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Maybe we can agree on one thing.

Once this thread gets locked due to length, please nobody start a new one.

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Can you provide quotes from the said coaches? Thanks.

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Let's trade. I will post a positive quote from an NFL person and you will then post a negative quote from an NFL person. Let's see who runs out first. Okay? And I am not talking about reporters. I am talking about coaches and players. I'll go first.

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Cleveland Browns' Hue Jackson shares mutual respect with Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer
Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson and Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer share a mutual respect from their days as assistants with the Cincinnati Bengals.
Author: Matthew Florjancic
Published: 2:13 PM EDT October 27, 2017
Updated: 2:13 PM EDT October 27, 2017

CLEVELAND -- The bonds formed on a football field are hard to break, and that is not limited to just the players.

Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson and Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer were coordinators together with the Cincinnati Bengals, and the respect runs deep between the two men as they prepare to face off at Twickenham Stadium in London Sunday as part of the 2017 NFL International Series.

“Mike, he is one of my really close friends and I have a lot of respect for him,” Jackson said. “He is one of the best football coaches in pro football in my opinion because he can get guys to play and they played hard. He has a vision for his football team and the way they play on defense is Mike Zimmer style.

“They are really talented, really good football team. I appreciate the things that he says, but I think he knows me extremely well. I don’t like being in the situation I am in and I want to do something about it as fast as I can and we will. We are just not there yet, but we will get there.”
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Zimmer left the Bengals to take over the Vikings ahead of the 2014 season, while Jackson stayed in Cincinnati for another two years before taking the job with the Browns in January of 2016. Despite not sharing the same sideline for four years, the two have remained integral parts of each other’s support systems.

“Hue and I are really close,” Zimmer said in a conference call with the Cleveland media Wednesday. “We have been in the same room a lot of times and been together. He went to my daughter’s wedding. When we are in the same town, we always end up seeing each other.”

For the second consecutive year, the Browns find themselves at 0-7 and firmly in last place in the AFC North Division through the first seven weeks of the season.

Despite the Browns’ struggles over the past two seasons, Zimmer feels Jackson is the man who can turn around the fortunes of a franchise with just two winning seasons (2002, 2007) and one playoff appearance (2002) since returning to the National Football League in 1999.

“Hue is a heck of a football coach,” Zimmer said. “He is tough. He is smart. He is a great competitor.”

Including the 0-7 start to the 2017 season, the Browns are 1-22 since Sashi Brown took over as executive vice president of player personnel on January 3, 2016 and Jackson was hired eight days later.

Over the last three years, the Browns have gone 4-35, and the record has not been much better since Dee and Jimmy Haslam officially purchased the team in October of 2012.

In five seasons under Haslam’s majority ownership, the Browns have posted an NFL-worst 15-56 record. Factoring in the remaining games of the 2012 season after the sale was approved at an NFL Owners Meeting in Chicago, Haslam’s Browns have gone 19-61.

“I know that it is taking him a little bit longer than what he has anticipated, but he is going to get that thing turned around,” Zimmer said. “That is the kind of guy he is. He will never stop or relax until he gets it all right. Really, they are not that far away. They are really good on defense, and they just turn the ball over offensively.”

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How wrong you are. I've said that Sashi was a big part of the problem, was glad he was fired and you know it...and I wanted Hue fired along with him. Don't even insinuate that I said Hue was the sole reason for this crap. I would much rather have seen us string together some wins with Hue at the helm than see him fired because the team was going down the tubes.

Also, you're way off base saying that people think because Hue is gone they're expecting to beat the Chiefs. No one here thinks that, lol. Are you looking for a giddy "gotcha" moment based on false pretenses to let loose with your sour grapes?


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Obviously it's considered very poor form for coaches to call each other out. Players have a vested interest in toeing the line.

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Give me a break. You guys have slayed Hue for over a year. You have belittled anyone who said to give him a chance. The phrase "Hue Honks" became popular. Honks is another word for "blow." How freaking despicable are some of you. Supporting Hue does not mean you want to "honk" him. And furthermore, it's insulting to anyone who is a homosexual. But, that's how you guys roll.

Dude, you are in the mental health field and you are one of the meanest people I've ever come across on this board. That says a lot.

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Let's trade. I will post a positive quote from an NFL person and you will then post a negative quote from an NFL person. Let's see who runs out first. Okay? And I am not talking about reporters. I am talking about coaches and players. I'll go first.

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Cleveland Browns' Hue Jackson shares mutual respect with Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer
Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson and Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer share a mutual respect from their days as assistants with the Cincinnati Bengals.
Author: Matthew Florjancic
Published: 2:13 PM EDT October 27, 2017
Updated: 2:13 PM EDT October 27, 2017

CLEVELAND -- The bonds formed on a football field are hard to break, and that is not limited to just the players.

Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson and Minnesota Vikings coach Mike Zimmer were coordinators together with the Cincinnati Bengals, and the respect runs deep between the two men as they prepare to face off at Twickenham Stadium in London Sunday as part of the 2017 NFL International Series.

“Mike, he is one of my really close friends and I have a lot of respect for him,” Jackson said. “He is one of the best football coaches in pro football in my opinion because he can get guys to play and they played hard. He has a vision for his football team and the way they play on defense is Mike Zimmer style.

“They are really talented, really good football team. I appreciate the things that he says, but I think he knows me extremely well. I don’t like being in the situation I am in and I want to do something about it as fast as I can and we will. We are just not there yet, but we will get there.”
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Zimmer left the Bengals to take over the Vikings ahead of the 2014 season, while Jackson stayed in Cincinnati for another two years before taking the job with the Browns in January of 2016. Despite not sharing the same sideline for four years, the two have remained integral parts of each other’s support systems.

“Hue and I are really close,” Zimmer said in a conference call with the Cleveland media Wednesday. “We have been in the same room a lot of times and been together. He went to my daughter’s wedding. When we are in the same town, we always end up seeing each other.”

For the second consecutive year, the Browns find themselves at 0-7 and firmly in last place in the AFC North Division through the first seven weeks of the season.

Despite the Browns’ struggles over the past two seasons, Zimmer feels Jackson is the man who can turn around the fortunes of a franchise with just two winning seasons (2002, 2007) and one playoff appearance (2002) since returning to the National Football League in 1999.

“Hue is a heck of a football coach,” Zimmer said. “He is tough. He is smart. He is a great competitor.”

Including the 0-7 start to the 2017 season, the Browns are 1-22 since Sashi Brown took over as executive vice president of player personnel on January 3, 2016 and Jackson was hired eight days later.

Over the last three years, the Browns have gone 4-35, and the record has not been much better since Dee and Jimmy Haslam officially purchased the team in October of 2012.

In five seasons under Haslam’s majority ownership, the Browns have posted an NFL-worst 15-56 record. Factoring in the remaining games of the 2012 season after the sale was approved at an NFL Owners Meeting in Chicago, Haslam’s Browns have gone 19-61.

“I know that it is taking him a little bit longer than what he has anticipated, but he is going to get that thing turned around,” Zimmer said. “That is the kind of guy he is. He will never stop or relax until he gets it all right. Really, they are not that far away. They are really good on defense, and they just turn the ball over offensively.”

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...er/95-486605100


Seriously, show me 1 quote of a coach or GM bad mouthing another coach directly. They just don't do it.

These guys are connected, and most I wouldn't post, but Albright has been right way more often than not.

There are plenty of national reporters saying the same thing: Hue Jackson has a history of lying to cover his own ass.

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I'm still waiting for support of the claims made that he "You" Jackson.

Believe me, I have a ton more quotes in support of Hue.

Let's go!

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You did not provide one quote that supported your opinion. Please do so or just back off. I won't pursue it. Just back off. If you don't..........we're going to go. Got it?

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Give me a break. You guys have slayed Hue for over a year. You have belittled anyone who said to give him a chance. The phrase "Hue Honks" became popular. Honks is another word for "blow." How freaking despicable are some of you. Supporting Hue does not mean you want to "honk" him. And furthermore, it's insulting to anyone who is a homosexual. But, that's how you guys roll.

Dude, you are in the mental health field and you are one of the meanest people I've ever come across on this board. That says a lot.


You really just made a jump from Honk to blow to insulting homosexuals? Reach much?

You jump down the throat of anyone who says a bad thing about Hue, and at this point are jumping from thread to thread arguing or posting insults at people.

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What's up? Y'all got nothing. Let me help you. You can google the great Kenny Britt for a quote. Maybe McCourty.

Even though y'all haven't given me squat yet, I will give you another because this is just too unfair:

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Published: Jan. 24, 2018 at 08:15 a.m.
Updated: March 29, 2018 at 08:58 p.m.

Despite winning just one game in two seasons at the helm, Hue Jackson officially has the support of Cleveland Browns players.

So says Joe Thomas in a Sports Illustrated op-ed, in which the All-Pro tackle details why Jackson, who was retained by owner Jimmy Haslam following only the second 0-16 season in NFL history, is not fully to blame for Cleveland's mega-woes and deserves a third shot.

"I'm more excited about the team's direction than I've ever been before in Cleveland," Thomas wrote, "because many people in the building understand what it means to truly tear down a football team and start over."

Thomas asserted that Jackson, upon being hired by a Cleveland experimental brain trust fronted by Sashi Brown and Paul DePodesta, had "no understanding that management was going to trade all their good players and current draft picks for future picks." The tackle explained that it's hard to blame Jackson for their dismal performance "when everyone in the building knew the front office put us in the best position to lose."

"In spite of playing with half a deck of cards," Thomas suggested, "Hue kept the team together, kept the players focused, kept the coaches motivated and continued to develop players through two of the worst seasons ever. I don't think many coaches could do that."
Thomas, who missed nine games this season and who has admitted his future in football is up in the air, had a front-row seat to Jackson's coaching performance, so it's hard not to take him at his word when he says that "this team fought to the end," despite their anemic record suggesting otherwise. The future Hall of Famer anticipated that criticism as well, adding, "As a player who's been around more coaches and GMs than most players and seen different ways of operation, I can look beyond the record."

Turnover in Cleveland seems to come every offseason, and this one was no different. Brown was axed, in favor of former Chiefs GM John Dorsey, who hired Packers executives Eliot Wolf and Alonzo Highsmith to help transport Green Bay's winning culture eastward. The Browns hired former Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley to take play-calling duties away from Jackson and former Bengals OC Ken Zampese to come on as QB coach. With two picks in the first four in the upcoming draft, there is expected to be upheaval at the QB position too, with Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or "insert prospect-of-the-month" usurping DeShone Kizer as Cleveland's starter next season.

Amidst all that, the head coach has stayed put. Jackson, in starting 2018 as Cleveland's H.B.C., will be the first Browns coach to enter a third season at the helm since Romeo Crennel (2005-08); there were four other coaches in between Crennel and Jackson (see if you can name them). That's the type of consistency Cleveland has been lacking at the head coaching position, and the type of consistency Thomas can't wait to see reflected in the Browns' play next season.

"And now we get to the fun part," Thomas concluded. "We got rid of everybody we had that was really good for two years because we knew that we would be ahead of all the other teams in year three or four. We have more than $100 million in cap space; we could sign three Kirk Cousins if we wanted to. We could legitimately add three Hall of Fame players in free agency if they're out there. We have an upcoming No. 1 pick who could transform the roster by himself. You throw an experienced quarterback in the mix and there's nothing that says the Browns can't make the playoffs next year."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ing-hue-jackson

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You did not provide one quote that supported your opinion. Please do so or just back off. I won't pursue it. Just back off. If you don't..........we're going to go. Got it?


I posted a quote from a national reporter. I didn't say anything else.

I'm not "backing off" anything. This is a Hue Jackson thread. I posted a quote about Jackson. Nothing more. Yet here you are, threatening that "we're going to go" whatever that means.

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Give me a break. You guys have slayed Hue for over a year. You have belittled anyone who said to give him a chance. The phrase "Hue Honks" became popular. Honks is another word for "blow." How freaking despicable are some of you. Supporting Hue does not mean you want to "honk" him. And furthermore, it's insulting to anyone who is a homosexual. But, that's how you guys roll.

Dude, you are in the mental health field and you are one of the meanest people I've ever come across on this board. That says a lot.


You really just made a jump from Honk to blow to insulting homosexuals? Reach much?

You jump down the throat of anyone who says a bad thing about Hue, and at this point are jumping from thread to thread arguing or posting insults at people.


I'm insulting people? LOL What the hell are you doing?

I still wanna see those quotes from coaches who call Hue Jackson "You" Jackson.

Here is my guess. There aren't any. I think you knew that, but decided to post that crap anyway, because it furthered your position.

Show me a quote, Cle.

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Here is another one:

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Harbaugh credited Browns Coach Hue Jackson with Flacco’s early career development, as Cleveland’s leader was Baltimore’s quarterbacks coach during the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

“Hue did a great job,” Harbaugh said. “Joe was the third-team quarterback going into training camp and ended up being the guy and did a great job. I think a lot of that had to do with the job that Hue did. Hue was just tremendous.

“A detail coach, tough, had a great relationship with Joe, a great relationship with the guys and with Joe, and really the whole offense and helped tie the whole thing together. I just feel like that is so important to have the right guy mentoring a rookie quarterback. Whether he plays right away or he does not, a lot of that has to do with circumstances as much as anything sometimes, but Hue did a great job for us there. I will be forever grateful to him for the job he did.”

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...se/95-601587586


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Do you understand normal social decorum? Sensible people don't go around publicly trashing their co-workers and peers. Doing so is in very poor taste and could get them blackballed from the league.

How often do you hear coaches trash each other in public? Let me guess, a couple having to do with Jim Harbaugh and other than that, never.

It's a good way for players to end up without a job too.

You are too smart to use such a comical argument.

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Give me a break. You guys have slayed Hue for over a year. You have belittled anyone who said to give him a chance. The phrase "Hue Honks" became popular. Honks is another word for "blow." How freaking despicable are some of you. Supporting Hue does not mean you want to "honk" him. And furthermore, it's insulting to anyone who is a homosexual. But, that's how you guys roll.

Dude, you are in the mental health field and you are one of the meanest people I've ever come across on this board. That says a lot.


You really just made a jump from Honk to blow to insulting homosexuals? Reach much?

You jump down the throat of anyone who says a bad thing about Hue, and at this point are jumping from thread to thread arguing or posting insults at people.


I'm insulting people? LOL What the hell are you doing?

I still wanna see those quotes from coaches who call Hue Jackson "You" Jackson.

Here is my guess. There aren't any. I think you knew that, but decided to post that crap anyway, because it furthered your position.

Show me a quote, Cle.


Show me where I insulted anyone. Please.

I posted a quote from a national reporter. You know as well as I do that coaches won't go on record when saying something like that. It would be career suicide. If it was a quote from some Joe Schmoe, I wouldn't have even posted it. But Albright is pretty respected and doesn't report it without evidence. Adam Schefter say "sources" all day every day, yet it right 99% of the time.

I don't have a "position." Jackson is gone. I rooted for him until he was fired. History shows he wasn't a good HC, but I still watched and cheered the team every Sunday, hoping for things to turn around. I don't even entirely fault Jackson for that, but I don't think he was part of the solution either.

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Here is another one:

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Harbaugh credited Browns Coach Hue Jackson with Flacco’s early career development, as Cleveland’s leader was Baltimore’s quarterbacks coach during the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

“Hue did a great job,” Harbaugh said. “Joe was the third-team quarterback going into training camp and ended up being the guy and did a great job. I think a lot of that had to do with the job that Hue did. Hue was just tremendous.

“A detail coach, tough, had a great relationship with Joe, a great relationship with the guys and with Joe, and really the whole offense and helped tie the whole thing together. I just feel like that is so important to have the right guy mentoring a rookie quarterback. Whether he plays right away or he does not, a lot of that has to do with circumstances as much as anything sometimes, but Hue did a great job for us there. I will be forever grateful to him for the job he did.”

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...se/95-601587586


Y'all wanna stop this fight as a TKO, or you wanna keep takin' a whuppin?


Great. Hue was a good QB coach. I think he was even a good OC. But he is not a good HC. Plenty of coaches are the same way. No shame in that.

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Two more responses that I didn't fully read because neither of you provided a quote to support your argument. I have more quotes from players and coaches that support Hue as a coach. I'll be waiting.

And yeah, I know you guys will continue to deflect and try to make me out to be some kind of bad guy. That's cool. I will continue to stick to facts and not rely on BS media claims.

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Gotta try and keep his lies straight.






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What happens first?

- Browns Super Bowl win
- Hue Jackson gets another full-time (i.e. not interim) head coaching job in the NFL

I'd put my money on the Browns Super Bowl win and I'm not even being facetious.

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What happens first?

- Browns Super Bowl win
- Hue Jackson gets another full-time (i.e. not interim) head coaching job in the NFL

I'd put my money on the Browns Super Bowl win and I'm not even being facetious.



Mike Brown is a thing that exists.

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I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if the Browns re-hired Hue Jackson in a few years. Purp would have to shut the board down.

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I still have not seen any quotes from the coaches who called him "You" Jackson.

I'm saying that is fabricated information.

I do have more positive quotes from players and coaches about Hue, though.

Y'all wanna keep fighting or just stop talking?

Wait, let me guess........you will change the subject a bit in order to trash Hue in another way.

Let me put it to you guys this way. You won! You are awesome. You got a man fired. Congrats. Do you really feel the need to keep piling on his grave?

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What happens first?

- Browns Super Bowl win
- Hue Jackson gets another full-time (i.e. not interim) head coaching job in the NFL

I'd put my money on the Browns Super Bowl win and I'm not even being facetious.



Mike Brown is a thing that exists.


And Hue Haters crapping their pants if Hue becomes Cinci's coach is a thing that exists.

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rolleyes

Like someone else said, none of us got Hue fired. Hue was perfectly capable of doing that on his own.

Do you seriously think the Haslams were perusing these threads figuring out whether or not to fire the guy? Come on man!

I'd rather let the topic die honestly. That said, anything Hue related is a trainwreck, I can't help but to look, and I get sucked right back in.

Give it a little more time and these Hue topics will be all but gone.

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Like Hue, or not like Hue, we've been a big cluster since 99.

Literally, NO ONE, has gotten it right. EVERYONE has been flawed in some way to not be able to get enough wins to be relevant in this league (Romeo was close, but we pushed him out too).

Maybe one day the stars will align.


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Here is an amazing thing...........people want to pretend that all the negative noise in the media, sport's talk radio, and social media has absolutely no influence on the decisions that Jimmy Haslam makes.

Y'all won. You got a man fired. Congrats.

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I still have not seen any quotes from the coaches who called him "You" Jackson.

I'm saying that is fabricated information.

I do have more positive quotes from players and coaches about Hue, though.

Y'all wanna keep fighting or just stop talking?

Wait, let me guess........you will change the subject a bit in order to trash Hue in another way.

Let me put it to you guys this way. You won! You are awesome. You got a man fired. Congrats. Do you really feel the need to keep piling on his grave?


Not 1 person on this message board got Hue fired. People discuss topics on messages boards. Hue Jackson being fired IS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD. Obviously that will be discussed, and include the things that are believed to have caused it. Haslam says it was internal turmoil. These reports and quotes seem to give us some insight of what may have went on.

I'm not saying Albright is right, but his past history leads me to believe that he didn't just make that up.

Also, I think Hue is a good coach. Not a good HC, but a QB coach or even an OC. Hell, he even switched to defense in Baltimore and seemed to do well there. That's impressive, but doesn't change the record as HC.

Also, based on the quotes from Jackson himself today, he does seem to blame others an awful lot. He wanted this QB, or to do this differently, or to run the offense, or to whatever. His reaction to being fired was to blame Sashi Brown and bash Haley, even saying our offense this year is worse than last year with more talent. yet, we are playing a harder schedule and scoring more points this year than last.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Here is an amazing thing...........people want to pretend that all the negative noise in the media, sport's talk radio, and social media has absolutely no influence on the decisions that Jimmy Haslam makes.

Y'all won. You got a man fired. Congrats.

When all is said and done, that man will have been compensated something like $30-$40 million for one of the most inept coaching jobs in league history. He can take some barbs from posters on a small internet forum. He'll be fine.

My loyalty is with the Cleveland Browns, not Hue Jackson, and I think the team is in a better spot going forward than it was four days ago.

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You keep yapping, but you still have not provided one real quote from a coach who has called Hue......."You" Jackson.

I have a ton of quotes on reserve in addition to the one's I have already posted about the respect Hue has in this league.

Will you concede, or are you going to continue in this fruitless pursuit?

Up to you...

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About all of this respect he has in the league: do you think he has enough respect to get another head coaching job?

Quotes are cheap, head coaches are expensive.

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Vers, you ruin every thread. You’re the worst.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
You keep yapping, but you still have not provided one real quote from a coach who has called Hue......."You" Jackson.

I have a ton of quotes on reserve in addition to the one's I have already posted about the respect Hue has in this league.

Will you concede, or are you going to continue in this fruitless pursuit?

Up to you...


Wow, you want to keep up that charade?

What is it again that I'm pursuing? Please enlighten me.

As me and many others have posted, no coach or player will, while still in the league, bash a coach publicly. It would be career suicide. Once in a while it will happen after retirement, but it doesn't happen otherwise.

Your entire existence on this board at this point is to argue and cause problems. That's on you.

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What? Defending a man against character attacks is considered "ruining" a thread?

LOL...........

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Never mind. You were unable to back up your claim. I gave you several opportunities. I provided contrary evidence. You refused to recognize any of them.

I am adding you to the list of guys I will no longer reply to. Have fun.

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