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I have no hate for them. If they would enter our country legally I would embrace them as a fellow citizen. I love the law. Until it is changed if someone breaks the law they are illegal or criminal. If there is no respect for the law then there is chaos.

I often wonder how people can think there is a "loving God" while watching other humans suffer terribly and not feel personally motivated in any way to help, let alone feel like they need to turn them away. How lucky and privileged we are to be born in a wealthy country where you are basically safe. Yet we feel the need to look down on those who are born into poverty or hopelessly perilous conditions.

The greed of so called Christians that worry and complain about their tax dollars being used to lift others up because they see them as undeserving is simply mind blowing. Many of these people would back fighting wars over corporate profits and oil, willing to lay down their own lives or the lives of others from their communities; yet they will battle tooth and nail over the slightest expenditures to help those in need that would do us no harm. smh

Wouldn't it be better helping the stay in their own country?

So you are saying you would be willing to help fix conditions in their country? You'd be good with your tax dollars going to that? "Helping" them stay means making it better so they want to stay not just shutting the door and making them go home.

I don't get the hate for latino immigrants, illegal or otherwise. The overwhelming majority of them are hard working Christians. They are salt of the earth types in most cases, and if treated better by the GOP many (I would bet the majority) would vote conservative. But skin color, language barrier, because they come from another country... for some reason the GOP makes boogeymen out of them.

It really has zero to do with costs. Trump's golf and weekends at Mar-a-lago cost enough to feed a small nation. This government tosses more money away in interest on the debt and military than anything else they do. A few billion dollars is absolutely nothing to this government. So the cost associated with whatever benefits illegals get, which I would say is less than reported, is peanuts in comparison to overall spending. It's just a talking point to make illegal immigrants a boogeyman.

So a large group of people set on invading our country any way they can to get whatever they can is not a problem? They are making a political statement that the USA has no right to refuse anyone who wants to come here illegally.

Several of my best friends are hispanic and they hate illegal immigrants as much as anyone else because they how how everyone doesn't trust them to be legal citizens even though they speak perfect English. Their parents came here legally. They paid their dues like your supposed to. Benji's mom has made me so much food while growing up that I love just about anything mexican and puerto rican.

This idea that those who oppose illegal immigration are racist haters is old, stupid, and incredibly FALSE. Stop spewing your hatred at those of us who just want our laws to be enforced and for people who want to live here come through the doors legally. We are not the welfare state for the world. Hell half of you don't want welfare for the ones who were born and bred here but you want to add even more? Gimme a break from you insanity.

Climb down off your cross Jesus, nobody called you a racist. If you feel that way maybe it's guilt.

And the idea that people fleeing a country due to poverty or fear of being killed somehow translates to an invasion, a political statement, or a HOARD raging towards are borders is absolutely asinine!

Take a breath, stow the right hates left brainwashing babble and think for a moment. You say you have legal latino friends that hate other latinos for being here illegally BECAUSE it makes people that look like us suspect them of being illegal. How freakin sad is that! You just described how non-latinos have shamed other latinos into hating their own kind out of PURE racism... but there is nothing racist going on huh? GMAB

These people coming here would all gladly do it legally if the process allowed for that to occur in a timely manner that didn't put their LIVES in jeopardy. These are just people, trying to find safe harbor. You're pretty religious, ask yourself WWJD? I bet he wouldn't say or do the things you are saying and doing.

Now nobody is accusing anybody of anything. All I'm saying is lets think about all of this. Think about how we are treating those in need of help and protection. Think about all the lives that are involved on both sides of the border and how our actions, reactions, and policies affect them.

I don't want you, Trump or anybody teaching my grandkids that it's cool to hate another for being here "illegally". I don't want them to look at someone in need of help as a burden. I don't want them to feel threatened by the fake boogeymen that the rich and powerful keep you and me fighting over. I want them to be rational, compassionate, and giving to people in need of help.

I know enough about you to know you would not let you kid or grandkid treat another child poorly because of the color of their skin, their religion, where they come from or how they got here. You would expect them to get along and be nice... Why would you expect anything less of yourself?

And as far as respecting our laws; laws are made by men and can be changed by men. We need to rethink how we treat these people. I don't want them here illegally, but that doesn't mean I don't want them here. Our country is a country of immigrants, period. If we figure out how to take them in, there are plenty of jobs for them to become productive tax paying Americans... We just need to figure it out.

Building a damn wall isn't going to stop them from coming. It might slow them down but you know as well as i do they will still come. Treating them like subhumans, taking their kids from them, arresting them, jailing them, sending them back... none of that works or looks good on us! We're the freakin US of A! We can do better but not until we decide to work together and come up with a better solution. Period.

All I'm saying is think about that.

Jc

Man, people on this board really have a low tolerance for anything non white. You guys consistently demonstrate you have more hate for brown people then you do for nazis.

And then yall turn around and get offended when we call y’all racist sympathizers.

Weak - sensationalistic - propaganda.

A few hundred are headed to the USA to seek immigration? That's a non story --- except to stir up xenophobic sentiments, mostly among white old and middle aged Americans. Period.

If you want to have a discussion about illegal immigration .... that's fine. Legitimate conversation for many no doubt ... But when 50,000+ Mexicans a month are apprehended trying to get into the USA - don't pretend that "hundred's" from Hondurans is any kind of factor in our borders, safety, culture or the criminality of the country. It's propaganda and scare tactics period. Apparently you lap it up.

Weak - so very weak. That's what you get when you rely on Trump for your talking points.

I didn't have time to add those people you talked about came by boat. It took time for them to get here and their illnesses would become obvious. Next they had to go through Ellis Island to be cleared.

Today's migrants are pouring in, unchecked and unknown to us.
They mingle into our society immediately. Their illnesses and criminal backgrounds are found out when they sicken or hurt our own citizens.

I agree we need immigration but it needs to be under our control.

You know there were no background checks at Ellis or Angle Island. All you had to provide was a name.

And not have tuberculosis.

That was literally the only requirement.

Immigrants entering the United States who could not afford first or second-class passage came through the processing center at Ellis Island, New York. Built in 1892, the center handled some 12 million European immigrants, herding thousands of them a day through the barn-like structure during the peak years for screening. Government inspectors asked a list of twenty-nine probing questions, such as: Have you money, relatives or a job in the United States? Are you a polygamist? An anarchist? Next, the doctors and nurses poked
Medical examination
Ellis Island, 1910
and prodded them, looking for signs of disease or debilitating handicaps. Usually immigrants were only detained 3 or 4 hours, and then free to leave. If they did not receive stamps of approval, and many did not because they were deemed criminals, strikebreakers, anarchists or carriers of disease, they were sent back to their place of origin at the expense of the shipping line.

For the newcomers arriving without family, some solace could be found in the ethnic neighborhoods populated by their fellow countrymen. Here they could converse in their native tongue, practice their religion, and take part in cultural celebrations that helped ease the loneliness. Often, though, life for all was not easy. Most industries offered hazardous conditions and very low wages--lowered further after the padrone took out his share. Urban housing was overcrowded and unsanitary. Many found it very difficult to accept. An old Italian saying summed up the disillusionment felt by many: "I came to America because I heard the streets were paved with gold. When I got here, found out three things: First, the streets weren't paved with gold; second, they weren't paved at all: and third, I was expected to pave them." In spite of the difficulties, few gave up and returned home.

References:
Kraut, Alan, The Huddled Masses: The Immigrant in American Society, 1880-1921 (1982); Handlin, Oscar, The Uprooted (1951).

Only 2% of applications at Ellis Island, in its entire history, were rejected.

Island of Hope, Island of Tears, by David Brownstone, Irene Franck and Douglass Brownstone; Barnes and Noble, New York, NY: 2000

I’m assuming that that fishtheice typed something into Google in an effort to refute me, copied and pasted the first result he saw.

Thanks for proving me point inadvertently, ice.

The pertinent info supporting your point was more than five big words into the article.

"29 probing questions like are you an anarchist."

I can see the Marx Brothers doing those questions for some reason...

My great-grandfather was a member of ANTIFA.

He was an underground journalist on Mussolini’s bad side because of his writing and association with ANTIFA.

He breezed in, no problem.

Pretty sure today he would have old racist Breitbart cranks calling him a terrorist on a message board.

jc

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ICE deports separated 4-year-old to Guatemala alone, doesn't tell family, no one to pick her up
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This is completely insane. Trump's ICE squads are sending separated under-5 children back to countries of origin without telling the kids' families. This week, U.S. Immigration officials sent a 4-year-old separated child from the U.S. to Guatemala City, an extremely dangerous place, without even telling her relatives in Guatemala that she was coming home.


Excerpt from Huffington Post's Angelina Chapin:

On Tuesday, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement sent a 4-year-old separated child from the U.S. to Guatemala City without telling her family she was coming home.

When Karla, a pseudonym HuffPost is using to protect the child’s identity, arrived in Guatemala, no one came to pick her up at a reunification center near the airport.

Instead of reuniting with her deported father, whom she hadn’t seen since they crossed the U.S. border together six months ago, the child spent yet another night in a government-run shelter, according to Kids In Need of Defense, an organization helping the U.S. government to reunify families.

“Just imagining this 4-year-old going back [home] after months and months of separation ... and then her dad didn’t show up after all of this,” said Lisa Frydman, KIND’s director of regional and policy initiatives. “The trauma level is unimaginable.”

Legal and immigration experts say ICE is sending children back to Central America without properly notifying parents of their travel plans. The Department of Justice recently said ICE is only handling only “a relatively small number” of repatriation cases, but advocates say even a handful of situations in which parents aren’t given the proper notice to pick up their children is a major cause for concern.

“This case was an example of a complete failure,” Frydman said of Karla and her father. “It’s totally preventable and completely in the U.S. government’s control.”

Read: "ICE Is Sending Separated Children Home With No One To Pick Them Up"

Beyond cruel. Abhorrent and disgusting.

We must stop this, America.


[Three migrant minors who had been separated from their family on the U.S. border play in a welcome room upon arrival at La Aurora airport in Guatemala City on Aug. 7.]

When the Hondurans show up at our border claiming their country is so bad and dangerous they need a new country to move to, we can congratulate them for choosing Mexico as their new home.

Georgia Dem gubernatorial nominee says 'blue wave' will include undocumented immigrants0.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia...nted-immigrants

A “blue wave” in the midterm elections will be fueled in part by undocumented immigrants, Democratic gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams said at a campaign rally last week.

A “blue wave” in the midterm elections will be fueled in part by undocumented immigrants, Democratic gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams said at a campaign rally last week.

“But the thing of it is, the blue wave is African-American. It’s white, it’s Latino, it’s Asian Pacific Islander. It is disabled. It is differently abled. It is LGBTQ. It is law enforcement. It is veterans,” Abrams said to cheers. “It is made up of those who are told they are not worthy of being here ... those who are documented and undocumented.”

the actual quote. context matters. she's just talking about the overall wave, not the voting booths. good job vambo for spreading hate tho.

since vambo posted an article to drown it out

how does one civilly confront their congressperson about such uncivil matters?

Securing and Managing Our Borders

https://www.dhs.gov/securing-and-managing-our-borders

Protecting the nation's borders—land, air, and sea—from the illegal entry of people, weapons, drugs, and contraband is vital to our homeland security, as well as economic prosperity. Over the past several years, DHS has deployed unprecedented levels of personnel, technology, and resources to the Southwest border. At the same time, DHS has made critical security improvements along the Northern border, investing in additional Border Patrol agents, technology, and infrastructure while also strengthening efforts to increase the security of the nation's maritime borders.
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The Border Patrol is better staffed today than at any time in its 87-year history. Along the Southwest border, DHS has increased the number of boots on the ground from approximately 9,100 Border Patrol agents in 2001 to more than 17,700 today.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has deployed a quarter of all its personnel to the Southwest border region – the most ever- doubling the number of personnel assigned to Border Enforcement Security Task Forces which work to dismantle criminal organizations along the border; increasing the number of intelligence analysts focused on cartel violence; and quintupling deployments of Border Liaison Officers to work with their Mexican counterparts.
Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has deployed dual detection canine teams, which identify firearms and currency, as well as non-intrusive inspection systems, Mobile Surveillance Systems, Remote Video Surveillance Systems, thermal imaging systems, radiation portal monitors, and license plate readers to the Southwest border.
CBP now screens 100 percent of southbound rail shipments for illegal weapons, drugs, and cash, has expanded Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) coverage to the entire Southwest border and completed 650 miles of fencing.
President Obama authorized the temporary deployment of up to 1,200 additional National Guard personnel as a bridge to longer-term enhancements in border protection, and law enforcement personnel from DHS to target illicit networks' trafficking in people, drugs, illegal weapons, money, and the violence associated with these illegal activities.

Fewer Apprehensions and Increased Interdiction of Drugs, Weapons, and Currency

Illegal immigration attempts, as measured by Border Patrol apprehensions, have decreased 36 percent in the past two years, and are less than one third of what they were at their peak.
Over the past two and a half years, DHS has seized 75 percent more currency, 31 percent more drugs, and 64 percent more weapons along the Southwest border as compared to the last two and a half years during the previous Administration.

International Partnerships

In 2010, Presidents Obama and Calderon issued a Declaration on 21st Century Border Management, to pursue initiatives that will expedite the legitimate flow of people and goods and focus law enforcement resources on those people and goods that represent the highest risk or about which officials know the least.
Secretary Napolitano and her Mexican counterparts have signed numerous bilateral agreements and declarations to deepen cooperation and collaboration in the areas of enforcement, planning, information and intelligence sharing, joint operations, and trade facilitation along the Southwest border.

Northern Border

International Partnerships: In February 2011, President Obama and Prime Minister Harper of Canada signed the "Shared Vision for Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness." The "Shared Vision" emphasizes shared responsibility for the safety, security, and resilience of the United States and Canada by addressing threats at the earliest point possible; facilitating trade, economic growth, and jobs; collaborating on integrated cross-border law enforcement; and partnering to secure and strengthen the resilience of critical infrastructure and cybersecurity.
Boots on the Ground: Currently, CBP has more than 2,200 Border Patrol agents on the Northern border, a 500 percent increase since 9/11. In addition, there are nearly 3,700 CBP Officers managing the flow of people and goods across ports of entry and crossings along the Northern border.
Ports of Entry: CBP is using Recovery Act funds to modernize more than 35 land ports of entry along the Northern border to meet current security and operational needs.
Technology: DHS has deployed thermal camera systems, Mobile Surveillance Systems, and Remote Video Surveillance Systems along the Northern border.
Aerial Coverage: Approximately 950 miles along the Northern border from Washington to Minnesota are currently covered by unmanned aircraft, in addition to approximately 200 miles along the northern border in New York and Lake Ontario—none of which were covered prior to the creation of DHS.

Maritime Security

The United States Coast Guard (USCG) secures our nation's maritime borders through a layered security system that begins beyond the country's physical borders. At-sea presence deters potential threats, provides mobile surveillance coverage, increases warning time, engages smugglers at the earliest point possible, and enables USCG to address potential threats before they can cause harm to the United States.
USCG's Maritime Security and Response Operations include waterborne and aerial patrols as well as armed escorts of hazardous cargos and passenger vessels in order to reduce the risk of terrorism to the U.S. Marine Transportation System, critical infrastructure and key resources.
USCG has increased the presence and capabilities of maritime forces to address threats through the establishment of the Deployable Operations Group, which can respond rapidly to terrorist and weapons of mass destruction threats as well as Maritime Safety and Security Teams at critical U.S. ports, which focus on domestic maritime threats and post-incident response.

Border Security

Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative WHTI: In 2009, DHS successfully implemented the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) for land and sea travel to the U.S., requiring that U.S., Mexican and Canadian citizens present a passport or other secure travel document that denotes identity and citizenship when entering the U.S. Prior to WHTI, U.S. or Canadian travelers could present any of numerous documents and simply make an oral declaration of citizenship.
Radiation Detection: Customs and Border Protection has deployed Radiation Portal Monitors and other radiation detection technologies to seaports, land border ports, and mail facilities around the world. In 2003, these systems scanned only 68 percent of arriving trucks and passenger vehicles along the Northern border, no systems were deployed to the Southwest border, and only one was deployed to a seaport. Today, these systems scan 100 percent of all containerized cargo and personal vehicles arriving in the U.S. through land ports of entry, as well as over 99 percent of arriving sea containers.

2 MS-13 gang members wanted in New York City teen’s stabbing, police say

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-ms-13-gang-members-wanted-in-new-york-city-teens-stabbing-police-say

Have y'all heard about the latest boogeyman fox news article that has old white people crapping their depends? Trump said... FILL IN THE BLANK, about these POC.

There are more than 600 children who are either still in government custody or were released to someone other than the parents they arrived with (a family member or friend, usually). That includes more than 20 under the age of 5.

How damaging to these young kids. This is, to me, the most heinous thing this administration has done. Yet to some in the admin like Miller, this is "good news." How disgusting.

The actions taken with these kids was one of my last straws that made me leave the Republican Party.

There is right and there is wrong, and that was wrong and the problem still continues. Children should be with their parents. The lack of empathy was/is appalling.


Right then and there, I never felt so shamed to be an American in my life. There's right and there's wrong, and that was so wrong. I knew, that was not the team i wanted to be on. It made me sick. Separating children from their parents (who all they've done wrong is illegally crossed a border in hopes of a better life) is not "Making America Great Again." Not one bit.

The Kids Trump separated to be sure they weren't being bought and sold or the Kids Obama locked in cages?

How deplorable, you’re proud that Trump separated thousands of innocent young children and babies from their families to shut down a human trafficker or two with no known evidence of that at all. Thought you guys were down with the innocent to proven guilty thingy? Oooops my bad, wrong color, must be guilty, lock em up.

Nearly 20,000 victims are sold and trafficked each year. This number includes the victims who are as young as 5 and 6 years of age. According to UNICEF every two minutes a child is being prepared for sexual exploitation. 1.2 million children alone are being trafficked every year.

How despicable that you refer to these kids as but a few!

What 40 is claiming here comes from "QAnon", a group of insane Reddit posters who believe that Russia investigation is a secret backdoor to prosecute Hillary Clinton and Obama for a global pedophile ring that they operate within the DNC. According to them, Hillary and Obama are both already under "secret arrest", and wear ankle monitors that they keep hidden.

I didn't think anyone would be insane enough to bring Q to DawgTalkers, but I'm not shocked it's 40.

Where is the proof that these children Trump separated at the border were being victims of trafficking? You just claimed he had them separated from their parents to be sure that they wern’t being trafficked. Where’s the proof? Deplorable. Racial Hypocrisy to the core.

40's insane Q-Anon stuff aside, he's accidentally right about that.

ICE agents are predatory scumbags, with hundreds of arrests among them for predatory sex crimes alone.

There's no doubt that the separation policies of the Obama and Trump administrations have put these kids in grave danger.

His bizarre dissonant claim that Obama's separation policy was harmful was Trump's is helpful is obviously insane rambling, but that doesn't mean Obama's policies didn't include the same horrific dangers that Trump's does.

40 just stop. Trump doesn't give a damn about these kids because he doesn't view them as human and neither do you. I'm not even gonna waste my time labeling you or trump. This is one time though that I hope there's a God and that he/she is vindictive.

I just came from a week in Cabo San Lucas. I don't blame these people for wanting to come here.

In a moment of complete honesty, I am so thankful to have my lot in life. So thankful that America let me back in to the country. I've been all over the world and there is no place I'd rather be.

My point: I completely understand why these people want to come here. The scraps we throw from our plates is better than anything they could possibly work for in their desolate, corrupt countries.