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Vers is having a rough day. I can't imagine the stress and cognitive dissonance of having to defend one of the most inept head coaches in league history on a day to day basis, for weeks. Give Vers credit, he is a fighter and he was dedicated.

Give him a little time to unwind. We're all fans here and we all want to see the franchise succeed. I think that time will give us more clarity and those still on the fence about this will see it as the necessary decision that it was.

Pile on much?

I’m totally reasonable!

Interesting notion. How much time? Until the end of the year? Next year? Year after? What if we have a losing record next year after a new coach is hired and another infusion of talent? What if we have a losing season the year after that? No. So far, time has not given us clarity because there's never enough time to establish clarity. Or continuity.

Let me clarify my position. One Could reasonably assume that when hiring for any high-level job, that all applicants would be suitably researched. (Be it in business or football.)

The reality is still that even the most vetted person may still prove to be unfit for the job. (The Peter Principle comes to mind.)

Take the NFL draft for example. Is there a lack of vetting there? Those guys are vetted to the pount of exhaustion, and yet, there are many failures when it comes time to perform.

I had actually mentioned the Peter Principle in a couple of my previewed-but-not-submitted posts. It's a valid concept, even at the NFL coaching/front office level.

The draft has some additional uncertainty that you don't see in many other jobs... for example, how young people react to millions of dollars being given to them as a signing bonus. It can be hard to predict.

Different people will obviously get there at different times. We just got the news today so it is fresh in people's minds. We'll see how many people are still upset about this firing come the 2019 training camp.

There was a time where we thought 4 wins in a season was terrible. And well, that is pretty terrible-- a .250 winning percentage.

There aren't a lot of scenarios where many of us are going to miss Hue '.088' Jackson. If we do, God help us.

Totally agree... Dorsey showed he can draft... hope he can pick a head coach... I'm all for continuity but not if that continuity is a continuation of losing... not sure how much more rope yis u give hue... especially with reports of in fighting

The Hue era is behind us. I just wonder, going forward, how much latitude the next regime gets.

What are their records as coaches? asking for a friend.

I don't understand how people don't get this. Continuity is great, unless its continuing to lose. You don't keep it the same just for the sake of not changing. Its insanity.

When was he fired? Or did you mean hired?

He meant Hue.

You knew that, right? Or not?

That does make more sense, but so does "JD was just hired" when talking about continuity, hence my confusion.

Yeah............I can see that.

It's a good question. Every situation is different and it's hard to say exactly from where we are today.

I hate losing yet another coach. I do not blame Hue for the record the last 2 years. He did not have enough talent to work with. This year is the only team he should have been judged on.

I did see a few things this year that was concerning me about his coaching 1) The penalties. Team discipline is on the head coach. 2) The overtime losses. Seems like the offense went very conservative in every overtime. 3) Special Teams. With better special teams play this teams record could easily be 4-3-1 maybe even 5-2-1. I can see good coaches losing 1 game due to special teams but they would quickly fix that issue.

What I question about this decision is How does this really improve the team? How does changing head coach and Offensive Coordinator improve things for Baker Mayfield? I think moving forward with what we had would have been the best option due to continuity. I sure do not want to see another due over.

There is not a single expansion team in NFL history that had a worse record than hue jackson the last two years. In no way shape or form were we worse a team than in 99 talent wise.

We were however, a more poorly coached team.

Chuck Noll
Year 1 - 1-13
Year 2 - 5-9
Year 3 - 6-8
Year 4 - 11-3 - Start of an 8 year playoff run

Tom Landry

Year 1 - 0-11-1
Year 2 - 4-9-1
Year 3 - 5-8-1
Year 4 - 4-10
Year 5 - 5-8-1
Year 6 - 7-7
Year 7 - 10-3 - Start of an 8 year playoff run

Jimmy Johnson

Year 1 - 1-15
Year 2 - 7-9
Year 3 - 11-5 - Start of a 3 year playoff run
Year 6 - 8-8 (new team)
Year 7 - 9-7 - Start of a 3 year playoff run

So what your saying is each of those coaches actually improved and showed they could improve and develop talent...weird.

Also, name a situation within 40 years where a guy has a .088 win percentage and keeps his job.

The game has changed some time since those guys coached.

I'm done. I've had enough of watching this owner and his nonsense. We can't even stay with the same coordinators for 2 seasons. Greg Williams will most likely be gone after this.

When you expect an offense to run with WRs you picked up off the street it's just stupid. I don't think any respectable coaching candidate will even take the Browns HC job seriously when it's obvious we treat coaches like crap due to a crazy Owner who should be the one to be fired for incompetence.

I seriously think Haslam was given ownership to ruin Cleveland football so the team would give up and move. You just can't do this poorly unless it's on purpose.

All this recent turnover made me remember why I skipped watching Hard Knocks. All talk. Same action.
No use getting to know someone that won’t stick around.

Halsam did come from Pittsburgh. I wonder if he bought this team to keep the Browns down and help the Steelers?

I'm not saying anything other than to illustrate Bone's point.

The Unseen Hand of the Illuminati.

That’s better. I’m glad to see you getting your sense of humor back about all this.

A sidepoint if I may. All those coaches were before fre-agency, when it was easier to build a solid consistent team, since you had players throughout their career.

I can't help but wonder if the conspiracy theory goes even deeper. I have read over and over on here about how the NFL hates the Browns and conspires against them. So, I think the NFL put Jimmy in Cleveland to keep the Browns down.

Not only are the Steelers to blame.............the ENTIRE NFL is to blame for our woes.

Fair enough, but my point stands. You are trying to compare WWI with Iraq in they way a war is fought. Apples to oranges.

Information was not readily available for their bosses to have about them like it is today. Their games were not accessible to watch 24.7 at any given notice to be critiqued.

There was no FA, and you could guys. Heck, just the fact of technology says its crazy to compare them.

I think the Browns have the most consistency in one area...

Losing... yep, they are incredibly consistent in doing that.

That is why you get changes... if it is not working, you have to change it...

Grateful Dawg and others love to post charts about the Browns. I wonder if there are any charts that show which teams have fired the most coaches and FO people?

I certainly don't like what's going on but we were moving backwards for whatever reason and something had to be done. Moving forward I have faith in John Dorsey. He has made good hires in the FO and good signings in FA as well as good draft picks. I feel if the football decisions are left to him he will make the right coaching hires and we will move in the right direction and become winners. It will take some time but we are close. JMO

Homes.............I like you and think you are a fair-minded and rational poster.

However, I disagree w/you on this. I think you listening to the guys who used pure speculation to trash Hue. I think the firing will only lead to more personnel changes and set the timetable back.

I'm just reading some thoughts in this thread....

It's a little weird to me that some are upset we fired a coach who won 3 games in 40 tries. Its laughable that some felt we were improving and wanted continuity with Hue. If you're that upset about it, go follow Hue in his crusade. Nothing was ever his fault... SMH.

Some still want to blame the talent. I'll clue you in...as with the the past two seasons we have talent to win more than we've currently won.

I mean how many times do you have to listen to Hue say we need to get so and so more involved only to do nothing the following week. I mean come on. Hue loved the idea of being a HC way more than he knew how to be one. Hue Jackson will go down as one of the worst HC in the history of the NFL. I agree that this was not the time I expected or when it should have occurred, but we should all be ecstatic he's gone.

Those who think we will just fire another HC in a couple years dont really know the recent history of the browns.

Those who think we are going to blow the roster up again dont really understand how this all works. (We won't, btw)

Those who think we are worse off now the rest of this season than we were with Hue don't understand how this works. I'd be willing to bet that we win more games the final 8 games of this season than we did the previous 40.

It boggles the mind that people are actually wishing for continuity with one of the worst head coaches in the history of the game. If you think he got a raw deal, I'm sure you could join Hue somewhere as he's explaining to the world it wasn't his fault. He was abysmal. We weren't going to win with him and the players knew it. We were moving backward.

We can finally move forward. Great times are coming.

I hope you're correct. This year is salvagable (in terms of Baker's development) as long as we can protect him