Not to be macabre about it, but anyone with sophistication would have had the bombs do their job. The fact that we have 0 stories so far about a bomb explosion is one of the most surprising parts of this ordeal.
I suspect Barron. (in keeping with the insanity of this thread)
From The National Review's Response to the 1963 Birmingham church bombing:
Quote:
"…he set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically as to raise the question whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur—of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro."
Speaks volumes.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The more that comes out the more I am inclined to beleive that this is sketchy.
1. 10! 10 bombs and NONE went off? 2....this....I am to believe that right wing activists put "get er done" on a bomb, that is just an out an out leftist parody of the right.
I am still withholding judgement but come on, this is a parody of itself.
"White folks are going down. And Satan is going down. And Farrakhan, by God's grace, has pulled the cover off of that Satanic Jew and I'm here to say your time is up, your world is through."
Louis Farrakhan Leader Black nationalist group Nation of Islam
If the right thinks this is some kind of Dem stunt, please tell me how it benefits dems? Is this suddenly going to convert Trumpians? Is this going to increase voter turnout? Is this going to outrage dems anymore than they have already been? Nope. Doesn't add up. Right wing nutjob, an especially stupid one, adds up.
If the right thinks this is some kind of Dem stunt, please tell me how it benefits dems? Is this suddenly going to convert Trumpians? Is this going to increase voter turnout? Is this going to outrage dems anymore than they have already been? Nope. Doesn't add up. Right wing nutjob, an especially stupid one, adds up.
You have to admit, the timing, right before midterms and some of the ancillary facts like the “get ur done” ISIS flag on the bomb is very suspicious at least.
At this point it could be anyone from either side. But unless you think whoever it is is very smart you have to consider something.
Firstly he spelled Brennan's name wrong. Secondly, Brennan doesn't even work for CNN. He's a contributor for NBC/MSNBC. So he even got the news agency Brennan works for wrong. Now could that be some kind of ploy? Sure it could. But that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
From The National Review's Response to the 1963 Birmingham church bombing:
Quote:
"…he set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically as to raise the question whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur—of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro."
It sure didn’t take long for them to trot out the liberal provocateur angle already did it?
Certainly nothing new.
Like I said, smart money is on some Breitbart Skinhead and/or Grandpa, based on the list. No one but those racist cranks could care less about people like Eric Holder or Maxine Waters. And DeNiro was the big giveaway - Breitbart has been portraying him as some kind of radical John Brown type for months to whip up the Grandpas.
How exactly would a lone wolf carry out a nation wide concentrated effort?
that is my point...a lone wolf nut job could not do that.... so what group benefits? anarchists and left leaning groups looking to drum up sympathy support as a false flag...a gop type group has no "positive" end game for doing this.
Occam's Razor: is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the one that requires the least speculation is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation.
Simplest explanation: Some Deplorable decided to build some devices and send them to 45's "enemies."
When dealing with stories like this, best to go with simple.
So instead of Hillary just being a loser that did not appeal to the elctorate outside of metropolitan areas, the theory is that Russia operatives through complex internet schemes and bot psotings hi jacked the election in favor of Donald....gotcha
If the right thinks this is some kind of Dem stunt, please tell me how it benefits dems? Is this suddenly going to convert Trumpians? Is this going to increase voter turnout? Is this going to outrage dems anymore than they have already been? Nope. Doesn't add up. Right wing nutjob, an especially stupid one, adds up.
You have to admit, the timing, right before midterms and some of the ancillary facts like the “get ur done” ISIS flag on the bomb is very suspicious at least.
I see your point, but again 'especially stupid' comes to mind.
If the right thinks this is some kind of Dem stunt, please tell me how it benefits dems? Is this suddenly going to convert Trumpians? Is this going to increase voter turnout? Is this going to outrage dems anymore than they have already been? Nope. Doesn't add up. Right wing nutjob, an especially stupid one, adds up.
You have to admit, the timing, right before midterms and some of the ancillary facts like the “get ur done” ISIS flag on the bomb is very suspicious at least.
I see your point, but again 'especially stupid' comes to mind.
Yeah, we’re talking about a senile simpleton who spends rallies - populated by the dumbest and most racist rubes this country has to offer - shouting about how everyone is out to get him and them, encouraging violence and warning of mobs of Nancy Pelosi supporters and brown people becoming an unruly mob that’s coming for them...
...and their actions being exceedingly dumb is somehow surprising or out of place?
Investigators are working around the clock to identify who is behind the series of package bombs sent to several high-profile Democrats, including former President Barack Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden.
Fortunately for the victims and investigators, the bombs were crudely made, did not explode and contain a treasure trove of valuable information that can be used to track down the culprit.
“There’s DNA that can be recovered from the device,” Ryan Morris, founder of Tripwire Operation Group, a company that provides explosives training to law enforcement and military officials, told Fox News.
Morris said that investigators will likely be able to take DNA from the fingerprints found on the tape as well as the saliva from the postage stamps. Each package that was sent had six postage stamps attached. Experts will also test the powder and look for specific chemical markers that can be used to identify the person or persons involved.
Larry Johnson, a former head of criminal investigations for the U.S. Secret Service who also served as a special agent in charge of the presidential protective detail, agrees that bomb makers usually leave evidence – and their signature- behind.
“If there is a human involved, there is a high probability you’re going to get somewhere investigatively,” he told The Associated Press. “There will be no stone left unturned.”
Johnson believes it’s “highly likely” the person who built the bombs will have been previously flagged by law enforcement. The Secret Service maintains a wide database of groups and individuals who have made threats in the past against presidents or other top political leaders and activists via email, letters or on social media.
The FBI said Wednesday that it identified at least seven suspicious packages addressed to prominent Democratic figures over the last three days. Three more packages were discovered Thursday, bumping the total number to 10.
James Fitzgerald, a retired FBI profiler and forensic linguist who, in 1996, helped catch "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski -- who killed 3 people and injured 23 in bombings between 1978 and 1995 -- told Fox News on Wednesday that the letter sent to John Brennan, the former director of the CIA and a staunch Trump critic, reminded him of something the Unabomber would send because of the amount of stamps used on the package.
“The linguist in me noticed that Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the last name is spelled missing a ‘c’ and John Brennan’s name is spelled missing an ‘n’ and that kind of surprised me and I have a feeling that was done on purpose to make this look like somebody who doesn’t really know who these people are and that it wasn’t an honest mistake. If he had this much anger and vitriol against these people, you would think he would know how to spell their names.
Fitzgerald said that “almost all bombers in the past have been single bombers”, but he added what stood out to past campaigns, including Kaczynski and Mark Conditt, the bomber who terrorized Austin, Texas, earlier this year, for the most part mailed their package bombs separately.
Fitzgerald also said further evidence may present itself.
“There may be some sort of a letter or social media aspect or video tape, or something equivalent to that comes in the mail, a DVD or whatever that claims responsibility for this, but we’re too early, this person had a point they had to make with these devices and quite frankly they’ve made it.”
Fran Townsend, former Homeland Security Advisor in the George W Bush administration, and now CBS News’s security analyst, said the bombs were “not a standard recipe”.
“He didn’t go on the internet and just pull down the standard Al Qaeda recipe which we’ve seen before, so he’s left his own signature, there’s something unique about the way this has been put together which will be very helpful for investigators," she told CBS News.
She added that she thinks there will be plenty of breaks in the case because of the bomber’s perceived sloppiness.
“This is somebody who has made plenty of mistakes – the wrong address to Eric Holder, misspelling John Brennan’s name, John Brennan doesn’t work at CNN, he works at NBC, so this is somebody who has made plenty of mistakes along the way. All the outside packages are identical – six stamps, two tiers, printed labels. This is somebody who has likely left a lot of clues.”
Ralph Basham, Secret Service director from 2003 to 2006, told Vox that he believes the culprit or culprits will be caught quickly, due to the number of experts and investigators involved.
“Authorities will deconstruct this device and find out what materials were used. ATF [the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] has a large database of materials.
“They’ll look for the serial numbers on the parts, track down where those parts were made and who sold them.
“After a while, they’ll come up with a pattern and a possible location where all of these different items came from.
“Through that process, they’ll narrow possibilities down and find the perpetrators. But there’s a little bit of luck in this, as well. It’s not all science. You need a break.”
Basham cautioned that even though the likes of the FBI and ATF are pouring resources into the investigation, it could take more than a month.
“It takes a lot of time to put all the information together: They need to get all they can from the devices and track where the packages came from.”
They also screwed up the return address name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and a couple of the packages were returned to sender because they were addressed to wrong addresses. Also, very rudimentary devices-some so poorly made the FBI thinks they would not have even went off.
Whoever it was, they don't seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer and probably left a treasure trove of clues to which they will hang him/her self
James Fitzgerald, a retired FBI profiler and forensic linguist who, in 1996, helped catch "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski
This guy and a handful of others have been touted as "helping" catch the Unabomber for years, and by "helping", it's meant "listening when the guy's own brother figured it out and turned him in".
The FBI was in the dark until David Kaczynski clued them in.
The horrible acts of the political vigilantes who planted possible pipe bombs must bring both parties together in their opposition to political violence and in favor of restoring civility in politics. They should appear together in the Rose Garden of the White House and the rotunda of the Capitol united in the defense of our country and our democracy.
President Trump, who has sometimes been tone deaf in times of crisis, struck exactly the right chord when he called for national unity and a bringing down of the tone of rhetoric on all sides.
But Democrats, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, muffed an easy opportunity to join in bipartisan calls for a better politics. Instead they blamed President Trump for any potential violence, alleging that he has frequently condoned violence and that his words ring hollow. They politicized the attempted bombings without even knowing the facts.
Then some media outlets weighed in blaming the President’s attacks on the media as a cause. Yet, it would be equally unfair to blame CNN for the ricin powder sent to President Trump.
This was an enormous opportunity missed. The media and some politicians just could not put aside their blind hatred and instead direct it at those who would disrupt our country.
And now the president has pointed a finger at the media in return.
As of today, we don’t know if these devices were able to or intended to explode. We don’t know who sent them and why. I am not going to even speculate on possible reasons. We simply at this point do not know and have no real evidence on which to judge.
In contrast, when a crazed Bernie Sanders supporting gunman opened up fire against Republican Congressmen on a baseball diamond, the Republicans did not blame the Democrats for inciting the violence. If anything, they carefully avoided making any comments that could be interpreted as politicizing the incident. They followed the golden rule here of never politicizing violence against politicians. We've lost too many of our greatest leaders to assassins to open the door even a crack to blaming one another for these acts.
And newspapers like the New York Times do their readers no service by pointing out the rhetorical excesses of Trump in their stories about the pipe bomb but leaving out the comments of Democratic leaders who urged kicking the Republicans or abandoning civility. No one has completely clean hands here and no one other than the perpetrators is truly responsible for these acts.
We are in a dangerous spiral and we are once again being manipulated by October surprises of unknown origin. Trump has been harsh on his critics but he has never advocated political violence against his opponents. Democrats of late were condoning the shouting down and public shaming of government officials but in fairness never advocated violence. If the mass mailing of pipe bombs doesn’t bring our country together in ways that rise above partisanship, then how will we ever solve issues like immigration and healthcare?
It’s time for all our leaders to show they can put the nation first over petty politics and appear together, united against violence as one voice. If not now, when?
Why Am i not surprised it’s probably somebody who lives in florida?
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Five days ago, he praised a Republican congressman for bodyslamming a journalist, and then went on a senile rant where he daydreamed about how he would approach a fistfight with Joe Biden.
This from the same guy who encouraged violence against people protesting at his campaigns.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
This from the same guy who encouraged violence against people protesting at his campaigns.
Why do they pick literally the worst possible mouthpiece to advance their talking points?
Because the sad reality is that for their particular ideology, he’s the best they have to offer. Think about that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
and over again. Yet not a word from the Arch's and vambo's and 40's of the world.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
This from the same guy who encouraged violence against people protesting at his campaigns.
Why do they pick literally the worst possible mouthpiece to advance their talking points?
Because the sad reality is that for their particular ideology, he’s the best they have to offer. Think about that.
Yeah, I've said for a long time that Trump is one of 2 things for people who mount defenses for him-
a) a useful idiot (these are the types that will say stuff like "I'm not his biggest fan, but..."
or
b) someone impotent racist cranks see as a funhouse mirror reflection of themselves (these are the types that post Breitbart links or harbor bizarre delusions about Trump being some sort of tough alpha)
The A) crowd won't invoke him but will defend him, and the B) crowd purposely invokes him to often hilarious ends
This situation feels staged to me. I am just as likely to believe the democratic party sent these bombs to garner sympathy as I am to believe some extremely incompetent vigilante did it.
I mean it's just so easy to build bombs that work that this is all just silliness to me. I'm sure our military and police members can back me up on this. I know for 50-200 bucks I can easily make a bomb that wipes out a theater on remote detonation. That's less than the cost of a gun and very low risk. No, I won't share how it's done either because I don't need knocks on my door by men in suits.
10 plus bombs all easily found and none having effect is just very suspicious to me. Tactics like this get used all the time in third world countries to manipulate the people.
I don't know maybe it's a real person but man are they really bad at it.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
This situation feels staged to me. I am just as likely to believe the democratic party sent these bombs to garner sympathy as I am to believe some extremely incompetent vigilante did it.
I mean it's just so easy to build bombs that work that this is all just silliness to me. I'm sure our military and police members can back me up on this. I know for 50-200 bucks I can easily make a bomb that wipes out a theater on remote detonation. That's less than the cost of a gun and very low risk. No, I won't share how it's done either because I don't need knocks on my door by men in suits.
10 plus bombs all easily found and none having effect is just very suspicious to me. Tactics like this get used all the time in third world countries to manipulate the people.
I don't know maybe it's a real person but man are they really bad at it.
From The National Review's Response to the 1963 Birmingham church bombing:
"…he set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically as to raise the question whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur—of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro."
Razorthorns is known for his bizarre and laughable opinions, but I'm truly dismayed at how DawgTalkers political threads became almost undistinguishable from the Breitbart or Stormfront comment sections.
There's always been a handful of weirdos, but how many seperate "this smells like a Dem false flag to me?" insane nonsensical arguments have been put forth today alone?
im not backing you up on a damn thing with your crazy ass conspiracy rhetoric. kick rocks. you sound like alex jones when he claimed sandy hook was a false flag operation filled with crisis actors.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
im not backing you up on a damn thing with your crazy ass conspiracy rhetoric. kick rocks. you sound like alex jones when he claimed sandy hook was a false flag operation filled with crisis actors.
I don't believe Sandy Hook was a false flag op, but there are definitely places that hire crisis actors:
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