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I'm surprised you didn't comment on the quietness of the stadium... you always used to comment on the loudness of the fans. It seemed very very quiet.

Nice post as always.


I can't believe the false start went unnoticed.

Hue seems very stoic on the sidelines at times. Not a complaint, just an observation.

And I agree. I believe we dominated them early. We had a few slip ups on the one drive they scored, starting with a long return of a punt.

I still would like to know the ruling on holding in the endzone. The flag was thrown, Garrett was definitely in the endzone and Rivers looked to be on the goal line. Possible safety or am I missing something?

Every week I say the same thing... I'd like to see more Duke. And I'd like to see us run the ball more. Baker is still a rookie, as good as he is, or will be, he still needs help.

We better come out swinging next week.

I saw a team in the Chargers that looked more prepared and wanted this game a lot more than the Browns. If we made any adjustments on either side of the ball I couldn't tell. The 2 drops in the endzone hurt but we were just beaten by a better prepared team that wanted it more. As for players quiting, I saw a few.

i'm worried about Landry too ... this can go south quickly if we're losing and he doesn't get his production

Yes the refs missed one of the most easily seen penalties viewable.
BUT the Browns, on that side, STOPPED/HESITATED for the non-call.
You don't EVER stop until the Whistle Blows!
Even if you see a Flag!
No Whistle...No Foul! Play through!

I think Landry will be fine ...

yea, definitely a game where Mayfield looked like a rookie.

i saw a team get their asses whooped. not just one unit, the whole team. in a game like this, nobody can claim they played well.

but it was bound to happen. and for some odd reason, im comfortable with it happening now as opposed to a game after the bye. i cant really explain it.

the biggest problem was the defense allowing big play after big play after big play. gordon and allen were going for 10 yards a pop every time they touched the ball it seemed.

and it sucked cause early on, the defense and ST gave us AMAZING field position, but the O just couldn't capitalize. and then things snowballed from there.

we're so young on O still that im not overly concerned about it, but right now, i trust Ratley more to catch the ball than calloway. the game came in and did his best, and that catch at the 1 yard line where he got hurt, showed a lot of toughness. i agree that Njoku is becoming mayfields go to target.

with landry, so far he's been ok. i need him to catch the ball more, but the chargers were doing everything imaginable to take him away as a target for mayfield. just couldnt establish a rhythm in the pass game.

i would've liked to see us run the ball more, however. i thought we went away from the pass too early, and i still dont think we commit to the run game early and consistent enough.

Baker may have looked like a rookie and that is going to happen but it doesn't help that 2 TD passes were dropped on him. If those passes were caught it might have changed the game and our Browns attitude.

it also doesn't help that he threw 2 picks.

mayfield wasn't good at all. the entire team wasn't good, so lets not make excuses for him.

I don't want to say I like a game like yesterday, but I think you see the true colors of your players and team with a game like that.

I think now the most important thing is how we respond next week.

Swish I am not making excuses for him. I agree he had a bad game. Patrick Mahomes threw 2 picks yesterday so it will happen. The only thing is he threw a couple of TD 's and for 352 yards. I wish we had the talent PM has here in Cleveland.

i agree, but it looks like we're gonna have to wait atleast another off season to get that kind of talent.

Agreed. You can't fix the mess we were in in 1 offseason. It may take 2 more.

Maybe...

I remember at the beginning of the year I think one football outlet named the BROWNS (yes, us!) as having the best WR corp in the league... We had Landry, Gordon, and Coleman.

We now have Landry and a bunch of rookies. I'm ok with the Coleman departure. I'm also okay with the Gordon departure because he's been such a poo head... but if we had sucked it up just a little bit, I don't think we'd be in as big of a mess had we kept Gordon.

The reasoning for getting rid of Gordon was we didn't want to rely on a guy who might be ready to relapse. I'm not sure which is worse, relying on a guy who may or may not relapse and was at one time the NFL's leading receiver, or relying on a rookie WR who can't catch.

I think we went from having the best corp in some minds, to having the worst. And injuries don't help, obviously...

We are in the top half of the league in talent. Our rebuild didn’t start this year, it started three years ago. We have very good talent from the last three drafts. We, obviously, aren’t a Super Bowl contender, but should be able to compete in most games. Yesterday was a disaster game, hopefully it was an aberration.

i dunno about that.

we have decent players, but superior talent? eh.

ogbah was picked in the 2nd round, but he looks more and more like a solid rotational DE, and not a starter. thats a lack of talent, imo.

just cause we loaded up on picks doesnt = talent.

Yeah, sometimes games like that just happen.

Vikings got smoked by the Bills a few weeks ago. It is what it is.

J/C

I agree the non call was horrible and our DEF checked out right after that.

- Mayfield had his worst game to date. I don't have an eye for the game like you and others do, so I am not sure if his struggles were because of the game plan, or the lack of WR getting open. It seemed to me multiple times he was sacked simply because he had checked down to his third option and there was just nothing there to throw. I will say, the INT were pretty bad and I will chalk them up to rookie mistakes.

- Run Game looked pretty good again, but it seems like every time we have a play that goes for 15-20 on a crucial 3rd down, there is a hold - or is it just me? We have to get Chubb some more touches, which is hard when you are down so early and so fast.

- Def I know the none call was bad. but this is 2 twice now they have gashed on the score board and 2x now they have got diced on the ground. Why cant we stop the run outside? How many end arounds can one team run against you and YOU STILL cannot stop it? Williams and this DEF should be disgusted with what they allowed yesterday. I am scared Myles will not be ever be able to close off an edge, and it seemed they were laughing at him buy running that way constantly.

- Back to Mayfield, I am really starting to worry with his ability to get some points. I saw a stat yesterday that said we had like 15 drives in the oppt territory, with I think 2 TD so far this year? That is unacceptable, and I will give some rope with the injuries we have, but at some point, hes got to put the ball in the endzone.

I saw our team lose to a better team.

I saw Baker have a “rookie game”.

I saw the refs cost us 9 points (safety call mess up and false start).

I saw refs that didn’t notch calls but purposely made them against us. Like EO said, they HAD to have seen that False Start. Every week they make “mistakes” that hurt us. This week we would’ve lost anyways so not sure why.

OPTIMISTIC THOUGHT: maybe the NFL is ready to support the Browns in a championship run... next year? They might want us to be really ready before going for it. Otherwise I cannot understand why Haslam would stand for this officiating.

Can you imagine owning a BILLION dollar company and they are purposely stacking the odds against you? I’d go nuts!

Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams.

If you think the league is purposefully fixing a game, why watch?

j/c

the lack of talent thing is old (and not true) anymore ... do we have the talent of the Chiefs, Rams, Steelers, etc? NO

But, we shouldn't have a performance like that yesterday .. We have players now

I'm hoping yesterday is the one blemish on a competitive season

IMO, the non false start call, though more egregious, hurt a lot less than the Raiders non 1st down call. Given how much Baker and the offense were struggling and how easily the Chargers were moving the ball and scoring, the game was already getting out of hand.

The Chargers are a good team. They have quite a bit of talent (a lot of which is underrated). I was hoping that them being down Bosa and some speed at WR (Benjamin was out) could help to balance out the talent/performance difference, but I was wrong.


The game, overall was pretty disappointing. My expectations were for us to be competitive in every game, and that wasn't the case yesterday. Felt like all of the games from last year. I hope that the defense playing as poorly as they did is just an aberration. Myles Garrett, I believe, had a 0 on the stat sheet... and you can try to make yourself feel better all you want, but a guy like that has to eventually show up on the stat sheet.

Baker Mayfield was also really worriesome. I'm hoping that he's able to bounce back. As I said right after the Jets game, it will take NFL teams only a couple games to pull together tape on rookie QBs and adapt. How Mayfield (and the offense as a whole) is able to respond is crucial to both this season and his career. We all knew one of these games was going to happen, now we have to see how they respond.

Jacksonville had a terrible game yesterday and some considered them SB contenders. Plus they were playing an average team. It happens.

I agree w/this 100%.

Heck, I can't wait until Swish starts his Breakdown thread. This will be an interesting match-up.

I don't agree with that at all. Our def was actually holding them to 3 and outs for the majority of the first half except for the first drive and the bang bang deep throws. They were not moving the ball easily at that point in the game, and our Def went to pooh right after.

I agree with device and U ... i was going to say two things bone said one and device said the other ....

Bone said we LAID AN EGG ... THOSE WERE THE EXACT WORDS I WAS GOING TO USE ... sorry bout the caps ...

There’s not really any sense dissecting it ... EVERYONE played HORRIBLE ... the only exception in my mind was Peppers on returns ... especially the punt returns ... he looks like a NEW DUDE the last two weeks return wise ...

2nd thing i was gonna say was what device did ... were gonna learn a lot about the character of this team ... this is a much better matchup for us and this team has bounced back every time ... within games and after the faider debacle ...

Depending on injuries we may not win but it best be a BATTLE and we best be a PACK OF RABID HOUNDS ...

Another thing i was gonna mention last week about our D was how fast w were .... we swarmed everything in our 4 stellar perfornances and even the faider game .... yesterday ... there was never more than one or two guys in on a play ...

We WERE FLAT ...

Maybe we should call him out in public more often?

Tampa Bay fired their DC today I heard... that could muddy the waters some.

Yep. Players know that they could be next once a coach is fired.

I saw Baker get hurt early and he should have been taken out of the game. It was nonsense to let him play in that condition especially with the clown posse we have at WR!

The D played well after the first series. We had them on their goal line twice punting. After we blew the 4th and 2 and the REFS shafting us as usual on a consistent basis this year, it was all over.

We need some WR's and LB's ASAP!

Due to injury and no depth, just like that, we are a mess.

What condition was that, Dr. Brown?

You didn't see him limping the rest of the day after he slipped on the down marker out of bounds Nurse V?....

The stadium was quiet. I go to games and am there.

Here is the reason. At one point it was obvious the team lacked energy, had a poor game plan, and Baker was hurt and couldn't move around.

At the beginning of the game, there were still thousands walking up to the stadium because tailgating was more important than being in the seat for the opening kick. From my seats in 330 I can see through to the southheast gate. Lines were 50 deep and people piling in behind them.

If I miss a opening kick or first pitch, I consider it a failure on my part. I got a Joe Thomas Bobblehead. They handed those out to the first 10,363 people to enter the stadium in honor of Joe's streak.

People can say that Browns fans are the best in football, but that is BS. They are some of the dumbest fans anywhere. They show up late to games because drinking beer is more important. They scream at the top of their lungs when we have the ball when they should shut-up to allow good communication between the QB and receivers and center on the line calls. They harass opposing fans who came to their city, spend good money on food and hotels, which helps keep taxes down, but are mad at them because their team whooped our ass. Like it's their fault. LOL


Browns fans once were some of the best. No longer.

I saw it. I was just wondering how you knew how severe the injury was.

You are most likely correct with your assessment. I had season tickets since 99 til about 2 yrs ago. I always tried to get into the stadium by 1230 to get a beer and dog.

I think this will all change when we start winning. Drinking beer will still be important, but I think fans will get to their seats earlier.

He was obviously hurting. I thought the same thing. TT May have have gave us a better chance in this game with fresh legs and his experience. Let Baker sit and lick his wounds and play another day with his confidence intact.

Responses like yours is why I don’t post much in Tabby’s threads anymore.

Cut the crap excuses. Aaron is playing hurt... Mayfield playing hurt had very little to do with his performance.

It was a bad day for the team, specially the D.

I never considered taking baker out once it looked like he could play, but the ankle did hamper his mobility.

What excuses? I’m just pointing out that I wouldn’t have been surprised if Hue had sat him.

Did Aaron Rogers even play a down his rookie year?

Thanks for reminding me why I stay out of here. Bye