Our defense is going to get after them.
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Good point about Baker's first possession. IMO, it was HUGE that it was a 2 minute drill drive ... really got him into rhythm and firing. Built our momentum as well.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Such drama  ... that was my takeaway upon further review of the game...you don't like it...that happens on a message board. BTW, where did I state that Hue should be fired? I said he's 1-1-1 in my mind...I commended him for being considerate of TT after the game. If I thought Hue should be fired...trust me...I'd say it.
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1st I have re-watched the game several times and Vers is spot on with his assessment Bake indeed wasn't nearly as accurate as was thought.
However, it's not even close when you compare him to anyone we have seen in decades and while Bake was afforded time after practice to get in extra work with the Browns offense I think he was so used to throwing to 2nd and 3rd string receivers or practice squad guys (don't know this part), but the half beat off stuff could be attributed to this single reason. I am hesitant to make excuses and hope that it gets better, I think caution here is of utmost importance.
My hope is this, and you all need to think about this.
#1 We entered the season with the mind set that Bake would sit.
#2 TT is under concussion protocol with the NFL, so for now he isn't our starter even if he is our starter.
#3 Do we abandon our plan, and take our chances?
#4 Is Bake really ready? As was pointed out defenses will adapt, will he be able to adapt and how will he handle having to adapt himself?
This is much more then a he looks better now today thing, and much more of a long term what is best for him and the Browns thing long term. The last thing anyone should want to do IMO is not provide him with every opportunity to ease himself into the NFL. This can't be about winning next week, it has to be a decision based on all the years to hopefully follow.
That said my hope is that TT just isn't ready to play next week due to not being cleared to play, that he remains the starter in name only and that Bake is told exactly that, then we watch and see how he handles the week of preparation and the game to follow. Sense he isn't named the starter it lessons or eliminates the mental part of playing then not playing and if he struggles it will be easy to go back to TT and just simply say TT was our starter from the beginning nothing has changed.
At some point Hue has to commit but that time may not be now.
Just something to think about ?
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It's time to turn the page from Mayfield.
He showed that the stage isn't too big for him. He showed that he can make quick decisions. He showed that he can move within the pocket, find throwing lanes, and make catchable throws. He showed he can lead this team going forward.
It's time to move on. Tyrod is very important. if Baker would get hurt, we need a veteran who can come in and play. However, we saw nothing out of Tyrod like we did out of Baker. It's time to move forward with Baker, and I am quite certain that Hue, and the team, knows it.
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Not saying I am right on this. For me its about next year and all the years to follow with Bake. What is best I have no idea this is where you do a mental assessment and go with your gut when it comes to Bake and I am in no position to make that call. Hard not to say he isn't ready, hard to say he is. With our defense he should have plenty of cover and shouldn't have to carry the team although IMO he did just that on Thursday... I am a solid confused on what to do but I know how important it is to make the right choice... 
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He was mentally light years ahead of TT ... one of the sites I read said it looked like they were playing different sports .... he’s ready to start with the learning curve portion of the program .. Were gonna have some growing pains this year ... theres gonna be some mistakes, jaw dropping and crushing picks ... HE’S READY for that ... so are we ... 
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just going by other players' effort/enthusiasm ... and former players (Aikman, Bush, Warner, etc) comments .. Baker is clearly a good QB in the making
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Is there any offensive line nerds? I'm curious how our highly priced guard Kevin Zietler is playing? What few times I've watched, I was... unimpressed by the fact he was driven back so easily.
Anyone shed any true light on his performance thus far this year?
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--tab made a post about Hue not giving Baker credit. Hue spoke of the "energy." He was talking about what Baker brought to the field. An apology should be issued. Also, the moment between Hue and Baker at the end of the game was very nice.
Don't be unreasonable - Hue doesn't owe me an apology.
Geeze the day I will apologize upon your demand...smh Hue owes Baker an apology and a big, giant THANK YOU for saving Hue's bacon. The insistence on not giving Baker ANY #1 reps was moronic as we saw in pre-season when TT went down...then Hue doubled-down with no #1 reps going forward into the season. Hue built the foundation of a QB controversy and Baker - and TT's concussion - saved his butt and probably his job. In my mind, Hue is 1-1-1 and whiffed on every QB decision he's made since we hired him...he needs to get better.
But Vers, he had chance to compliment and throw his support to Baker at half time. He chose to recognize the "ELECTRICITY" not the QB play.
And what Agenda is this about his Accuracy not being what it appeared to be. Come on man. I saw it over also and he was highly accurate. Throwing the ball in places where his WR had to adjust and just COINCIDENTLY got them away from big hits and/or chances to have the pass broken up. Did our WRs elevate their game...100% but you insist to insinuate that it was not Baker who made them better but instead they who made Baker look better. What's your agenda here??? Upon further review, let us know what really is up here???
A thread to let us know that Baker isn't as good as we thought he was. That what we all saw was a Mirage...lol man, give it up.
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Is there any offensive line nerds? I'm curious how our highly priced guard Kevin Zietler is playing? What few times I've watched, I was... unimpressed by the fact he was driven back so easily.
Anyone shed any true light on his performance thus far this year? Ask WSU.
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My opinion on accuracy is that if the ball is caught and not picked, it was accurate enough. Even incompetents can be accurate throws. Sometimes the window isn't exactly where a QB would want it if they could open wndows.
Toss it out there and maybe your guy makes a play. If not, you live for another down.
Bottom line, I'll take Bakers accuracy any day....at least on the small sample we have.
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Is there any offensive line nerds? I'm curious how our highly priced guard Kevin Zietler is playing? What few times I've watched, I was... unimpressed by the fact he was driven back so easily.
Anyone shed any true light on his performance thus far this year? He's been ..... so so ....thus far. However, he missed most of training camp, and is playing with a new RT next to him.
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He along with the rest of the OL looked pretty good once Mayfield entered the game ...
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So what is with Hue's mystery date approach to starter? Baker outplayed him. Baker won.
TT is in concussion mode until cleared. I start BM for this game. No wait and see for me.
Some of this may be polite and kind to TT on Hue's part. But why take a single thing away from BM if he is now The Man, at least for now, due to injury. Certainly do want to see #3 start. Hope Hue doesn't screw this up with cute junk. Ask Dorsey!
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Its the right thing to do ... nothing more ... nothing less ...
He’ll meet with TT Monday and tell him ... like he should ....
What he tells us after that depends on if he wants to attempt to “play games” with Oakland ....
Everyone in Oakland knows whose starting for us ...
Hue did the right thing ... proud of him ... much better than how he handled Cody two years ago in the press ...
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It's already being reported that Baker will start game 4. Hue just wants to sit down with both guys before he formally announces it, and it is the right thing to do out of respect for Taylor.
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And what Agenda is this about his Accuracy not being what it appeared to be. Come on man. I saw it over also and he was highly accurate. Throwing the ball in places where his WR had to adjust and just COINCIDENTLY got them away from big hits and/or chances to have the pass broken up. Did our WRs elevate their game...100% but you insist to insinuate that it was not Baker who made them better but instead they who made Baker look better. What's your agenda here??? Upon further review, let us know what really is up here???
A thread to let us know that Baker isn't as good as we thought he was. That what we all saw was a Mirage...lol man, give it up. You disgust me. You are the one w/the agenda. Here is the rest of my initial post. And then I went on to talk about outside containment over and over. You hijacked the damn thread because of your agenda. I don't hijack your damn threads and it pisses me off you and WSU ruined this thread. --His leadership is unquestionable though.
--I also really liked how Baker was rooting so hard for the team when he wasn't playing. He seems to be a great teammate.
--Hyde was more physical than I thought.
--Hubbard struggled, but he had a great seal block on our last TD.
--Myles played way more on the left side than I thought. It was usually Avery who was getting sealed.
--Carey played a lot and I didn't see BBC at all on D.
--Chris Smith got juked once, but man, he made some great plays against the run.
--tab made a post about Hue not giving Baker credit. Hue spoke of the "energy." He was talking about what Baker brought to the field. An apology should be issued. Also, the moment between Hue and Baker at the end of the game was very nice.
--Schobert was all over the field.
--I mentioned Ogunjobi in my first post, but he was even better than I thought. This dude could end up being a top DT in this league. He is very quick and has adequate strength.
--I had thought Collins played okay, but man, he gets sealed so easily. It's like he goes through the motions.
--Njoku can't block a lick.
--Haley needs a bra. LOL Dude, try the bench press.
--It was so cool to see the love that was going on between the players and fans after the game.
--Our coaches made better adjustments than their coaches did.
--Higgins made more plays than I thought. He had one very nice catch on the sideline.
--Callaway was abusing Claiborne on one-on-one situations. Those penalties were big. This dude can be something special.
--Duke isn't being used much.
--One thing didn't change. We won again. LOL
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You disgust me. You are the one w/the agenda. Here is the rest of my initial post. And then I went on to talk about outside containment over and over.
You hijacked the damn thread because of your agenda. I don't hijack your damn threads and it pisses me off you and WSU ruined this thread.
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I disgust you...glad to oblige.. meanwhile. Hue a pretty good coach and QB evaluator. Said this:
When Jackson went back and studied the game further, he saw a performance that matched his memory from the night before.
“It was as good as I thought live. He made some tremendous throws. Obviously, he was able to move the team. Played with some rhythm. Got the ball into the playmakers hands and gave them chances to make plays,” he said.But you saw it different: Baker was not as good as he looked Thursday according to you. Agenda??? Why? Make this Thread, not a post but a thread to let us know that Baker isn't all that??? Agenda??? only cause you post a lot via agenda and you never really liked the pick from square one. Tell us again how short Mayfield is.
But I disgust you? You mean I defy to not think that you know as much as you say you do about the QB position...oh wait according to your bud with the brown nose I'm the one that blows his horn...lol 
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You are not allowed to say anything in question of Baker! You can't point out any play where the pass was behind a WR. You can't say how the one pass should have been intercepted. You can't say he was good but he's a rookie and still has room to grow. That's simply not good enough! You must be a blind follower praising the Almighty Baker or face the wrath! Objectivity be damned! 
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You are not allowed to say anything in question of Baker! You can't point out any play where the pass was behind a WR. You can't say how the one pass should have been intercepted. You can't say he was good but he's a rookie and still has room to grow. That's simply not good enough! You must be a blind follower praising the Almighty Baker or face the wrath! Objectivity be damned! I guess i need to not post then
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I made the thread to discuss things I noticed while viewing the game for a second time. It was about the entire team. Baker is a part of the team and I talked about him a little bit, but two of the three comments were extremely positive. You and WSU came in and hijacked the thread. It was a good thread until the two of you ruined it w/your agenda. Again, I don't ruin your threads. I posted on your What I Saw thread and it was all football. I expect you return the favor. And again...............here is my original post. It wasn't a thread about knocking Baker. It was a thread about the freaking game. I watched the game for a second time this evening. Here are some thoughts that I didn't really note the first time around.
--The D won the game. They really only gave up one TD drive. The blocked punt was the other one. They dominated in the second half.
--Mayfield was not quite as accurate as I thought he was. People keep mentioning the drops, but man, there were a lot of really good catches.
--His leadership is unquestionable though.
--I also really liked how Baker was rooting so hard for the team when he wasn't playing. He seems to be a great teammate.
--Hyde was more physical than I thought.
--Hubbard struggled, but he had a great seal block on our last TD.
--Myles played way more on the left side than I thought. It was usually Avery who was getting sealed.
--Carey played a lot and I didn't see BBC at all on D.
--Chris Smith got juked once, but man, he made some great plays against the run.
--tab made a post about Hue not giving Baker credit. Hue spoke of the "energy." He was talking about what Baker brought to the field. An apology should be issued. Also, the moment between Hue and Baker at the end of the game was very nice.
--Schobert was all over the field.
--I mentioned Ogunjobi in my first post, but he was even better than I thought. This dude could end up being a top DT in this league. He is very quick and has adequate strength.
--I had thought Collins played okay, but man, he gets sealed so easily. It's like he goes through the motions.
--Njoku can't block a lick.
--Haley needs a bra. LOL Dude, try the bench press.
--It was so cool to see the love that was going on between the players and fans after the game.
--Our coaches made better adjustments than their coaches did.
--Higgins made more plays than I thought. He had one very nice catch on the sideline.
--Callaway was abusing Claiborne on one-on-one situations. Those penalties were big. This dude can be something special.
--Duke isn't being used much.
--One thing didn't change. We won again. LOL
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Well that is better and I can see that. I just didn't want artificial drama. Less jaw the better IMO. I am OK with respect.
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You talking to me or Pit...lol
1. The D won the game...yeah I know Baker didn't make this win happen??? Agenda?
2. Definitely a lot of good catches but Hue looked at the tape and STATED he was as Accurate as he first thought he was.
But you saw it different, Agenda?
3. Definitely a great leader, nail on the head.
4. Compliments on his Sideline duties as a back up... Agenda?
5. Hyde...is a very good RB glad he is with us!
6. Hubbard has done well. We have to remember he was never a starter in his career but was pressed into service last season and did well. Haly knew him well and a good addition and upgrade on Coleman at RT.
7. Yeah I saw Myles jumping to the other side. Wonder if it was a wide side thing?
8. missed the Carey thing??? will look for it if I rewatch the game, thanks.
9. I stated a lot of things but I need to apologize to Hue or to you???
10. We saw the same thing from Smith, liking him more and more!
11. Schobert is so so good we got lucky on that one! Sashi wasn't all that bad. 
12. Larry is going to get better and better, just the tip of the Iceberg!
13. Njoku, not a lick - we will see if he works on it over the years. Split him out wide more often, can't wait for Devalve to get back.
14. Collins looks to be getting better, its hard for him to play disciplined football. Why I thought Kendricks was a great pick up and now a great loss!
15. Haley, sorry I don't look at his [censored], whatever rocks your world, lol
16. We have good coaches, they are pretty smart.
17. Higgins regained his confidence and was the only guy Mayfield had to throw to, he really respects Mayfield.
18. Calloway, hope that kid stays clean, he is so so good, So much better than Coleman for sure!
19. Duke, just wish we would make up the mind and commit to him as a WR, Duke wants it that way too!
20. Hopefully we can fulfill a novel idea...Win two in a row, was Mangini the last to achieve this?
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I can't wait to see us start working in some more plays that can really take advantage of Baker's abilities. He got the ball out so quickly, and he made good decisions almost across the board. I think that he was really amped, and that affected his accuracy a bit. (and I agree he was just a little off on some of his throws) They were still catchable, though, but I think he'd say that he needs to be better. I see this is the biggest upside thinking. Baker didn't get much, if any of a chance to get with the Ones.. This week it's all working with the ones. My hope is that they can open up the playbook and let things fly. I assume more and more each week. This is gonna be fun..
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You can take your "agenda" accusations and shove them up your butt...........sideways.
I have given Baker more compliments than anything. I'm being honest and I am sick of you questioning my character.
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Baker played a great game! But as with anything else, it wasn't perfect. Like I said, objectivity is thrown out the window and you lead that charge.
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yep its about me and being a bully or something...I got VERS spewing "HATE" beyond belief towards somebody that he doesn't know. I got you with his nose up his butt mimicking every thought.
Where did I say Baker's game was perfect?
Where have I said nobody can criticize him?
All I ask is none agenda. Look from day one Vers was against the pick. How many times has he posted his concerns about Mayfield's height. How many times has that concern turned up on the field of play to be a concern.
All I've heard is BS crapola like holds onto the ball too long, Locks onto WRs....which is total made up BS that is stuff that can be said of ANY QB if you wish to disect them. All I'm told is you are tired of me? Why cause I won't let you Bamboozle fellow posters in having to think like you TWO. When you are wrong.
Now its evil to like our QB. Its disgusting that one would be enthusiastic about the prospect that we actually got the best QB in this past draft and he will turn out to be a PROSPECT that will become one of the ELITES.
You two are sick of me? Lie some more about how all you are is Objective and I wish objectivity to be thrown out the door.
I lead that charge???
Insulting me like no other then point the finger at me.
Stating that I am a blind squirrel cause I was correct about Mayfield. Who does that. You are a fan of the team and we have the possibility of actually garnishing A FRANCHISE QB and you throw BS around as if you know something and call it being Objective and HOW DARE I ask that you be correct in your false accusations. You don't see how you two have painted a Rosen Agenda around yourselves and the way out...POINT THE FINGER AT EO and claim you are victims...lol
I'd say you are disgusting but actually I think you two are funny! Objectivity... that actually is hilarious.
Have a nice day. And yes, right now my butt is a flaming mess that don't wish on anyone, not even you two! But then again I don't "HATE" I don't even know you two. I don't like Liars.
Enjoy your hate and I know you two are waiting in the corner just hoping Mayfield mess up so you can claim some sort of victory...talk about DISGUSTING...
How dare us Browns fans be elated about finally getting a Franchise QB... of course if it was Rosen, you all would be singing a different tune. amazing. Now you two huddle and come up with a different game plan. lol
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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I wish that all of you would take the non football stuff to PM. I am sure that I am not the only one who is sick and tired of reading the same stuff, over and over again ..... "You did!", "No, you did!", "No, You Did!", "No, you did!" ........ "You're mean!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!" ......
Rip each other to pieces in PM, but man, this whole schtick has become more than tiresome, on all sides.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I read the first line of all there posts ... i quit reading then .. not sure if u or anyone else reads more ... not sure why they would ... There behavior brings back awesome memories of being in 7th grade ...
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I wish that all of you would take the non football stuff to PM. I am sure that I am not the only one who is sick and tired of reading the same stuff, over and over again ..... "You did!", "No, you did!", "No, You Did!", "No, you did!" ........ "You're mean!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!", "No, you are!" ......
Rip each other to pieces in PM, but man, this whole schtick has become more than tiresome, on all sides. Very tiresome. Hate we have to be subjected to it's endless amount of crap.
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How much of it do u read?
I’ve read HARDLY ANY of tabbers or Pit’s last 2 or 3 posts ... u could throw another 5 or 6 posters to that list depending on whose in that particular “peeing match” ...
U read much of there posts when they go down those rabbit holes?
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How much of it do u read?
I’ve read HARDLY ANY of tabbers or Pit’s last 2 or 3 posts ... u could throw another 5 or 6 posters to that list depending on whose in that particular “peeing match” ...
U read much of there posts when they go down those rabbit holes? It's not the fact that I read them, generally it's clear when you can skip these posts as they're useless - it's more on the fact that when you're visiting here on the mobile, the clutter makes reading some threads difficult to view/scroll/make sure you don't skip an useful post.
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How much of it do u read?
I’ve read HARDLY ANY of tabbers or Pit’s last 2 or 3 posts ... u could throw another 5 or 6 posters to that list depending on whose in that particular “peeing match” ...
U read much of there posts when they go down those rabbit holes? It's not the fact that I read them, generally it's clear when you can skip these posts as they're useless - it's more on the fact that when you're visiting here on the mobile, the clutter makes reading some threads difficult to view/scroll/make sure you don't skip an useful post. Very true... makes you want to throw your phone.
HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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