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It goes back to what I said last year.....

1. Sashi got fired because of a Hue/Sashi rift.

2. Dorsey comes in and all think he is a savior.

3. Hue gets fired when Dorsey makes his play (today apparently)

4. New guy will come in and Dorsey will be the new fall guy in a couple of years.

Until Haslem sets this organization up to be run correctly (and not micromanage everything) we will have these issues. Dorsey should hire the coach and the coach report to Dorsey, but it won't happen that way. Haslem will hire a coach who reports to him and this in-fighting crap will keep going on.

I'm not mad Hue is gone, but until we change the way we operate this situation will just be cycling.

I don't know if it is coincidence or not, but it seems that the wishes of the very dumbest fans and media types always seem to win out w/the decisions the Browns make.

I don't think this has anything to do with the media, the fans, or even W/Ls. It has to do with the constant infighting, drama, and nonsense that has been here since Haslem took over.

Hue did himself no favors by always being involved in this kind of stuff, and finally it was his turn to be the fall guy.

First question asked to Lincoln Riley is about the Cleveland Browns job. Do you have any interest in the NFL?

Lincoln says, "Right now, I could care less about the NFL. Right now we're trying to win this game and make a run."

https://twitter.com/jasonkersey/status/1056955040118833153

which means, yes..i've already accepted

Two more names to add to the ever-growing list:

David Shaw (Stanford)
Mike Munchak

Hue, along with Haley, in this situation, created a toxic environment that was a hinderance to the most important asset of the franchise, Baker Mayfield, and therefore had to go.

Hue has always created a toxic environment anywhere he was the HC.

Blaming the fans and media for the Browns woes is shifting the blame from where the problems truly lie. It's an attempt that Hue would be proud of.

Blaming the coach for the organizational problems is a move that a spoiled child would be proud of.

You do realize all reports are that DORSEY wanted hue gone right? Haslem was leaning to keep hue - so your entire premise is incorrect.

Dorsey pulled the trigger. Not the fans, not Haslem. Get your facts correct please.

John DeFilippo, Kris Richard among coaching names to watch

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-names-to-watch

Who's this year's Sean McVay -- the young, up-and-coming coach who may get an NFL head job sooner than expected?

I asked the question around this time a year ago and identified seven candidates, three of whom ended up getting hired (Matt Nagy by the Bears, Mike Vrabel by the Titans and Matt Patricia by the Lions) and two others (John DeFilippo and Kris Richard) who received interviews. As I noted then, McVay -- a 30-year-old with three years of experience as a coordinator when the Rams hired him in January 2017 -- is a rare guy, and pretty much nobody has comparable experience at such a young age. But with the 7-0 Rams hot again, you can bet some NFL teams will be willing to look past the length of the resume (or lack thereof) if they feel they have a shot to land the next superstar head coach.

The criteria here remains loose: the age cutoff is in the early 40s, and the person can't have been a full-time NFL head coach before. Here's a short list of names to remember, based on dozens of recent conversations with NFL executives, coaches, players and others close to the search process:

Vikings OC John DeFilippo: If Minnesota's offense keeps rolling, this might end up being the hottest name in this hiring cycle, period. DeFilippo, 40, is sharp, driven, detailed and a lifetime QB guy going back to his college playing days. He was Carson Wentz's position coach the past two seasons in Philadelphia. Now he's putting his stamp on Kirk Cousins, who's on pace to set career highs in passing yards (4,941) and touchdowns (32) in a new offense, and showing he can put the likes of undrafted receiver Adam Thielen in position to succeed week after week. DeFilippo interviewed with the 49ers after the 2015 season (which he spent as the Browns' OC on a doomed staff) and the Cardinals and Bears this past year.

Saints assistant head coach/TEs Dan Campbell: People who have worked with Campbell, 42, rave about his leadership traits, command and communication skills. A 10-year NFL veteran as a player, Campbell knows how to reach players and demand accountability. He was 5-7 under tough circumstances as the Dolphins' interim head coach in 2015 -- a stint that provided valuable experience for learning what it's like to sit in that seat. Working with Saints coach Sean Payton the past two-plus seasons has expanded his knowledge of offense. He's involved in game-planning and run-game presentation for New Orleans' high-octane attack. But scheme isn't his selling point. He'd need to hire strong coordinators and focus on setting the program. The Colts interviewed him this past year.

Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley: The expansion of college elements into the pro game and a dearth of obvious candidates from the NFL coordinator ranks has some league executives predicting a college coach gets a job this year. And no name comes up more than Riley's. He's still just 35 years old and in his second year running the Sooners after two years as Bob Stoops' OC there. But Riley has impressed NFL scouts who come through the school, particularly with the way he developed current Browns QB Baker Mayfield. He's an offensive guru, and the modern NFL is a points race. My understanding is that Riley would listen if an NFL team calls and be intrigued by the idea of testing his approach at the next level. It'd be a huge jump, no doubt, but Riley's experience leading a high-profile college program -- recruiting, selling, influencing people -- is valuable training for the job.

Cowboys passing game coordinator/DBs coach Kris Richard: Part of the exodus from Pete Carroll's staff in Seattle after last season, Richard, 38, quickly won fans in Dallas -- including veteran DC Rod Marinelli, who handed over play-calling duties. He's a good leader with a strong defensive mind and has benefited from his time around Marinelli. Personnel isn't Richard's strength, so he'd need to be in the right place with the right GM. The Bills and Colts interviewed him in the past two cycles, respectively.


Rams QBs coach Zac Taylor and TEs coach/passing game coordinator Shane Waldron: It's only a matter of time until someone hires from the McVay tree, and Taylor and Waldron have impressed with how they've stepped into leadership roles. Their styles are different, but McVay considers both special. Taylor, 35, is more likely to win over people in an interview -- more pizzazz, has the feel of a head coach. He was a college QB and has called plays before. Waldron, 39, hasn't had as much time in front of the room and may need a little more time to work on his presence, but he has leadership traits and also worked under Bill Belichick in New England.

Patriots LBs coach Brian Flores: He's only seven games into calling plays for Belichick's defense after Patricia's departure from the defensive coordinator seat, but Flores, 37, can lead the room and has a good toughness and edge to him. Players respect him. He started with the Patriots in scouting and also has spent time coaching offense and special teams -- a diverse background that's rare anywhere but in New England, giving him a holistic view of team-building and personnel. It's a matter of readiness. The Cardinals interviewed Flores last year.

Titans OC Matt LaFleur: Here's one more from the McVay tree (which is itself a branch of the Gruden/Shanahan tree), for good measure. LaFleur, 38, was McVay's offensive coordinator last season with the Rams before interviewing for the Titans' head coaching job and landing as OC under Vrabel. He has a sharp mind, knows offense and is getting valuable experience as a first-time play-caller, helping him become a better leader and communicator. This one would be a hard sell right now, with the Titans' offense ranked 30th in both scoring and yards amidst some injury-related challenges. Some who have worked with and like LaFleur feel he would benefit from another year or two of being in charge of the offense under the defensive-minded Vrabel. But if the Titans finish strong, don't be surprised if he gets a look.

Others to watch in coming years: Dolphins DC Matt Burke; Eagles QBs coach Press Taylor; Iowa State coach Matt Campbell; Falcons DC Marquand Manuel; Giants DC James Bettcher; Vikings QBs coach Kevin Stefanski and TEs coach Todd Downing; Lions OC Jim Bob Cooter; Chiefs QBs coach Mike Kafka; Jets OC Jeremy Bates; Packers WR coach David Raih; 49ers QB coach Rich Scangarello, run-game specialist Mike McDaniel and DC Robert Saleh; Cardinals QB coach/interim OC Byron Leftwich; Panthers QB coach Scott Turner.

I highly doubt we go with a retread at HC. I see Dorsey going with a young up and comer, who is willing to put in 18 hour days and has a knack for offense. my .02

Curious, you wont answer, but who has more say in an organization the HC, or the fans as you have tried to blame for the GM firing the HC? Don't worry ill wait.

Not right now .... not right now ...... not right now .....

Of course not right now.

Buddy Boy, how'd you like to reunite with Baker?

This is the kind of thing that makes me hate the press. What else is he going to say?

Let the record show that I called this first, in another thread.

No, but he did aim the gun...

That and Haslam approved it. So he pulled the trigger with permission.

The leader in the Veags odds clubhouse sure is interesting......

No way Sean McVay is coming here from the Rams.....good grief that is crazy. Toub is probably pretty good money to lay a bet on though. I think he is probably at least 50/50 to be our next HC and you can get 800 for betting a dollar?? I might jump on that...lol

800 for betting 100.

Still not a bad bet. He is probably the most realistic hire out of the earlier front runners and apparently him and Dorsey are big friends.

You would bet $100 to win $800. You could win $1k on your $100 bet for Toub now.

The odds just got updated again....

Sashi?

Joe Thomas

How can they expect Sean McVay to be our next head coach? While I would love it, teams don't let the defending coach of the year, who has his team off to an 8-0 start, just walk away. (especially when he's under contract)

I agree with this.

I think that the next head coach has to be an offensive minded guy, because that's where the NFL is heading.

I am also thinking that Riley might be the guy. He is a brilliant offensive mind, and his relationship with Mayfield would probably be a huge attraction on both sides. That assumes that he can be talked into leaving Oklahoma.

He NEEDS TO BE PATIENT ...

Well ... cart before the horse ... haven’t read anything and we prolly don’t know yet ...

ASSuming he is leading the search is 50/50 at best ... Vegas got odds on that yet ... *LOL* ...

More like the FO needs to be patient.

My dream scenario is Williams and his OC and DC do well so we can keep the same offensive and defensive schemes, and the current roster with good additions via the draft and FA.

If we are going the route of a New Head Coach our list should only have three people and none of them are college coaches, and none of them have the name Campbell or Riley.

Our Short list should consist of 3 people:

1. Dave Toub
2 Mike McCarthy(if Green Bay lets him go)
3. Jeff Fischer

Say what you want about Jeff Fischer but he is the 11th all time winningest coach in NFL History with 173 wins. Fischer would be the best coach we have had in Cleveland since Marty Schotenheimer.

Are you tired of losing, if anyone could change the culture here, its Fischer. That Rams roster that is so good was built by Fischer. If Fischer would have been given another year with the Rams, they would have been good.

the silver lining with Fischer is he would keep Greg Williams as Williams was his DC with the Rams and served as a defensive Assistant under Fischer in Tennesee.

I would also be ok with either Dave Toub or Mike McCarthy, either of those guys would be good too.

Neither of those college coaches will be worth a damn. We need a guy like Toub, McCarthy, or Fischer that will come in here day one as a PROVEN and respected winner (Fischer was 6 inches shy of beating the Rams for a Super Bowl title)

Enough with this nonsense. We need to be commited to winning. the Browns are NOT the right fit for the "sexy young coach" like you see with the Rams, the Browns need direction, and that direction is only going to come from a proven guy, a guy like Toub, Fischer, or McCarthy, and you should settle for nothing less if your tired of losing.

McCarthy would be the perfect coach for Mayfield because he is good with QB's, but I myself prefer Fischer, but I could live with Toub or McCarthy too, both solid options.

If you're tired of losing... hire Fischer...?

I just want to make it clear though, I very highly doubt the Browns hire a college coach.

If Dorsey is allowed to hire the coach,then Elliot Wolf, Alonzo Highsmith, and John Dorsey are going to reach into the area they are familiar with...the McCarthy/Reid/Holmgren tree of coaches.

Dave Toub is the front runner day one. Dorsey is familiar with him. He comes off the Reid/Holgren tree, and he is respected. He is the Chiefs Assistant Head Coach, he has a history with Dorsey.

If Dorsey is allowed to hire the coach, I will be surprised if it isn't Dave Toub (even though I want Fischer)

There is not an assistant anywhere in the NFL that has earned and is more deserving of getting a head coaching job then Dave Toub, and Cleveland fans will LOVE this guy. He is everything you want in a head coach.

Yup

Cleveland is a unique situation, and Fischer, Toub, and McCarthy are probably the only 3 guys that could turn this mess around. I don't think any college coach is going to do that.

No one can get you to, and keep you at, 8 wins better than Jeff Fisher.

Jeff Brohm or Lincoln Riley, please.