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So looking at the stats:

Landry was targeted 9 times for TWO catches
Callaway was targeted 11 times for TWO catches

So our #1 and #2 WR combined had 20 targets for FOUR catches

One thing I noticed was the team didn't have any energy. It looked like the receivers were jogging in to their routes.

I've heard this a few places ... without seeing the full film or being at the stadium I don't know ... but that's a SAD thing if true

Is it? Do you have proof? I thought it was common for coaches to give guys a day off after a victory?

J/C - no real positives apart from the weather. Don’t want to rehash the negatives. Go again next week. As an aside, guy I wanted from the draft of 2017 - Desmond King - played very well. I remember literally screaming as we kept passing on him till he went in the 5th. Ballhawk.

good point about King. He was a board target IIRC.

And good point on the weather.

I think maybe the people that suggested he was overrated were on to something. One touchdown in 6 games, not a speedster, plays in the slot usually, not really a deep threat. There are plenty of guys that can do what Landry does, he just gets paid exponentially more than all of them.

Even on the radio in this morning, the guys were talking about how they're hearing stuff in the Browns locker room that Landry is more of a negative than a positive. That was an issue in Miami so why would it be different here? Because he gave a rambling, yelling speech laced with cuss words in the WR room? This reminds me so much of the Tyrod situation in many ways when he came here, minus the cussing.

The above said, Landry will be a story this week. He will be talked about on the radio and written about in the press. He hasn't lived up do his status as a premier recevier so far here in Cleveland. There is no way around that.

He is 6th in the NFL in targets, yet 27th in receptions, 52nd in yards/per, averages 65 yards per game, and 37th in YAC. That's not a premier WR. Yes, there are QB factors to consider in those rankings to a degree, but he has certainly had his drops as well.

He is what some thought he was. That's all. For this team to keep winning, Landry needs to up his game. There are alot of people who are counting on him.

There are times I hate stats, like when they are horrible and when they are true. This is one of each. We are not viable in the NFL with those numbers.

Less upset today than yesterday.

Yesterday I still had by Orange Colored Spectacles on and thoughts of playoffs. That's not realistic, so my post game take away shouldn't be based on that.

Chargers played the best and most complete game against us this year and they are a really good team. Give them their injured D players back and they are legitimate contenders to go deep in the playoffs.

Browns played flat and poorly - wouldn't surprise if Baker was more hurt than we realize on the slip he had on the first down marker. He looked like he was limping a bit all game. Don't know if he regressed some - whether the receivers couldn't get any separation - whether he was asked to be more conservative? But he took a step back vs previous games where he threw with more confidence and anticipation.

With only 3 WR's - why didn't we see more of Duke out of the slot or motioned out of the backfield? I think that might of been something I would have wanted to try.

Let's bounce back with a better game against a much less talented team in Tampa.

Oh - and Melvin Gordon is faster and a better RB than I previously thought. I know he had some big holes, but he impressed.

This one has me baffled ... hes not close to the same guy he was in Miami ... i watched almost every game he played there and he was INCREDIBLE ... quick as all heck ... didn’t drop a thing ... first man ALWAYS MISSED and he squirmed and fought for an extra 3 or 4 yards on every reception ....

Not sure whats going on here ... prolly a combo of a lot of things ...

He’s not the same guy ... the play he made against the Jets was routine for himi n Miami more than once a game .. it just didnt matter there cause there D stunk and no one else on there O could do a thing .. thats the part thats baffling me here ....

He did ALOT in Miami with NOTHING around him ... here ... he’s doing squat as far as catches go ....

If were to have a chance of winning he needs to step up ... if not its an even steeper climb with the WR corps we have until Higgins gets back .....

Its like all the injuries are to two positions ... WR and LBer ...

I re-watched the game for some reason this morning ... just a general comment here ...

Njoku did have a drop ....

Callaway proves every week he’s got a LONG LONG LONG WAY TO GO ... if he can’t learn how to catch hes going to be USELESS like all the rest of the no handed bums we’ve had here ....

He dropped one TD in the 2nd half ... not sure what happenend on our 2nd possession ... he appeared to “alligator” arm it for no reason at all ... maybe he lost it in the sun .... no clue ... IT HURT ALOT ....

Then he had another blatant drop of an easy catch late in the game ....

Right now he’s just plain bad ... its like he’s allergic to the ball or something .... i like Ratley way more ... wonder if he can create any separation ....

I think Landry has thrived off being a slot guy that can find a soft zone to settle down in and get the ball, he's not good enough or fast enough to get separation from #1 and #2 corners.. He can be a serviceable #2 probably, but until we get more help on outside and someone that can take the top off then I think he's going to struggle all year to get open ..

Don't forget we've also played 3 out of 5 OT games. They might've just been tired vs a superior opponent. Not to mention our WR and Baker injuries take even more wind out of the sails.

Callaway seems so lost at times. Like he can't even locate the ball or run an effective route. Surely he is not ready.

That's not even the worst of it:

* Jarvis Landry 65 -- 31 catches

* Callaway 40 -- 15 catches

They need to right this ship. They also need to find a way to get Duke & Chubb more involved. They've been productive when they've gotten the ball but are way under utilized.

Well, that just sucked...LOL

we were outplayed plain and simple.

The Chargers had good plans on both sides of the ball. They used our defensive aggressiveness against us and clogged the middle of the field to largely neutralize our one "reliable" receiver on the other side of the ball.

Mayfield's tweaked ankle really hampered his ability to make scramble plays. He needs to get better at stepping up in the pocket. I don't want him to get rid of his improvisation, but he needs to add more than the spinning out to the edges to his arsenal.

Our young receivers got bullied some. They need to learn how to keep more room to the sidelines. The lack of rest with only 3 healthy guys didn't help. LA dared us to throw it deep, and we missed some chances by inches.

Did DeValve even play? I feel like we could have used him on out routes underneath the goes. Njoku still needs to develop a better awareness/feel for the sideline.

Speaking of Njoku, he had a pretty good game. We finally threw him a jump ball in the RZ. He still needs to improve his consistency, but he's young yet.

Randall has been solid for us, but I think his heel is getting worse. I'd love to be able to rest him and get him back to 100%. Unfortunately, it'll probably linger all season regardless.

I think we have a few guys not at 100% on D. Collins still not all the way back from last year. Ogbah and Coley have been dealing with ankles this year. Now we can add Schobert to the list of walking wounded. We don't have the depth yet to overcome injuries. That lack may be exposed more as the season goes on. Or maybe some of the guys Dorsey has added will get up to speed. I'm not overly optimistic, but we'll see.

It is very perplexing and they need to figure it out. He was a great signing, and we need the production he's able to bring. Haley needs to figure out ways to get him open and get the ball in his hands effectively. I have seen many plays where the ball is placed to hit him in stride, they always seem contested. Crosses and slants anyone?

I read Anthony Lynn's comments about keeping Baker in the pocket

Basically, collapse the pocket from the sides and make his height an issue

Your move Haley

This was very evident yesterday. It also relates to some of the criticism of Landry. I saw him running crossing routes and drags yesterday and Baker never saw him.

The color commentator commented on this a few times yesterday. Baker was not seeing things develop over the middle and on the shorter routes because there were no lanes for him to see through and his lack of height was an issue.

I think other teams are going to pick-up on this strategy. It's why I said in my earlier breakdown post that it will be interesting to see if Baker's issues are going to be a trend or if it's simply a rookie thing. Too early to tell.

I do think that it would be a good idea to incorporate a moving pocket for Baker in case my prediction of other teams copying LA's strategy does indeed occur.

Absolutely. I believe we play our starting front 7 more than any other team... and if not, we have to be up there. Fatigue could be an issue.


This is j/c and more of a what I saw post...

I don't think Mayfield was as bad as most say. He did hang on to the ball too long and he did miss reads. I think sometimes people forget he's a rookie... I guess the higher expectations mean people realize he's already good... so that's good.

In my mind the biggest issues were on defense. did they have 90% of the rushing yardage outside the tackles? I don't recall a team calling so many sweeps/pitches/reverses as we saw yesterday. We didn't adjust or couldn't adjust. We had no answer.

I think we moved the ball decently, although we needed to run more. We actually dominated the game through 5 minutes of the 2nd quarter when 2 plays the chargers move 90 yards and score a TD.

Sure wish we would have kicked the field goal. Hue knows this team better than anyone, but I think you also need to know a young team needs to score points. I don't mind going for it, but I didn't like either play calls on 3rd or 4th down. I'd have been happier with run-run, after all we have a ROOKIE QB. I feel like always seems to be lost.

I don't know that our special teams outplayed theirs. It was a breakdown in our special teams that set up their first score.

The punter, Colquitt, was excellent I felt... And I may be off with my recollection, but I feel like the holding on garrett came when HE was in the endzone and Rivers was right at the goal line. I'm surprised no one mentioned this at all... I would have thought that was a borderline safety.

Jarvis Landry... ugh. For someone who is supposed to catch the ball, he surely doesn't.

Chubb must not be able to block or something... the dude ain't playing and is clearly a game breaker. Duke, same thing. He gets 7-10 yds everytime he touches the ball. I'm not sure how 14 attempts and 34 yds is good and warrents more playing time. Chubb breaks one, it's called back, and we don't see him again. Hyde misses holes or stumbles or is too slow to break through. With jobs on the line we should be bringing out all the stops.

Callaway and Ratley both should have had TDs. Both are still rookies so I can't ignore that. Dropping passes is a sin with a rookie QB. It's interesting to me that Baker might have had better WR at Oklahoma than he does here.

Disappointing, and I bet eotab will comment on this, was the stadium. It was so quiet...the entire game. It was early and I heard Rivers barking out to his receivers. We need to come out one of these games and start hot to get the fans into the game.

We also seemed lethargic on the sidelines... Baker, Jarvis... and Jarvis is supposed to be the leader of this team. I would bet the Landry fans weren't happy with him yesterday.

now some of you see why the Dolphins passed on over paying Landry.
hes a possession WR.
they arent missing him in Miami.
Landry makes alot of empty catches.
hes not a end zone machine.
hes like Duke. catches alot.doesnt score alot.
but the homers proclaim Landry is the best WR in the NFL.

Bingo. Especially the last part. Good call.

Albert Wilson > Jarvis Landry

I took a pic of part of the scoreboard during the game yesterday.

We were ahead in time of possession 21:44 to 20:04. So more than a minute and half in our favor. At the time, we were losing 35-6.

Miami seems to be doing better without Landry (and they even won with BROCK) ... wow

Hmmmmm............a lot of people are giving up on Landry much too early. He's a WR and a bit of a diva. I am sure he is upset that Baker is missing him when he is open.

However, I would much rather have his attitude than a lot of the guys who just flat-out gave up yesterday. Jamie Collins is the poster child for that.

I think Baker and Landry will get it together soon ...

You know someone has an extra motive (I'd use agenda, but people don't want others to write agenda, so I won't write agenda) when a someone reads a post about Landry concerns made at 8:15am, then feels compelled to start a stand alone thread about Jamie Collins at 8:45am, then comes back later to tell people not to worry about Landry but to focus all concerns back to Jamie Collins.

I mean, you can't make this up. Gotta love dawgtalkers.

I think KC game will look like this, too.

Let's not forget this is a young team with a rookie QB. I was happy about the 1st 5 games but didn't get overly excited about it because I figured a game like yesterday's would happen. We ran up against a talented, well coached veteran team that heard all the hype about us and came to play as not to be embarrassed. They did their homework and had a very good game plan. We should learn from this and adjust. Not dropping passes and getting back our injured players would help too

j/c

I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but...

1) Snoop Dog, who has no apparent ties with the Browns, showed up at practice Friday to a warm welcome
2) Snoop Dog is from LA.
3) Two days after his visit, the Browns play a team from LA.
4) During the game the Browns look lethargic and out of sync.

I turned my tinfoil hat into a pipe. Pass that stuff over here.

Third Snoop Dogg joke.

Stop!

The only people that make this board unreadable is people who are worried about stupid internet rivalries.

You and Verse need to grow up or go somewhere else and let everyone else talk ball if you cannot act like adults.

I thought the same thing, there was no energy with this team with this game. Flat.

This.

He was legit yesterday, and has been giving lackluster effort if you ask me.

In fact, I have not been impressed with landry to be honest.

J/C

We got out coached on D and on O, and our players for the first time quit on a game.

I was perfectly fine with Hue going for it on 4-2 I think it was early, but if you were going to go for it there, why not run on 3rd? That's the only thing I would have questioned on that series - and that is Haley play call there.

Baker had his worst game by far, I think some was on the fact WR couldn't get open, some was on the fact that LA did a great job of clogging the throwing lanes and containing him to the pocket. Our GREAT OFFENSIVE mind Haley needs to adjust this and get him into a better position by moving the pocket. Maybe they didn't cause they were afraid of his leg, idk.

Landry is looking like to be another big FA signing that took a paycheck and not wanting to deliver. No excuse for his effort yesterday. He is not a #1 and I would fine him for the effort he put on the field. I think he knows unless he has another person taking attention, he is not that good. JMO.

We need WR's guys. Bad. Not much we can do about it now, but we really need some help here and fast. Should absolutely be our first 2 picks next year in the draft depending on FA signings.

Yesterday was a stinker, on to the next one. But we better clean this crap up before Pitt game, because they have bye this week and will ready for us in two.

I think we get smoked even worse, IMO...then we have Pittsburgh coming off a bye.

It could be a longgggggg October and November if you ask me.

"no stress, no seeds, no stems, no sticks"

(4th Snoop joke)