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Just got home. Left when they scored the 5th TD. I saw at least 3 times they drove our RT right into Baker, sacked him with Hubbard in between the defender and the QB. The Chargers OL simply beat our DL...and their DL simply beat our OL. I thought a lot of those missed passes were on Baker. He just didn't have the range today. Is he hurt?

Losing Joe Schobert hurt.

Callaway needs to be thrown under the bus, run over, backed over, then run over again. He looks totally useless so far. Ratley is 5th string for a reason.

I was saying it preseason...

Calloway was handed his position by default...He cant run routes, catch a ball, or break a single arm tackle...He deserves to be no higher than #4 om your wideout core...I never believed his hype as a potential 1st round pick...that can be said about half they players in the NFL draft yearly.

Ratley had something like what 30 career college receptions, and you expect him to contribute in the NFL right now...


You cant put a rookie QB in a position to fail...Mayfield has an awful core at WR, pretty poor one at TE, and has an overrated oline in front of him...

We much do a better job at finding talent...


I've said it presason...Ogbah is highly overrated, and we have literally noone at DT (behind Ogu)...And our Dline lost its rave players of a year ago...We have no depth...so our players are exhausted and playing at 80% effort...which you get beat in the NFL at that...and you heighten chances of injury.

This team is still void of talent at very key areas.


I wont even mention special teams, containment, tackling...a very flawed team...But hoping we can improve this year on a lot.

Didn't watch the game....was stuck at work....but I read that we had either two or three dropped passes that were either in the endzone or would have been tds.....

Can anyone tell me, were they catchable balls? poor throws? Just looking for better insight..

It's tough to say for sure, I the ball to Calloway certainly looked to me like it went right between his hands. Announcer said something about "....maybe bad timing on his part...."?

Off the top of my head, I don't remember the other one.

Looking at the schedule, I see maybe three more wins as the ceiling. I guess that would show a lot of progress over last year, especially if we are developing a quarterback. But we need more talent, for sure.

Eotab thought Robiskie and Msssaquoi were great and claimed Duke can be a HOF.
his knowledge on WR isnt the most steller.

Well, I think maybe they got as little too full of themselves, and it showed today.

I also want Snoop Dog kept far, far away from the team. I think the team got a 3 or 4 day long contact high.

I said early in last week's game that our OLBs both can be replaced, then they had a good game. This week ..... well ...... back to crap play. I think Kirksey had 3 or 4 tackles broken on him. Can't have that.

I think having so many receivers go down has hurt Baker. Callaway drops so many passes, and Ratley and Landry each dropped important passes. Then Ratley got hurt.

On the plus side, I said that Ratley would have 6 catches for 83 yards, and I was only 1 yard off. That one yard was the TD he could have had when he got crushed.

I will continue to stand by what I said before.

Mayfield needs to sit. He needs time to polish up aspects of his game, and the time on the bench and extra practice reps will do him wonders for next year. All he is learning right now is how to make mistakes, and he is already beginning to develop "Happy feet" I saw it in the Ravens game, and i saw even more of it today. Happy feet is a VERY BAD habit to develop. Thats what happens when you rush guys.

Tyrod Taylor is a 2 time Pro Bowl Qb that was benched coming off a great game against the New Orleans saints where he completed 74% of his passes and had a very solid game.

This teams needs a veteran guy right now to rally around, and Baker Mayfield is NOT a leader, he is a rookie, you have to EARN being a leader, and you earn being a leader by doing your time, putting in your work, and earning peoples respect.

Taylor has made the Pro Bowl two out of the last three years. the guy si respected not only in our lockeroom but around the NFL. Its crazy that we tossed him aside the way we did...any other city in American Taylor would have been given significantly more leeway being a two time Pro Bowler, especially how recently those Pro Bowls were.

I can see Mayfield's potential being ruined right in front of my eyes and its disgusting...I didn't want him starting because i know Hue Jackson is a flipping moron and you need to look no farther at what that dolt done to Kizer to know why you don't want Mayfield playing if you actually value the kid.

He was sacked 4 times against the Ravens, He was sacked 5 times today...great job getting your #1 overall QB the living stuffing kicked out of him....its absolutely STUPID with a capital S putting Mayfield out there when the plan was to develop him with a Vet guy to take the beating while Baker learns.

There are already people talking about how much Mayfield sucks and how we need to find another QB already...and Mayfield's struggles have just begun. The kid isn't ready, He isn't our best chance to win right now, and he needs to sit not only for the sake of his own career, but for the sake of the Browns organization..

Dorsey needs to step in tell Hue Jackson to cram it, that when Taylor is healthy he plays and Mayfield sits, thats the damn plan, and were sticking to it. period. A little bit of expereince would do Mayfield some good, but only in small doses, just a little bit of playing time here and there...not this disgusting garbage I have seen since the Raiders game...were ruining the kid....playing him while he is limping around for FFS! WTH is wrong with this damn coaching staff....

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I see this guy is still at it.

Stop just please stop, Taylor is only a pro bowl QB because none of the actual "pro bowl QB's" want to play it anymore and make up an injury to sit it out.

I am OK with it. QB keeper means one more blocker. Shotgun doesn't mean automatic failure. We just need to decide when we can't punt. Running out of the shotgun can't be worse than a shovel pass near the goal line.

Who are these people already saying Baker sucks ?

If you think Tyrod gives us a better chance of winning than Baker you are delusional.

Baker is not overwhelmed...he had a bad game today but he will learn from it. He still looked much better than Tyrod did in the first half of the jets game.

Playing Baker is the right call

I'm so sick of the drops as a team and it's only getting worse the further down the depth chart we go.

Why again don't we sigh Dez for one year?


I"m concerned about Schobert missing any significant time

the whole team looked out of sync

Chargers did a great job of watching game film. They really had our number. They exposed most of our weaknesses.

Garrett has to learn how to contain.

LMAO. Who ? Show me somewhere - anywhere.

Anyone who does - has absolutely zero credibility.

And no - TT os not coming off a Saints game where he played well. He is coming off a 4-14 for 19 yards game against the Jets where he could not do anything.

MG ... No stats registered

I would add one more thing; Baker has to start checking the ball down when the pocket collapsed. That can sometimes be the very best play you can make.

Bears D gave up over 500 yards to Miami with Brock and Gore leading the way I guess I was just one of those weeks

Honest evaluations:


--Baker looked bad. He missed reads. For example, I saw Landry running wide open once over the middle and another along the sideline and Baker never saw him. He held the ball too long and had a real hard time seeing the field. He really is short. He continues to rack up the interceptions. On the other hand, he made some excellent throws and showed his toughness by staying in the game when he was hurting. I'm not sure if this was just a game that happens to rookies or if teams might be starting to figure him out.

--Way too many dropped passes. There were a couple that blew my mind. Guys have to step up and help a struggling rookie qb.

--Not sure why Landry didn't get more targets? Wonder if they doubled him. I couldn't tell.

--I didn't think the OL was that bad. Baker just held it forever.

--Njoku flashed at times.

--Duke had a nice game.

--The defense played well for awhile after the initial drive, but they were not helped by our O, who wasted a ton of golden opportunities.

--The D's inability to maintain outside containment was disgusting.

--San Diego beat us up, especially as our D wore down.

--Collins looked like he wasn't even trying. He would charge up field and get sealed. He was most responsible for not maintaining his lanes and containment responsibilities. Of course, no one was really good at it. That includes Myles.

--Ogbah looks blah. I think Chris Smith is playing better.

--Coley was bad.

--Peppers and Kindred looked bad.

--Our Special Teams outperformed LA's. Too bad our O and D couldn't take advantage of it.

--Peppers ran really hard on the returns.

--Colquit is an excellent punter.

--Gotta shake this one off. The Chargers are for real. We have a very winnable game next week against Tampa Bay.

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Our game was not simply a loss; it was an annihilation! There will be a lot to be learned here...

Looked a lot like last years team but I think they will bounce back cause no one likes to lose.

How dare you say Baker Mayfield is not a leader! As opposed to what? Tyrod Taylor who was scared to throw the ball more than 10 yards down field, captain check down. When Tyrod Taylor is in, the team doesn't have any energy, they don't play for him. In addition, if I want Baker to learn from someone, it sure as hell won't be Tyrod Taylor. When I look at Tayor, that is NOT what I want Baker Mayfield to be.

Knight Of Brown, what would our record be right now if Taylor started all games? Do you think we would have beat the Jets? Nope, Do you think we would have beat the Ravens? Nope. Taylor couldn't even drive the team down the field. Quit it with this ridiculous talk. Mayfield is now our starter, get over it.

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NEVER let Snoop Dogg come to Berea again. I think the contact high he gave the players extended into Sunday.

Big week for Dorsey, he’s got to fix some holes somehow

imo, and maybe i'm the minority here, but the silver lining to ass whoopings like this one is that there isn't one unit who can say "well, we did our job effectively", or "if we got this bounce or this call, it'd be different".

its a game where everybody sucked. so everybody has to improve. and ass whoopings like this makes a team want to come out next week and prove a point.

so we will see whats up next sunday.

This is the kind of game you see how effective your coaching staff is. Next game will be big

Agreed. Sometimes the other team is just better.

Much prefer a loss like this than like NO (kicking) or Steelers/Raiders (Refs)

Better for the heart not shouting and hoping only to lose

- Garrett was as bad as he's ever been. Their literal game plan was to attack him in the run game ... and he failed miserably.

- Our run D evoked thoughts of what we used to be like ... I guess that's still us

- Baker was SHOOK all day ... just never had anything going, and it was his welcome to the NFL game

MG is a pass rush specialist. He has a ways to go to be a good or great DE, our linebackers are a weaker link I think. Never saw a group try to tackle with their shoulders as. I have as these

On the surface, it would seem that way.

However, on a couple of those outside runs, I saw Myles stunting inside. On those, I don't know who exactly had outside contain, but, at least on a few of them, it wasn't Myles.

Pretty good take, I mostly agree.

The O-line wasn't that bad but Hubbard did not play well
I think the OL looks worse than it is because our Rb's are such bad blockers
Even Hyde had a bad day picking up rushers

Our ST did look better. Kicker actually kicked well, Colquitt is awesome
Peppers returned punts with aggressiveness
We still don't block much on punt/kick returns
but that might be a good thing because when we do we get called for holding or a block in the back

Get rid of the white one white uniform combinations, I’m not making excuses, but players play better when they feel like they look good.

More brown, more orange.

A case study shows Kinnick stadium, in Iowa, gets a competitive advantage by painting the visitor locker rooms pink, not saying Iowa doesn’t produce talent.

The browns are 2-0 in their color rush, brown uniforms. The chargers are a better team, that’s not why we lost, just invoke confidence in your gear, we know what doesn’t work.

And honestly, the way we have performed in those combinations, it falls on magement to realize that, be aggressive, talk to Nike.

Look elsewhere for our garb.

Well said.

I was at the game I saw receivvers joggungjggdding.

That's not a good sign

Yeah well, Tampa got their asses beat too today. And we play them at home. Then we play the Steelers, Chiefs, Falcons & Bengals. Not really feeling the optimism.

I think the best thing for our rebuild would be another top 5 pick while our rookies get much needed experience. I don’t seeing us winning many more. Which is ok in the big scheme

Yes there will be a lot to be leaned, I fear it will be from our upcoming opponents.