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QB will ‘accept full responsibility for his actions and ... mistakes’ BREAKING NEWS MSNBC News Services Updated: 3 minutes ago RICHMOND, Va. - Michael Vick’s lawyer said Monday the NFL star will plead guilty to federal dogfighting conspiracy charges, putting the Atlanta Falcons quarterback’s career in jeopardy and leaving him subject to a possible prison term. The offense is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine, although federal sentencing guidelines most likely would call for less. “After consulting with his family over the weekend, Michael Vick asked that I announce today that he has reached an agreement with federal prosecutors regarding the charges pending against him,” lead defense attorney Billy Martin said in a statement. “Mr. Vick has agreed to enter a plea of guilty to those charges and to accept full responsibility for his actions and the mistakes he has made. Michael wishes to apologize again to everyone who has been hurt by this matter.” Vick’s plea hearing will be Aug. 27, Martin said. Vick is charged with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. Martin’s announcement came as a grand jury that could add new charges met behind closed doors. Prosecutors had said that a superseding indictment was in the works, but Vick’s plea likely means he will not face additional charges. Three of Vick’s original co-defendants already have pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against him if the case went to trial. Quanis Phillips of Atlanta and Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach signed statements saying Vick, 27, participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs by various means, including drowning and hanging. Phillips, Peace and Tony Taylor, who pleaded guilty last month, also said Vick provided virtually all of the gambling and operating funds for his “Bad Newz Kennels” operation in Surry County, Va., not far from Vick’s hometown of Newport News. The gambling allegations alone could trigger a lifetime ban under the NFL’s personal conduct policy. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has barred Vick from the Falcons’ training camp but has withheld further action while the league conducts its own investigation. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20350573/
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I think a lifetime ban from the NFL is way too harsh... 10 years would be much more fair.
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 Regardless, I have a feeling his playing days are over. Hopefully he saved enough of his money to take care of him for the rest of his life, instead of spending the majority on houses, cars, drugs, etc.
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Well,I think a lifetime ban on Pete Rose keeping him out of the HOF was too harsh. But I also feel Vick hasn't "performed to HOF status". As long as his suspension is long enough that he has no legitimate chance of returning to the league as a player,I'm fine with it. Because obviously from looking at his decision making process,he's not coaching material. BTW- Now that's he's agreed to plead out? He's officially a scum bag POS! I never said anything in those regards about him in this matter before. But the verdict is in. He's a worthless scum bag! 
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Regardless, I have a feeling his playing days are over. Hopefully he saved enough of his money to take care of him for the rest of his life, instead of spending the majority on houses, cars, drugs, etc.
Maybe Vick made enough money betting on dogfights, to set himself up for life... 
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I think a lifetime ban from the NFL is way too harsh... 10 years would be much more fair.
Regardless, I have a feeling his playing days are over. Hopefully he saved enough of his money to take care of him for the rest of his life, instead of spending the majority on houses, cars, drugs, etc.
Maybe Vick made enough money betting on dogfights, to set himself up for life...
Perhaps, but from the reports I have read (which in all fairness haven't been that many), he did more paying than he did winning. So apparently, not only was he a run of the mill nfl q.b, he was run of the mill in his other chosen profession.
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I'm glad to see that Vick finally wised-up and realized that a guilty plea was his only real chance at any kind of redemption. I hope he wised-up and realized that his "friends" weren't really his friends. I think he has learned a lesson here--he's learned the importance of the choices he makes.
I hope that now that he's pled guilty, that he will do everything he possibly can to clean up his image. Take a stand against dogfighting and gambling, and address these problems from a position of someone who was enticed by the adrenaline of both.
Most of all, I hope to see Vick in the league again. And I hope that the Michael Vick that comes back into the league will be a Michael Vick that has a new understanding of himself and what he can contribute to the world with the physical gifts he has been blessed with.
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After watching the HBO Inside Sports this past week were they went inside dog fighting, I hope those dogs are awaiting him in the after-life.
Any people involved all need to be "put down" in the same fasion as the dogs. When I saw one scene where they litterally kicked someone's family pet into a pit with 2 pit bulls and it was litterally getting ripped apart, I was pretty much in tears and the rage that filled me was almost overwhelming.
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Realistically, 1 year seems about right to me....to be imposed after he is released from prison.
He is probably looking at 2 seasons lost after "this" season..and then 1 year imposed by the league...that is 4 years.
The guy is done.
I do think the league will delay any imposed sanctions until after his release...that is how I would do it...you might even be able to sidestep the issue all together if the judge nullifies the plea agreement and gives the guy 3-4 years.
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Hopefully he gets what is just. Whatever that sentence might be, both from the justice system and in the form of a ban from the NFL.
Guess that the NFL will suspend him for a least a year. That would mean almost 3 years out of football. This year, full year in jail (as some are speculating) and then year suspension. IF any team is willing to deal with the PR nightmare, he would be a shell of his former self. Backup at best.
Should give up on the NFL and try the arena league. Someone would welcome the PR because it is at least news about their team and they would have one heck of a player for arena league.
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Well "the position" he may or may not be put in during those 12-18 months, might give him an adrenaline rush!
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I actually think one year from the NFL is a bit light... given what Pacman is accused of, he got a year and hasn't plead guilty to any federal felonies... I think Vick has got to get more than Pacman... even if some of it runs concurrently with his prison sentence... I know that seems a bit silly since he obviously couldn't play anyway, but it would help the NFL uphold it's standard.. say he gets 18 months, his NFL ban could be next year and the following year.. that's still 3 years minimum out of the league... And Vick is completely dependent on his physical gifts, it's not like he's a cerebral QB who could come back and rely on his brain... he'll gain weight, he'll be out of shape.. he'd lose another whole year just trying to get back into shape.... So... he's done. 
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I went to his website to wish him "the best" and this is what I got.... Bandwidth Limit Exceeded The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later. I wonder if he'll kill his webmaster for underperforming. Good riddance Vick.
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Was just on the Atlanta MB and believe it or not there are some who have already turned this into a Black/White issue and Still support Vick !! I can't believe what I was reading. That and they want the cap room back that he cost them....too damn bad is my thinking.
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I see your point . . .
I am not an animal lover but to organize dog fighting, then execute by electrocution or drowning dogs that "under perform" is indicative of a very sick mind and yes DC that's not a guy who is "cerebral."
I wonder if the PR and political fallout alone will keep this guy out of the image conscious NFL for a long time. I can imagine all the dog lovers and animal rights activists protesting training camps and games and boycotts if the NFL doesn't put this guy out to pasture.
Also, I wouldn't mind seeing this thug get a little dose of what he did to those poor dogs.
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I have no problem with the NFL giving them Cap relief. As long as it's written into the rules so that all teams would get such relief (in the future). It's not Atlanta's fault that Vick is a dumbass. The only way I would be against relief in a situation such as this would be if he had a prior (to the NFL) record of some kind. Then ya takes your chances when you draft a guy.
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Even if he is allowed to play after 3 or 4 years.... it still begs the question which team would be so desperate as to sign him.... I can't think of any that would.....
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I have no problem with the NFL giving them Cap relief. As long as it's written into the rules so that all teams would get such relief (in the future). It's not Atlanta's fault that Vick is a dumbass. The only way I would be against relief in a situation such as this would be if he had a prior (to the NFL) record of some kind. Then ya takes your chances when you draft a guy.
If they get cap relief, they should relenquish all rights to him.
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At this point the Falcons would gladly relenquish all rights to him, in fact they'd probably like to get rid of every jersey or other trinket with his number or picture on it...
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Just out of curiosity, I wonder what all of his defenders back in Atlanta, those who were counterprotesting and saying that he was being persecuted... are saying today.
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I'm supporting Mike Vick. I have made mistakes in my life, done stuff I'm not proud of---and I didn't have it plastered all over the media because I'm not in a position of high visibility.
Vick was involved in this stuff, he's owning up to it and trying to put it behind him and you people want to see him lose his entire livelihood. IMO thats just not right.
He should see some time---I think 6-9 months of incarceration is good. Pair that with a fine, and a year suspension from the NFL and that should be ample. Just because he was involved in dogfighting and betting on it does not necessitate the destruction of his career.
I don't think any of you would want your career destroyed because of mistakes you made---and yet you advocate the destruction of someone else's career for that persons transgressions.
Mike Vick worked his butt off for 27 years to be an NFL QB and you people want to take that away because he fought and bet on dogs for like 5 years. Give me a break.
Leonard Little killed someone while driinking and driving, and he has had drunk driving arrests since then and he doesn't get that kind of treatment--so why present it here?
Here's why, because people hear dogs are involved and become overly emotional--they want to see Vick suffer a long time---but that is just not right.
I think Vick has been punished already by sidelining his career, he's been punished by taking away his paychecks, he should only face what I have suggested above anything else is simply ludicrous.
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I hope Vick is placed in a pit with a bunch of Pitbulls...
He actually admitted guilt to everything, including the killing of the dogs. When I look at my dog, I want to kill Vick for doing such a thing.
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I'm not sure what you do for a living.. but if I got convicted or plead guilty to what Michael Vick is pleading guilty too... my career, as I know it, would most certainly be OVER... forever, finished, done.. see ya. Unfortunately, my career has not allowed me to bank millions to sustain me after my punishment is met.
Punishment for a crime is meant to serve two purposes.. the first is just that, it's a punishment which should fit the crime.. the second is a deterrant to ever doing it again... I honestly think if Vick didn't serve a single day in jail, that he would never be involved in anything like dog fighting again... so the deterrant part really isn't necessary... but 6-9 months is way too light as a punishment for what he's already done.
and please don't derail this thread with the stuff about emotions, we've already had that debate.
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Mike Vick worked his butt off for 27 years to be an NFL QB and you people want to take that away because he fought and bet on dogs for like 5 years. Give me a break.
If i were convicted of these crimes my career would be over. I'm not sure where you work, but I think you should take a trip to HR and ask. You might be surprised about what they say.
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Not only do I wish his career to be over I wish grave bodily harm would come to him while in prison like maybe a slit hamstring in the shower. He owned up to nothing...it was a plea when he saw the rats leaving the sinking ship and he knew he was screwed. Making a mistake is one thing killing defensless animals is the sign of a pyschopath. Good riddance to bad rubbish. On the plus side for him is that now he won't have to be a poser and he can wear his conviction like a badge of honor amoung the criminally minded drug dealing street hoods that he obviously aligned himself with.
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He's done, Vick's career is over, done finished. No way he ever plays in the NFL again. Atlanta will be picking a QB next spring unless Joey Harrington proves he's the answer under center.
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Your career would be over? I don't know what you do for a living but there is a substantial difference in being a bean counter in some nameless company or "joebagadonuts" in another to being the most recognizable face in a very public company.
Think of all the animal rights/lovers who will never let this guy resume his career unmolested.
I can't imagine any team taking on that kind of PR nightmare.
And to do what he did to dogs . . . I wouldn't mind seeing a little of the same come his way . . .
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I would lose my job in an instant. AND....
I guarantee you that once I applied for another job, when that background check comes back and shows Federal Dog Fighting / Gambling charges, I wouldn't get a job worth a stink anywhere! He dosen't have to work another day in his life. He's already set. The rest of us would wear the scarlet letter for 7 years until the look back period expires for how long employers are allowed to go back into a potential hire's records.
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Doesn't surprise me. Do they think Bill Gates would get different treatment than Vick?
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Good. I'm happy that scumbag POS is in jail. Good riddance and no team will ever want him again. Thank god.
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I understand your career would be over---but would you support that. Is that just---no, its not. I know that if my career would end over this kind of garbage than I would not be happy. And I would think that I deserved another chance. I know if any of you faced this, than you'd think that you deserved another chance to make things right---but when its somebody else--especially someone that enjoys the privilege of a professional athlete--then everyone wants them to suffer. To me that hypocritical. If any of you got involved in something, you'd beg for a second chance--but when someone else is in trouble--you want to nail them to the wall.
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Well if he was so worried about it then he wouldn't be commiting felonies for 5 years. No remorse for him on my part just like no one would worry about what happened to me if I commited a felony. No special treatment. If you don't want to risk your job and career then don't break the law.
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"I don't think any of you would want your career destroyed because of mistakes you made---and yet you advocate the destruction of someone else's career for that persons transgressions.
Mike Vick worked his butt off for 27 years to be an NFL QB and you people want to take that away because he fought and bet on dogs for like 5 years. Give me a break."
Tyler---the only way a man's career is destroyed is by personal mistakes or transgressions. This guy didn't confess and apologize for any reason other than to save a large part of his ass. If he was truly contrite he'd have come clean months ago.
For you to claim that he only fought and bet on dogs for 5 YEARS and then insist that less than a year in jail is excessive is delusional.
I'd say 18-24 months is about right behind bars.
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Derden I have backed you up on things before, but defending Mike Vick on this si something I have to turn my back on.
I can't believe you would defend him on this.
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I know if any of you faced this, than you'd think that you deserved another chance to make things right---but when its somebody else--especially someone that enjoys the privilege of a professional athlete--then everyone wants them to suffer.
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There is nothing hypocritical about it... Yes, I would beg for a second chance... that doesn't mean I DESERVE ONE.
And the difference between this and some other instances that have been used as examples is... everybody makes a bad decision, like driving drunk or jacking up some guy in a bar... While those don't reflect well on ones decision making capabilities, I sort of understand how somebody could make that mistake, it's spontaneous... This went on for YEARS, it was premeditated, it was organized, it was planned, and it was viscious.....
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He usually does but I think he actually believes what he is saying. His comparison to little is spot on. That guy got away with murder and nothing happened. I think maybe things like that are the reason Roger is cracking down.
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