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I think we would carry at least five if not six WR's. That could possibly leave a spot for Perriman but I would also draft more than one guy this draft to compete.
True, but idk if he would be worth the salary to be a 5th or 6th guy when a 5th rd rookie can do that job.


I'm not reading good things regarding WRs in this next draft...one pundit's quote was basically 'If you want offensive playmakers in this draft...well...it's a great year to get a TE'.


There's a few good WRs, but personally I don't see anyone who is a sure first round wr, besides Riley Ridley and a few others. The 2020 wrs are outperforming their '19 counterparts.

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The bad news is that we need one NOW.

I like Willies, but just did not see enough of him. Tall, more catch radius.

I think Devalve is solid, but unspectacular. Dependable, just not much of a threat.

Back to Perriman, what I have seen is that he really seems to be focusing on catching the ball. Brings it in and makes it part of him. Finishes the catch before beginning any other action. Maybe he has been humbled, maybe he is fighting for PT for his first time, maybe he has really seen the light and will re-ignite his failed career here.

Maybe he just got lucky 4-5 times and will soon revert to type and start regularly putting it on the turf.

The good news is that we should see enough of him by season's end to really get a handle on the answer to those questions.

Anybody know his contract, one-year trial or a longer one?

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Anybody know his contract, one-year trial or a longer one?


He's an unrestricted free agent after the season.

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One thing i dont understand is why we dont try to get the ball to seth more. He has proven he can be productive and with dedenses now having to stop jarvis, perryman and njoku and nick C, seth could be open alot
I agree ... He could be an X factor depending on the personnel grouping.
I think much has to do with him being injured throughout TC and even earlier this season, which can negatively effect the confidence of the coaching staff.

He has been seeing some increased snaps now that Hyde was traded, but without many targets.

Belichick had a pretty good run with two receiving TEs' as have other since.

I think that Seth can give us that option.


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Brown of Oklahoma seems to be a Hill type of WR that Dorsey likes - he sort of has Calloway but this kid could be even better...and so what - we got two of them...with Baker a good thing. 4.33 speed and quick! Would benefit from an off season and would be ready his 2nd year in the NFL to turn into a Pro Bowler.

Also I've been very with Jerry Jeudy of Alabama. I don't know if he's eligible for the draft but I think he is one of the most impressive WRs that I've seen this year.


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Looked at some of his footage he should be wide open against Cincinnati
I would throw to him early in the downs so he doesn’t stop drives with his drops
Should have a lot of 2nd and 2 yards to go with cb playing deep because of his speed.

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We have already hit him on a couple of slants. Good pick up jacksondawg... wink


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I am sure a lot of hs problems were joe Flacco because he throws one of the hardest balls in the nfl.
Mayfield contrast put the ball where you want it thus not having to make ball adjustments
I know one thing you better not put 9 people in the box with Perriman out there because I will run him on a70 yard. Crossing pattern .

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Eo, I only know his dropsy rap on his game. We have not used enough crossing, slant, and middle passes like that. I like the idea of hitting those early routes. in a series.

Question: Does he have a double move? Is he a deep threat or a sidecar. We need a legit deep ball or two to bleed folks out the box a bit. Hook Chubb to a wheel route with some of the play action?


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I was at the KC game and I thought that Perriman really looked good.


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I was at the KC game and I thought that Perriman really looked good.


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he's just gotta be used correctly IMO. Looks like Kitchens is doing that better


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Eo, I only know his dropsy rap on his game. We have not used enough crossing, slant, and middle passes like that. I like the idea of hitting those early routes. in a series.

Question: Does he have a double move? Is he a deep threat or a sidecar. We need a legit deep ball or two to bleed folks out the box a bit. Hook Chubb to a wheel route with some of the play action?


1. I remember seeing a low light tape from the media guys (probably NFL NETWORK) on his woes with the Ravens. So when we picked him up I was like AWW MAN! Really this guy.

I that low light film the kid could not catch a ball.

I was pretty shocked at his first catch...as in wow, usually guys with terrible hands will even if caught, bobble the ball like Quincy Morgan use to. Right in his hands...secure and on the run. Then it happened again and again. With his only missed targets being of the Pass Interference NO CALL NATURE that I didn't see as a negative towards him.

As for you Double move request. Look for some more Slants with success...Than what they call a Sluggo which is a double move...SLANT and GO....I believe if done at the right time and right Defense played against us...look for this to be a TD!

Man this would be so GREAT if we picked him up and he is a stud and coming into fruition of his expectations as a first round pick. In typical Dorsey Fashion he is on a roll so it doesn't surprise me...hope his roll does not end!

I said it before that for the first time in our recent history.
Things are just turning up perfect for us. Us getting the overall #1 pick at just the right draft to get ourselves...THE GUY! Picks turning up not just good but well above any expectations. Right now in several of our pick ups. Baker, Ward, Chubb, Avery, Schobert, Harrison and even some FA pickups like Robinson, Landry who is not doing well but his not that well is still better than any FA WR that we picked up in the past! Garrett, Ogbah...Randall!

man hope this roll does not end in a long long time!!!


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Looks like your right Dorsey is beginning to put his stamp on this team

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Looks like your right Dorsey is beginning to put his stamp on this team


A super Hulk sized stamp, at that. wink


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He's looking a lot better than I ever imagined he would after his stint with the Ravens. With Higgina back, and Callaway making progress, we may have the beginnings of a dangerous receiving corps. I'd love us to draft a big, fast, true #1 in the first to round it all out but I have a feeling we'll go DT.


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The first game he drops a coupla,everybody will be singing a different tune.
WR's with bad hands,end up being WR's with bad hands and out of the league.


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Callaway making progress

He is doing much better. I think he will pull thru to become very solid. Just has rookie-itess.


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Originally Posted By: BCbrownie
The first game he drops a coupla,everybody will be singing a different tune.
WR's with bad hands,end up being WR's with bad hands and out of the league.


I tend to agree with you. We'll see how it goes. I do think Baker delivers a very catchable ball.


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Addressing the WR position, OT, and continuing to improve the front 7 is imperative


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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A lot of DT's at the top of this year's class.


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Yeah, that's one area to look


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Thanks for a great answer. We need somebody running them off deep or threatening that since we know bakes has range to do that more than we have. Perriman might be part of growing his passing tree of faves. This would be great for us if he can contribute. Maybe workout with landry. I appreciate the explanations you give.

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DT is about one of the losingest things you can do with a first round pick. The Browns have taught me this.

let's see,

Danny Shelton, did not pan out, (not to added wins)

Courtney Brown, no, (not to added wins)

Phil Taylor did not pan out, (not to added wins)

.. Gerrard Warren, panned out 0.25, 1/4, maybe 2 added wins because he was on the team,

And Warren is the best of the bunch of 1st round wasted picks on DT.

Atyba Rubin, 7th round pick, iirc, just about equal to any or all of the above comparrsion wise one v one.

Just to say, position by position, DT is just about one of the lousiest ways to go with a first round pick,

but? 18 years of losing, is that really enough evidence to determine. Yes.

Am I saying its the taking of the DT that does it?
NO. I'm saying it's the not taking of the offensive skilled position players, but bypassing those in favor of another (no return on investment) Dt pick.

But. Browns, you can't put it past them to "not" make the same mistake more than a dozen times and not learn to try something else.

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Unless you draft the next Aaron Donald

but Ive said it before: the way the NFL is set up, I'd honestly spend FA and the Draft on nothing but offense. Get TONS of weapons, a good line, etc ... make it all about Baker and the O

Who cares about defense? Just rely on turnovers and penalties to get the few stops you'd need (given the fact you have a potent offense) .. AKA ... Kansas City


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If you dd that you would eventually have nobody to play D.


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Unless you draft the next Aaron Donald

but Ive said it before: the way the NFL is set up, I'd honestly spend FA and the Draft on nothing but offense. Get TONS of weapons, a good line, etc ... make it all about Baker and the O

Who cares about defense? Just rely on turnovers and penalties to get the few stops you'd need (given the fact you have a potent offense) .. AKA ... Kansas City


Regular season it might seem like high octane offenses are all the rage and sure fire way to win - 80% of the time come play offs, defenses still win championships. This year will be interesting with KC scoring as many points and TDs as they are - be interesting to see how this plays out.


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Originally Posted By: BCbrownie
The first game he drops a coupla,everybody will be singing a different tune.
WR's with bad hands,end up being WR's with bad hands and out of the league.


I'm not stating that its a done deal. But I'm exclaiming how great it would be picking up somebodies trash and finding out its a fortune antique. I exclaimed how un-bust like has been his hands. As stated usually guys with bad hands will BOBBLE receptions...So far he has been solid with his catches and they have been (as few the data there is) with small windows, with guys draped over him. Granted they were perfect throws and not giving Perriman any time to "THINK" about it as it approached him...just pure reaction. But my point is that the REACTIONS have been positive results and no sign of the negative.

As for a first round investment. Unless a complete stud at a steal falls into our laps, I don't wish for any such investment.

Rather have a 3rd round investment of "Hollywood" Brown come on board.

Hopefully stud LB or OT will be close to our investment during the next draft. WR. We got, Landry, Higgins, Calloway, Duke so that even if Perriman falls from the skies with a splat...we are looking good and this annually proposed "NEED" of a high invested WR just is not matched by Dorsey. We need to build the O around Mayfield and right now OL is not a URGENT NEED but probably best to upgrade and build upon what we got.

Maybe even another TE. Irv Smith Junior??? Better than a first round WR.

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I see that Brown is a mid to late first round expected pick??? so much for 3rd round...lol laugh


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Throw Long... for clarity...
CBrown was a DE. Not DT. If he’d stayed healthy he’d have put up insane numbers. Every time he was on the field healthy he was unstoppable. He would have added wins...alas his health never saw it to fruition.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
If you dd that you would eventually have nobody to play D.


That's entirely not true, because

I remember the year there were almost no draft picks, because they used them all early, and selected a tight end in the 4th for first pick of the draft.

I remember the year Mangini traded the draft away for jets backup players.

I remember getting very little playing time from Justin Gilbert and others around him, Oneil Cousins and some other O Tackle,

So if they can whiff on first rounds and they've survived to what they have currently, then there's no need to,

eventually, they'd still be fine.


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If you dd that you would eventually have nobody to play D.


That's entirely not true, because

I remember the year there were almost no draft picks, because they used them all early, and selected a tight end in the 4th for first pick of the draft.

I remember the year Mangini traded the draft away for jets backup players.

I remember getting very little playing time from Justin Gilbert and others around him, Oneil Cousins and some other O Tackle,

So if they can whiff on first rounds and they've survived to what they have currently, then there's no need to,

eventually, they'd still be fine.



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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
If you dd that you would eventually have nobody to play D.


That's entirely not true, because

I remember the year there were almost no draft picks, because they used them all early, and selected a tight end in the 4th for first pick of the draft.

I remember the year Mangini traded the draft away for jets backup players.

I remember getting very little playing time from Justin Gilbert and others around him, Oneil Cousins and some other O Tackle,

So if they can whiff on first rounds and they've survived to what they have currently, then there's no need to,

eventually, they'd still be fine.



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One that no draft picks and Mangini trading them away were all in the same year. But for some reason I think that was prior to Mangini coming here and had nothing to do with it. Neither the trades nor the picks.

His first draft was with Alex Mack.

2008 was Savage's doing and we took Beau Bell as our first pick a LB in the 4th round. We did have another 4th round pick and did take a TE Martin Rucker.

But as usual your facts on the Browns are way off...btw how did the Bengals draft that year...lol laugh

Oneil Cousins...wrong rival of the Bengals that was a Raven 3rd round pick in that 2008 draft that we only had 4th rounders as our first picks.

We definitely wiffed on many a first and 2nd rounders and is why we remained in the Expansion type of team as far as talent goes.

Courtney Brown DE was actually one of the only GREAT picks by Clark...the kid was in total control of the LOS unfortunately he was built by glass and just sustained one injury after another. He was an excellent talent.

We whiffed but we did not SURVIVE...just ask Clark, Butch, RAC/Savage...
Mangini actually didn't get a chance as Kokinos went AWOL.

HOLMGREN/Heckert who I thought was good until Holmgren micro managed some picks, Tren/Weeden come to mind.

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finally we picked up a bonafide GM in Dorsey and look what we got.

Success in the draft. Baker/Ward/Chubb/Avery/and possibly Corbett in the future.

You cannot survive if you whiff on first and second rounders.

You maintain a constant void of talent and mire yourself into the last spot of the division.

We have finally came out of that shell as we have him pay dirt with our draft!

I know I'm busting your chops about being a Bengals fan but sometimes you ignorance on our team makes me wonder

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