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32) Hue Jackson, Cleveland Browns

Rarely would a head coach with as much experience as Jackson be listed last. No coach in NFL history has gone 1-31 over two seasons, either. Was it all his fault? No. Yet, much of coaching is coaxing the best football out of your players, even if your roster is thinner on talent than others. Bill Parcells took the Cowboys to the playoffs in 2003 with Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick in the backfield. Doug Marrone took the Jags from 3-13 to the AFC Championship Game.

I think that sums it up. Nice total post as well.
It's gotta be something that's judged at year's end.
Knee jerk reactions is what's doomed us for years.
Dorsey doesn't play that song !

Dude, you are "gloating" over negative press for a member of the Browns.

Another knee jerk reactions. People with a ax to grind buy into it.
People act as if we wasn't gonna have a game like this.
We have a rookie QB and a young injured WR group and these things are gonna happen and it won't be the last time.

It's as if you haven't been banging that drum all year telling people to not give to much praise because we gonna come back down for some games and folks are gonna lay blame.

Some folks didn't see this coming or just have that ax to grind.

You me and a few others did.

Thanks.

I have a feeling this is a critical time for our team. I honestly believe that things are headed in the right direction. I think it would be a huge mistake to make dramatic changes.

I hope calmer heads and more rational thinking prevails. I do have to admit that I am very worried that those things won't happen. It appears that to many people are calling for blood.

I have the same feeling partner.

Haha Dawg... Ok, if you didn't want to have a serious discussion, just say so. It would save you the embarrassment of you assuming things.

This dude's an idiot.

And yet he spoke directly about Hue in the very comment you say has nothing to do with support of Hue. Hmmmmmm......

Read the signature below. lmao

You're not interested in an honest discussion about Hue. The evidence is obvious and has been for a very long time now.

Actually, there are 3 posters, maybe more, but 3 vocal posters who do not want to have honest conversations about Hue. You would be one, the other two, like you, think Hue can do no wrong.

To know who they are, all you have to do is read the pages here. They don't discuss, they tell other posters they're wrong and to stop questioning Hue. It's easy to see.

But thanks again for assuming you know me and my opinions and that you think I have an "agenda."

I used to have a gif of beating a dead horse. You've gone to the point of creating blood coming out of the carcass. At some point one would think you'd stop creating such a mess.

If you don't agree with someone's opinion, insult them... right?

Really? It's a subject that everyone knows how each poster feels. It's a subject that has been beaten to death by everyone on this board. That's the very definition of beating a dead horse. Why would anyone desire to engage you on rehashing a subject everyone already knows your perspective of?

That's why nobody responded to you about it. It's pretty obvious. If you take that as an insult maybe it's you.

What is my perspective? I would love to know what you think it is...

jc

I think we have to give this some time and there will be more clarity on Hue's future by the end of the season.

What I want to see is whether the team improves or regresses through the rest of the season. Early in the season, the Browns went toe to toe with the Steelers and Saints. Ditto with the Jets and Raiders. And then the Browns beat the Ravens.

Some of us have looked at these close games and said that we were a few plays away from being 5-0. True enough. What most people don't or can't acknowledge is that we were also a few plays away from being 0-5.

You think Steelers fans came out of that game-- where they were winning by 2 touchdowns late in the game and then started fumbling like crazy and also missed a game winning kick-- like it should have been a tie or a win for the Browns? No, they thought they should have won that game just like Browns fans think they should have.

That's how it goes. Ditto with the games against the Jets and Ravens. This isn't even a reflection on Browns fans or Hue. It's just a dose of reality. Just take it as a rule that anytime there's a one-score game, many fans of the losing team will think they should have won and will point to one or two keys plays where their team got a bad call from the refs, or missed a kick, or whatever.

After five games we were at +1 point differential. This is suggestive of a .500 team, and that's what we were.

Do we improve or regress from there? Ok, the Chargers game was terrible and not a good sign. At the same time, it is only one game and this kind of game happens to the best of 'em.

Young guys should be able to be coached up. They should improve as they gain experience. If we start off the season going toe to toe with good teams, and then finish the season getting soundly beaten by teams of similar quality, that would be a very bad sign!

I'm not saying that is going to happen, and I sure hope it doesn't, but I'm just trying to put this out there so people know where I'm coming from and know what my expectations are.

The team should improve throughout the season. The players should continue to develop and get better. This also means lining up in the right spots, giving good effort, not making boneheaded plays, and ultimately this should be reflected on the scoreboard.

If you feel confused, look back at your posts in all of the Hue threads and read your perspective. It's been posted over and over and over.

I really have no more time to waste on it.

j/c:

Don't mind me. I'm just here to add a bit more fuel. Carry on.



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Well, then you should realize that you're the one who is not being open minded.

J/C

To those that are going back and forth about Hue

Question - and this is not a "for Hue" or "against hue" post. Its an honest question to see what both sides think.

If Hue goes 3-12-1 this year or 4-12-1 do you keep him?

Also, if hue goes 6-9-1 or 7-8-1 this year, do you keep him?

Please explain your reasoning for both.

Personally, I think hue should have been fired last year. I thought he was incapable of doing a single thing right, and was possibly the worst coach to ever step on a field.

This year, I think SO FAR he has shown to have made better decisions, has shown to have the trust of the players, and the players absolutely love him. So for that, I have opened myself up to seeing what he can do with this team.

I think we are a team that has some very exciting playmakers sprinkled in with average role players right now. I truly think we are an 6-8 win team talent wise, and think if we don't get to 6 wins min, that hue will have to answer for that. If he gets to 6 wins, I am absolutely open to seeing what he can do with a few more playmakers added. Lets face it - 6 wins from 0 is a HUGE step in the right direction - no matter how much credit you give Haley or Williams or Dorsey. I have said the Buck stops with Hue as he is the HC, he gets the credit for the losing and he should get the credit for the Wins as well - should they come.

I can’t answer either way will ...

If he goes 3 - 12 - 1 and were in every game and fighting hard every game I very well may keep him ...

If he goes 4 - 12 - 1 i think its a no brainer we keep him ... cause that means he somehow snuck us into the playoffs with a 4 - 11 - 1 regular season record ...

He could also go 7 - 8 - 1 and possibly deserved to be fired IMO ... that ones highly unlikely but still possible ... if he makes a ton of mistakes and the team quits on him in a few of the losses ... i may want him fired ...

I need to see how things play out and how we arrive at the record we do before drawing lines in the sand on how many w’s we need for Hue to keep his job ..

I don't believe his job should hinge on the record but rather how the team performs as a whole. However, if he only wins three or four games this year I would understand that decision.

I could ask the same of you... And you did say you wanted him fired, but now you're team Hue.


For me, it's not about record but the entire body of work.

Obviously, I'm not in charge, but Dorsey said that anything less than a division title is unacceptable. Take that how you like.

Obviously, if the team "quits" on Hue, it's time to go. However, playing hard for him isn't an immunity from being fired. It does seem that is one of the main reasons people believe he should have been retained.

Perhaps Hue is making better decisions, but is it enough to win consistently? I think you need to look at the entire body of work. While it seems many believe he deserves praise, I still think he has a long way to go. His main objective should be putting us in the best possible position to win.

I think it's not wrong to include his previous seasons when evaluating Hue. I don't disagree that he's improved since his first game. But what clues should I be seeing that would instill hope that he's the right guy and that he's improved?

I certainly don't have an agenda to get Hue fired. My agenda is to WIN. I'm waiting for that moment when I see that Hue has IT as so many seem to have already seen. This is his 4th year as a HC. His team holds the NFL record for penalties committed in a season and he's one of two coaches to ever go 0-16. Others obviously think he's great and going to be our head coach for a long time and just ended up with a raw deal his first two seasons here... I've asked on this very thread for help, help me understand why is Hue great? What am I missing?

j/c

I'm not laying this all on Hue, but two things struck me last week. 1) They were not ready to play the Chargers. 2) They made no or few adjustments during the game to turn it around. That's on all the coaches, and it sucked.

I expect to see better this week, if not, we'll see where the season takes us. I like Hue as a HC and think he's had a raw deal the past two season but I don't think he survives a 2-13-1 or 3-12-1 season.

I want continuity and I want wins too. The Chargers was one game, and we've been competitive in all the others. I expect us to stay competitive and get some wins. Five may be the magic number, but he needs to get those five or the optics might force Haslam's hand.

JMHO

j/c:

This forum is really, really bad right now. It's similar to the Political Forum.

That's more or less where I'm at, although if it happens, I'd want to keep our coordinators (most likely we'd promote one of our coordinators in that scenario, but that's putting the cart before that dead horse.

j/c

I'll have a printable opinion after the Bucs game.

I'll add that I think the "shine" is coming off the GW hire.

GW is starting to remind me of Rex Ryan in that he appears to be stubborn as all heck ... he doesn’t seem to want to adapt at all ... this is what were doing coming heck or high water ...

Anyone else see that or is it just me? ...

You are not alone.

I could have sworn we were leading the league in turnovers? I could have sworn that we held the Rats to three FGs? I could have sworn that we held Drew Brees and New Orleans to their worst offensive performance of the season? I could have sworn we got 5 takeaways from Pittsburgh?

I hope to God we win this week, if for nothing else it will send the haters back to their holes and guys like you will start talking football again.

With a new GM, new players, I think it would still be premature to fire Hue THIS season.

Year 4 would be the make or break for me.

Funny thing tab. He posed the question as to why people didn't respond to him so I explained why. And as you see, nobody else has replied to him either.

Do you honestly feel anything I said has any impact on whether others respond to him? I didn't think so.

So I explained why I don't respond to him on this subject and my belief as to why others don't as well.

But hey, if you wish to discuss it with him, by all means go for it! lmao

The crazy thing is that if a person replies, he is "having a cow." If he doesn't, he is "avoiding the subject."

I just hope we win because those guys don't come out when we win and we actually get to talk football on here instead of this nonsense.

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Not surprising. Like I said, it's just not working. I think Hue was dealt a really crappy hand. But not to the point of the results you see. And when you consistently get owned by teams that are supposed to be your equal or even perceived to be lower than you, that's a problem. Let's face it, the Chargers are far superior. TB is not. And they were missing half of their defense, including their pro bowl-level guys. The Browns lose two CBs, and they can't function. That's on coaching.

Cause for you to celebrate.

Congratulations.

I don't think switching coaches now will really accomplish anything. I'm pretty numb to it by now ... tough to tell what's the real issues

Unless they have a replacement already waiting in the wings and we can get a jumpstart on next season, I don’t see much point in adding to the drama this season.

We have another losing record. No one is celebrating.