DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 23 Buccaneers 26 Postgame thoughts

Wait, who is Aditi?

rishuz, I was sitting on the 40 yd line at rjs and baker had about two passes he threw to open receivers. The rest he was trying to fit passes in to non existent windows of receivers totally blanketed. Most of our wideouts could not get open at all. Not sure how many passes were completed to receivers not named Landry or njoku but it was not many.
Winston on the other hand was throwing to open receivers all day.

I watched our d line fairly closely. Garrett, ogenjobi and ogbah played a lot of plays on a very hot day. As I watched our linemen looking pretty gassed late in the game I was reminded that nassib, Shelton, meder and Brantley were available to rotate in last year and we chose to get rid of all of them. I do not even know who our backups are now but they do not play much. I wish we had those four guys back so our starters could stay fresh.

Nassib took lots of grief here but he played as well as any d lineman out there today. We give up on players too easily.

You are probably right.

good point ... we had a dline that had to be gassed

She is a reporter for the NFL Network, based out of Pittsburgh, but also covers the Browns.

I heard Hue, Marv Lewis & Jason Garrett are looking to open a little B&B together on the Isle of Optimism. Anyone know anything about zoning laws?

and clearly haley's puppet

time for hue to call silver

Hue blaming (as usual) anyone but himself for the team's problems. This time he threw Haley under the bus.

That actually didn't sound that bad. I think there were some quotes that came before that clip that were worse. That was more Hue doing some damage control based on those earlier quotes I believe.

Good post...and I totally agree.

Our Dline is playing way too many snaps (part of it is because we have no depth or "wave" players to rotate in...other part is our O is always in 3 and out mode)

Now I'm not saying Dorsey is dumb, but it seems like he got rod of our Dline depth guys as they were Sashi guys (Not deserving of their draft draft pedigree, and not hand picked by him) However they did know the system (as they all had 1 full year of it last year) and be at minimum they provided solid-good depth...We have none of that...Only guy I notice we occassional sub in is Price, and he blows everytime he plays

Our front 4 and LBs were sucking air late in the 2nd quarter...I did see that, that's concerning that early.

I think a huge reason Ogbah, Ogu, Garrett, Coley disappear often...Is because they are playing at 80 percent instead of 100, due to overuse and exhaustion. Notice the lack of hustle at times later in the game, and the more jog approach (aka Jamie Collins) they take...They are worn out...


Not to mention all of these overtime games over exert our own players..

Yeah, because Hue Jackson's offense the last two seasons have been awesome. Todd Haley isn't the problem. Trading away a popular starting RB and having only ONE WR is. Also, we ARE playing with a ROOKIE QB. One that got ZERO 1st team reps before he was forced to start. But sure Hue, make Haley quit so you can go back to how you like it. Dual role. You suck at both. OR you COULD BACK UP YOUR STAFF!! I have been a Jackson supporter since he was hired but I DO NOT like how he just threw Haley under the bus.

Same things killed us in this game that have killed us before..

Penalties, especially at inopportune times.. just once I want to see a guy come to sidelines and get lit up for some of these stupid penalties.. tired of seeing them get a pat on the butt and a "get 'em next time"... There are 2 reasons for penalties, either you are overmatched in your assignment and the only way you can "win" is to hold or push off or whatever.. the other is just lack of discipline and stupid. We commit too many of both.

Our OL backpeddles faster than our DBs.. even when they don't get beat, they get pushed into the QBs lap so quickly it's like there never was a "pocket" of any kind.

Watching our 7-11 defense.. where the middle is open 24 hours.. is frustrating.

Our WR group, where the tallest guy is about 6'1" makes those jump ball plays almost impossible...

We didn't force a punt until midway through the 3rd quarter.. don't get me wrong, love the turnovers.. but if we don't get a turnover, we can't get off the field.

On a positive note,
Chubb looked good. He's the best back we have with the ball in his hands (and that includes Hyde).. and Duke is the usual great compliment... shame both of them had a couple real nice plays called back for stupid penalties.

Made some good halftime adjustments, wish we had started that way.. wish we could be more consistent but at the end of 60 minutes, both teams had scored 23 points.. doesn't really matter how you get there. Ask the Panthers if they are upset that they only played one good quarter of football today, it was enough for them.

Peppers is starting to contribute, especially as a returner.. had a real nice one, then a second nice one.. right up until he put the ball on the ground.

Was glad to see Mayfield take off and run with the ball a few times. Seemed to freeze their defense a little bit after he did that a couple times. I don't want him to be Cam Newton or Michael Vick but he has to do it once in a while just to keep defenses honest.

I saw a young team bounce back from a trouncing and once again having me questioning myself on my views on gun control ... i wonder if we weren’t allowed to have a gun if we’d continue to shoot ourselves in the foot til we have no toes left ...

Golly gee were our own worst enemies .... go nick go nick ... laundry ..... yes, nice chunk duke ... laundry ... yes .... great play mr. Ward ... MG offsides .... 3 and out, great job d .. laundry ...

Both sides of the ball ... bang bang bang ... toe after toe after toe ... we NEVER seem to run out of bullets ...

Everything is so hard for us on O ... i knew it would be a struggle but i never envisioned this ... we can’t get out of our own way ... WERE SO YOUNG ....

Talk about wet behind the ears ...

Bake ... Chubb ... Callaway .... Ratley ... Harrison ...

Thats a lot of pups ...

Oh well ... on to next week ... maybe we’ll surprise ... we’re capable ..

[quote=MemphisBrownie]

- Nassib (oops, wrong team)

LOL

This team has lost for so long that it was/is a muscle memory reflex for them. BUT I can see flashes of what's to come when all these rookies finally get it. We are loaded with quality talent. But we are very young, riddled with injuries, lack a true #1 WR, and too much inexperience.

I really like Baker. You can see him studying the game even as he plays it. Just think, if he keeps bring us back or even just progressing each game the rest of the year, win or lose he's our man.

I'll end with something for you to think about. If this team can keep making these games tight, I mean 4 overtimes already and a damn tie! Just imagine what we will be when all these rookies get it. And I don't like Hue, but the guy has more than doubled his previous all time win total for all prior years combined! How can we be so mad right now?

Maybe we fans should just take a breath and let this develop. Whatever happens in the FO or Coaching staff just needs to not impede the teams development.

The hit on Baker, the hit I thought was okay, Baker slid late no time for the D player to stop. What should have been called QB or not was the hit to the head!

Ogbah had a great game.

Chubb played good.

Collins and Kirksey played good.

Landry had a good game.

Colquitt had a monster game, probably trade him tomorrow for a conditional 7th, lol.

This argument gets so ridiculous. "Made" a move or "completed" a move... the NFL has made this junk very hard to interpret.

Dude CAUGHT the ball, landed with both feet and turned upfield. How is that still not enough to be considered a catch? Somehow, later in the game we see a Buc player laying on his belly looking like he's petting a cat, which happens to be a football, and that IS ruled a catch.

Can't make this stuff up.

Don't forget the loser spotting a 3 yard gain as a 4 yard gain and a first down. I guess he was only off by 33%. It's not like he was racing down field to catch the play, it was right in his face. Yeah, and as someone mentioned, the loser taking great pride in telling Callaway there was no DPI... til his buddy jumped in, bet that dinner date didn't go very well.

Earlier this year the NFL claimed that their biggest point of emphasis would be helmet contact:

*doesn't matter who, offense or defense, no player can use his helmet to initiate contact

*doesn't matter where on the body contact is made.

*plays may be reviewed, players maybe ejected... standards for ejection from the NFL website...




Yep, hit on Baker met all criteria. YET, play wasn't even reviewed, flag was picked up and officials said it didn't matter because he was a runner.

I have seriously NEVER seen authority figures, in any walk of life, as inept as NFL officiating this year. You would have to train someone to try and screw up this bad in order to achieve these results.

There was an article that was posted here recently about the problems with having had a large number of senior officials retiring recently to go into TV, leaving behind a lot of inexperienced officials.

Now is the time for the NFL to hire full time officials. Enough of this part time nonsense. Sign these guys up as full time employees, with year round schooling on the rules.

Also, simplify the damn rulebook. What difference does it really make if 2 players are in motion and don't set for a full second? Make everyone an eligible receiver. What difference does it really make that 5 OL are not eligible? Allow 6 men to one side of the Center. Who cares? Eliminate all of the motion penalties. Simplify the rules of the game so the officials can pay attention to the important stuff, rather than minutia.

Make any blatantly blown play on the field reviewable. Blatant false start that allows the offense to score a TD? QB fumbles? Holding in the end zone? Yes. Challenge, review and overturn. In fact, there should be an official watching the game from the replay location who is looking for plays just like that. There would have to be a blatantly blown call, and there have been far too many this year.

Also, eliminate quick whistles. If the defense returns a potential fumble, let them. Sort it out after.

There are so many unimportant rules that the officials get bogged down in them, and are missing the important things happening on the field. It's time for changes.

I can't help but think that Nassib would help us down the stretch of games ... he'd be employed on passing downs and/org give Ogbah/Myles a break so they aren't exhausted the final drives

Pressed further on that issue, he reiterated, "I'm the head coach of the football team, period. Period. There's nothing else that needs to be said. Nothing. I'm the head coach of the football team.''

Yes Hue, we know that. Why do you feel the need to keep reminding people of that fact?

I only saw the 2nd Half and OT.
Hyde who?
GREAT Rally!
I'm not flinching when we Kick!
I am though flinching when we get a good gain...
Yellow Flag Syndrome I think.

Do NFL/Player's Association Rules forbid Team Punishment for Penalties?
Say $1000.00/Yard for the penalty your boneheaded move cost the Team.
For the O this includes the yards lost from a positive gain.
For the D add 5 Thousand for giving them a first down.
And throw in Public Shaming Laps! ;-)

Something/Anything to stop this Bleeding!

Who do you want off the team the most? I'm cursed when it comes to jerseys...

-I won a Manziel jersey in a raffle... he was gone the following year

-Before that I got a TRich jersey for Christmas... he was gone the following year

-Before that I was gifted a Kam Winmbley jersey... he was gone the next year...

-And waaay before that as I kid I saved up all my paper route money and bought a Leroy Hoard jersey (the only one I wear to this day).. 4 weeks later the WHOLE team was leaving

It's so bad I'm afraid with a track record like that of getting a jersey with my own name on it

why don't you start buying Steelers jerseys?

- Watching the highlights just now, it's criminal how close we have been to winning games (literally, the Steelers, Saints, Raiders, and Bucs games were probably at 90% chance to win at the end)

IMO, this is not a talent problem. We have the talent ... maybe not to be one of the better teams, but to be better than 2-5 (yes, I'll count the tie as a loss)

In my experience, if you have to keep telling people who you are and how good you are, you probably aren't what you think... If Hue were let go I'd be largely indifferent to it. My biggest beef with him is all the scapegoating he's done since being in Cleveland. Some people try make his first 2 seasons out to be like he was a victim of a bad roster and Sashi's plan. Nonsense. He knew exactly what he was signing up for from the beginning. He knew he'd be working with a shortage of talent in the short term. I was never expecting the guy to work miracles, but his teams have under performed for way to long.


Having just crapped on him, I will say that maybe the O could benefit from Hue's vertical game. And guys like Duke were involved a lot more. Problem with his O's is that it's too predictable and he tends not to stick with what works.

Watching the game yesterday it appears to me like this team does not expect to win.. at least they don't believe that for 4 quarters. It's like we were waiting to see what Tampa was going to give us on D instead of showing them who we were on O. On D I swear Gregg was afraid to go toe to toe. I get our secondary is in a bad way, but we looked real good when we finally sacked up and played aggressive.

Myles does get run past the QB a lot.. I wish we had someone to take advantage of that gap created between the LT and LG when he does that... almost every play it leaves a clear lane to the QB and we don't exploit it

Dawg... you're lucky we don't live in an age where dueling is still legal... lol

Look, I don't care how much people love hue, this is another loss directly on him.

Penalties cost us - this is an undisciplined team

Never ready or prepared - goes back to being undisciplined. We have all week to prepare for a game, and we come out like we are playing an entirely different team we prepared for. EVERY WEEK.

Lack turnover success - For whatever reason, we are better off not turning the ball over. 20 turnovers and what 24 or 27 points? Pathetic.

You are what you are with Hue.

what was the final penalty count? Had to be 15 accepted penalties .. I think I heard the announcer say SIX times we GAVE them a 1st down on a penalty

J/C

- offense was MIA most of the first half but a great comeback based around Mayfield connecting with Landry and Chubb.
- Chubb was pretty good - he’s a tough runner who is pretty elusive for a guy his size.
- injuries have hampered us in a big way. Williams’ D needs at least 2/3 good to very good man cover CBs. WR - man - outside Landry we have little right now. Maybe Ratley can progress and Higgins will make a difference but if we had a Mike Evans type the O would be cooking. We need WR, covering LB and CB depth looking at next season.
- momentum was with us, Peppers has been much better on returns but that fumble killed it. I don’t care they missed the FG in regulation. As an aside, after taking in the loss, was pleased for their kicker he made that 59 yarder. I wouldn’t wish that isolation in failure on anyone.
- Harrison struggled against JPP but it’s to be expected. Kid is taking his lumps. I’m way more concerned about Hubbard who made Nassib look like an all pro at times. Nassib played well, obviously had a chip on his shoulder. As others have said we could do with depth we let go.
- Ogbah was immense. I think he’s finally benefiting from pairing with Garrett, who again is constantly almost always getting to the QB.
- defense is boom or bust. I don’t know if we can change that. They play well and create takeaways that statistically should give us an edge but we never seem to capitalise.
- penalties need to be addressed. I thought Mayfield would get flagged for taunting after the head hit which I can see both sides.

All in all a better performance but why did it take a half for the O to get moving and why are we so susceptible to giving up yards quickly on D?

I'm not sure about yesterdays game but here's where we're at year to date against the other top teams. The whole league is linked below.




League Totals
Note: "Beneficiary" means the team's opponent was called for the penalty.

Offsetting and Declined penalties are not included in any columns except 'Offsetting', 'Declined', and 'Total Flags'.

'Plays' include all offensive, defensive, and special teams plays.

NFL Penalties.com

We really are “special” .. *L* ...

That just makes me wonder what is the longest drive in the history of the league to not produce points ... hmmmm ... i wonder ...

So a really young team is undisciplined, commits a lot of penalties and let me guess ... there inconsistent also ...

Just throwing this out here, because I absolutely are thinking about it watching this offense after this game...

Josh Gordon impact huge in NE

As the year goes on, the young team should get better at lowering the amount of penalties they receive, yes? We are not getting better.

My heart almost didn't restart.....

Those are interesting stats but they don’t show when the penalty was committed in the context of the game. I think we committed penalties at least 2/3 times on 3rd down when we’d made the stop. On offense we committed penalties negating significant plays. Context is everything - we seem to commit them at the worst possible times.

that's a good point ... our penalties are always KILLER