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https://sportsnaut.com/2018/10/report-baker-mayfield-is-not-going-to-miss-fired-hc-hue-jackson/

Things were obviously boiling over in Cleveland before the Browns’ decision to fire head coach Hue Jackson on Monday. We’ve read the reports of a questionable relationship between Jackson and offensive coordinator Todd Haley.


Losing two games in overtime and being forced into a tie didn’t help matters behind the scenes. Such is the nature of the beast for a team that won three of Jackson’s 40 games as head coach.

Now comes this report that rookie No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield is seemingly happy his now-former head coach got canned. In fact, NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport notes that “Mayfield is not going to exactly miss Hue Jackson.”


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.@RapSheet on NFL Network just now: "From what I hear, Baker Mayfield is not going to exactly miss Hue Jackson" #Browns

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Outside of their poor record and inability to win close games, this could be one of the primary reasons Jackson was fired. He struggled handling then-rookie quarterback DeShone Kizer last season and seemingly didn’t have a great relationship with the future face of the Browns’ franchise.

That type of toxic relationship just can’t continue for a team that has proven itself to be more competitive this season than at any point over the past decade.

Mayfield himself was known as a volatile personality at Oklahoma. Sure he’s been more tight-lipped as a rookie with the Browns, but said personality seemingly clashed with Jackson on the sideline.

The reigning Heisman winner is completing 58.3 percent of his passes with eight touchdowns and six interceptions on the season. He’s probably better off moving forward this year without Jackson in his ear.

He'll have to because that's where the players will be hiding to avoid getting traded to this $#!% show.

They are probably afraid they will join Hue in the unemployment line if they offered their true opinion.

But, just wait............the media will find one member of the team to criticize Hue, and certain "fans" will use it as evidence of how "Hue lost the team."

Anyone who watched Hard Knocks or watched the post game videos or listened to Joe Thomas knew that the players loved and respected Hue. It's a damn shame that the haters won yet again.

Interesting. So Baker threw his HC under the bus. This is the same Baker [along w/his dad] who tried to bury his HC at Texas Tech.

It was interesting to watch Baker's face when Hue brought him over during the Hard Knocks episode and talked about Tyrod showing up early and maybe Baker should do the same. Hue was very gentle. But Baker's body language was like......"how dare you question me..."

Maybe Hue didn't coddle enough to the great Baker Mayfield?

Is it possible people aren't "haters" but that they want results?

There is no way to know the players' true feelings. I'm sure some loved Hue. I'm sure some hated him. But the fact remains, he failed miserably as a HC. He doesn't deserve all the blame, but he sure carries his fair share.

Is it possible for me to answer a direct question from a poster w/out hearing from you?

Yet, Hue got fired. Not because of fans. Because of his record.

That 10 posts to me and zero to everyone else. Please stop stalking? Please?

I'm not sure I see where baker threw him under the bus... he never said anything publically about hue and as kept pretty quiet this season...

We did absolutely nothing with Kizer last year and it's hues job to have a good relationship with baker... baker is the foreseeable future... it's no surprise that Dorsey would choose baker if the two were fighting/.didnt get along...

Why do you keep replying to me? Are you stalking me? I think so.

Same thing with any reality TV: a lot of it is scripted, and even when it is not, people don't exactly forget that they are being recorded. They play up to the camera. In the case of Hard Knocks, the team has final discretion on what gets aired and what doesn't. Add it all up and you're not exactly going to see a player trash a head coach on the show.

I actually have given credit for Hue being able to connect with players. However, that is the only positive I've been able to attribute to him.

I'm willing to hear others... rastan asked this a number of times and never got a serious answer.

I'd take it a step further and ask what exactly it was that Hue did here. That hasn't been clear ever since the "Is Hue Jackson a head coach in name only" article that stirred up a bunch of controversy in the off-season.

Just read this post. So, your position is Baker is a spoiled brat, and Hue is a sacrificial lamb?

Sad on your part.

You responded. I responded. It's a message board. This is how they work. Keep up.

You responded with a complete shot in the dark. I offered a differing side. Apparently you don't like people having differing opinions.

It wasn't about the media or the fan's, it was about Hue and the record......he won 3 games in 2.5 seasons....pretty simple.

Fault always fell at another foot. He fired a lot of coaches in his two years.

LOL at the differing opinions angle. Seriously man..........

Hmmmm.............Baker the Brat. Has a certain ring to it.

Exactly what did the “haters” win?

Yep, Dorsey is on this board and making decisions about what the "haters" want. Thats why he drafted Mayfield, thats why he drafted Ward. Give it a break, you were wrong once again. and now you are trying to make a woe is me post. Hue Jackson was a bum coach. Plain and simple.

Here is Vers post for the day:

wwwwhhhhaaaaaaa they fired my guy
wwwwhhhhaaaaaaa hes motivator of men, winning doenst matter.

I've seen a couple people post hue fired a bunch of coaches... I'm curious how many it actually was and if that's outside of the norm... I didn't feel like he fired a bunch but honestly I don't pay thwt much attention to position coaches...

Says a lot about the HC when they fired him because they didnt want him ruining a brat like he ruined every QB he has coached in Cleveland so far. In fact, he has only had 2 successful QBs in his entire career, and he wasnt even their OC!

I tried to approach it logically, and amicably. You are willing to go way out on a limb to protect Hue at this point, even to the point off ignoring posts or responses to attack people.

You have been saying for weeks that you liked Baker and think he needs to improve yet has impressed you. Suddenly, Hue is fired and a report that him and Hue didn't get along, and you are trashing Baker. Where was your "how dare you question me" Hard Knocks take when it happened? Why is he suddenly "Baker the Brat?"

I said before the news today that there were only two reasons to fire Hue mid season.....

1. Toxic infighting continued

2. Baker

Apparently both of those were an issue if we are to believed what is being reported. I heard rumors last week of Baker not particularly liking Hue, but just figured people were piling on Hue because it was the thing to do at the time. Rap reporting this gives it a little more credence no doubt.

Hue and Todd were destined to fail because Hue is who he has been for three years (constant discord and lack of professionalism) and Haley is a jerk by all accounts. Add in the fact that Haley was kind of thrust upon Hue and in reality it was a matter of time before that relationship soured.

Haslem mentioned “good plan going bad” nonsense, this was a situation that was attenable to begin with....I blame Haslem/the FO for not seein that potential train wreck coming when they made the decision to retain Hue/ hire Haley.

The Baker stuff is interesting but we will never know for sure, and I didn’t see Hue being a problem for his development on the surface this season.

Well, it’s obvious that Baker’s body language was designed to subliminally entrance Dorsey and Haslam to fire Hue. Connect the dots, people!

We'll see how much Brat...errr..........Baker improves w/out Hue in his way.

J/C

Every player on this team, as of today, is a better player simply because Hue Jackson was fired.

Way to avoid backing up anything you say.

I'm convinced you get a huge amount of satisfaction from arguing with people. It's like a hobby for you at this point.

Yes, let's do that.

Sometimes you have to look at the common denominator in situations. Hue didn't get along with the Raiders front office. Didn't get along with the Browns front office under Sashi. Didn't get along with Haley. Baker apparently didn't think much of the guy. Called out Williams for his (very reasonable) critique of our rookie corner's tackling technique. Fired how many assistant coaches over the years again? Got fired by Dorsey, which by my count makes it three out of three front offices that couldn't make it work with the guy.

Heck, I'm normally a pretty reserved, poised guy who doesn't make rash decisions. And he even has me going on over the top rants where respected posters are telling me that I need to back off because I'm just piling on, and they're probably right. I can't imagine what it is like to have to work with the guy every day.

This certainly is not the news I wanted to wake up to this morning. I've always felt that a lot of the problems in Cleveland stemmed from constant turnover in the front office and coaching positions, paired with hiring practices that always seemed to create power-struggles, clashing personalities, and in-house drama that consistently spilled over into the media.

In the face of all this, I felt that Haslam needed to find an established gm to make personnel decisions, including putting together a coaching staff that could work together towards a common goal.

This never seemed to play out in the appropriate manner. We would fire a gm, keep a coach, and force said coaching staff on the gm---or vice-versa. We put business minds in charge of football decision. We moved forward with lame-duck leaders at critical positions. Our hiring processes have doomed multiple administrations from the jump.

We've hit the reset button so many times that its become a joke across the league, and the absurdity has been regularly ridiculed in popular culture.

And this ineptitude has gone on well beyond Haslams tenure as owner....it was here during the Lerner years as well....same mistakes......over.....and over, and over......we all know the story.

At this point, all we can really hope for, is a proper coaching search, having faith in Dorsey to find the right guy, who can then find the right guys to fill out the staff...

At least we have a capable gm and a pretty solid young nucleus to build around.

My biggest fear is that whoever we bring in to coach is going to insist on building the team his way, and jettison the players already here. My biggest hope is that Dorsey can find someone who can take what we already have and continue to build on the small scale of accomplishments that we have accrued...

The team isn’t going to be better this year because Hue got canned man. They might be better moving forward but the next 8 games are going to suck if history is any indicator.

You guys are backing yourselves into corners by saying “every player is better with Hue gone” or “Baker the Brat we are doomed”...lol. Neither is true.....at the end of the day another failed Browns HC got fired. Nothing to rejoice or mourn imo

The main thing is developing the kids and getting the right HC next off season. Unfortunately if Haslem is involved that makes it much less likely we do that.

I do think the players will be better off for this (in many ways, including play on the field), but it's not like an on-off switch.

It has more to do with their long-term development-- getting better coaching in the long-run, having clear expectations set, a direction for the franchise, a healthier work environment, and all that.

I agree that these next 8 games are most likely going to be rough.

I absolutely believe the players will be better with Hue gone.

I dont think Hue jackson was a good football coach. Stats and history back that up. I think GW is absolutely a better coach - albeit for 8 games, than Hue is.

I think that simply not having a guy throwing his coaches and Fo and players under the bus will make the team better.

You are right the main thing is developing Baker and the others, Hue was not doing that, as the team stated. The team has regressed on defense and offense under Hue Jackson.

If you guys think this team suddenly gets better you are in for a major disappointment the next few weeks....lol.

He's justifying his hate.

I dont expect us to win the next two games absolutely not.

But to say we are not better off after firing a guy that coudlnt coach his himself out his trousers to take a pee, is well......almost as bad as sticking up for a guy that has won 3 games in 40 contest.

Hate? Im happy as a clam, we got rid of the worst football coach in NFL history! Overjoyed is the correct term you are looking for.

I don’t expect some miraculous change. I don’t really expect much of a change at all. What I’d like to see is an offensive game plan that plays to whatever strengths the team has. Short passing game, lots of running, play action, whatever.

I think that Jackson is a good coach, but that the pressure and immensity of turning this team around got to him.

This was never the team he hired on to coach. He was told that we would rebuild on the fly, without "tanking".

So what happens? We tear this team down to the level of a college team.

Hue played the good soldier, which earned derision from some posters, but it was obvious that he was in a really tough spot, with players who just couldn't get the job done. Look at what Dorsey thought of the roster. He dumped 2/3 of the players on last year's team, and last year's team was much improved over the prior year's.

Hue's biggest mistake was probably hiring Haley. It is obvious that Haley thought that he should be the head coach, right from the start. That dissension started early, and I think that it eroded a lot of things on offense.

It's over now, and it turns out that this was a wasted year ... again ..... so we start over ..... again.

Big Willie,
I might disagree that Hue was such a bad coach but your statement


That might be the BEST quote on this entire board!! There is NO WAY any supervisor lets this situation get this had in ANY JOB... That is Dorsey's fault. Haley was a known ass and giving him "cart blanche" over the offense, you just fueled him more than needed. BTW - the cleveland offense is ranked 29th, so it needed be to tweaked.

Again, I might give Hue a pass on last year but this situation, like you said was bound to happen.

I see it pretty much the same way.

Haley came from one of the best offenses in the league, and we had hue calling flea flickers in our own endzone. Yeah, i think just about anyone woudl have given Haley carte blanche on the playcalling. In fact, I think he was brought here TO HAVE carte blance on teh playcalling, because the FO knew Hue could not do it.