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I still believe we need an upgrade on at least one OT position.

Curious that the year we lose the HOFER LT is the year our OL starts to play better.

Improving by subtraction...

Yeah, we have a better LT now.

I do want to give Greg Robinson props. I have keyed on him a lot and he is playing at damn near Joe Thomas level. Joe however was shutting people down on a knee he could barely bend lol. This was one of the most naturally talented tackles to come out of the draft in the last decade and he was a walking disaster but he has responded to Wiley.

He has the physical gifts to be the best LT we have had but technique and confidence has been seriously lacking. who knows maybe he just needed others to have confidence in him.

The guy has had some terrific blocks in the run game and has steadily improved pass protection.

We've played some pretty weak D's the past few weeks. If Robinson can hold up against the Texans D I'll give you a little credit on your opinion.

Joe played against the best and shined every time. Those are things I haven't seen from Robinson..... yet.

There will never be another JT. But that doesn't mean he can't be as good in his own way or at least very very solid.

This is what happens when your offensive line plays in a dominant fashion. Your QB has time to go through his progressions and find the open target and your RBs gash the defense for nice gains. Its too bad the offensive line has been so bad over these last years...maybe some of those high draft picks QBs wouldn't have washed out.

But I like what I've been seeing these last couple games of course who hasnt

I would like to see more imaginative play calling and continue to spread the offense out more. Really excited to see what acquisitions can be made in the off season on the sidelines, in the booth, and on the field. I've been highly critical of the management group in the past.

Now that they have a "spark" can they turn it into a "fire"?

I hope so. The approach Kitchens has used has made them enthusiastic and pretty much flag-free. I have mentioned it elsewhere before: This chemistry is a prize worth defending and cultivating. This is where some of that new culture will be. I do not want to underestimate it while we cultivate it; and I do not want to jeopardize what it means to upside in wins. We are a bit nastier and chippier. I am loving this growth and winning.

It also helps when the speed of the NFL game slows down for a rookie QB.

A lot of things going on. Baker is comfortable taking the little check down to gain 4 or 5 instead of waiting for 20. That's huge. Kitchens has also given him a number of quick options and put in plenty of screens and swings to slow down the rush.

Game is slowing down for Baker, you can see that with how he moves up and out and still hits with anticipation. Its just that comfort level.


add in the confidence Chubb and Duke are bringing and its everything starting to click at once but it all starts up front and our OL is starting to gel.

https://www.brownszone.com/2018/11/29/le...o-seize-moment/

Left tackle Greg Robinson determined not to blow “third chance,” ready to seize moment

I am just stating what is obvious, we have a better OL without JT...

IMHO, he was the type that didn't make the surrounding cast better. It has always been my position and we are seeing it being validated.

Yet we aren't as good at the LT position.

Why don't you give us some more of your obvious comments on Baker?

Put another notch in Baker's pro column.

Your 23 year old rookie picked up on this and even mentioned in a presser a few weeks ago. He sensed Greg needed some confidence and I think he's been doing things to help in that area.

Impressive.

This is seriously amazing.

Wonder if Rasta thinks we miss Coleman at RT more than we do Joe .... ...

You spelled it wrong. It is oblivious.

Why are you calling Baker to this discussion? This is about our OL.

I've always defended that although JT was a very good player, the line with him never played to the level of the investment we made.

I don't know the reason why, mostly it was in my opinion because the LT position was over rated, but also I think one of the reasons was that JT preferred fishing to playing football.

The facts are that our OL plays much better without him, and that is OBVIOUS.

I don't think the line play has anything to do or not do with Thomas being here or not being here nor is our current set of tackles anywhere near as good as Thomas.

What's actually happening is that you are seeing that LTs don't determine wins and losses. QBs do.

I love Thomas. If I had a son I would want him to grow up and be like Joe. But Joe's greatness just had no impact on wins and losses.

Rasta = Hater

Joe Thomas is a sure fire HoF-er. He was great.

The play of this O-line has nothing to do with JT being over rated (b/c he was not). It has more to do with scheme, continuity and a quarterback that looks to be very good.

I will say it is a pleasant surprise that this line is as good as it has been without JT. but it is not because JT is not playing.

I guess you can try to attribute everyone elses play to JT but that would be silly.
I think it's funny how the entire team has gotten better since Hue is gone but suddenly, somehow, the reason the OL is better just as the rest of the team is, is a JT thing. lmao

Sometimes making players accountable, instilling discipline and and better coaching is the answer to a lot of questions. But then you have to actually be looking for real answers to see it.

I wonder if the hour-long phone call between Kitchens and Lincoln Riley a couple
weeks ago had anything to do with this?

I'm sure they were just exchanging chili recipes.

Dude, quit coming in here to phish around.

LT isn't a position on the field that is going to make the other players on the line better.

QB's can inspire all of the other offensive players. That's about it on offense.

Defense is a little different. Defense plays with more emotion, so you can have individual players inspire others to play better....there have been many...Ray Lewis, Dick Butkus, Bob Lilly, Jack Tatum, Jack Lambert, LT, Merlin Olsen....some were fiery guys, some were soft spoken, but their play inspired no matter how the words came out.

A Lewis or Butkus might come up to a defensive teammate and cuss them up and down and threaten to kick their ass in gear. A Bob Lilly might come up to you and ask if you weren't feeling well today?

Totally different tones, but the message was clear.

I dont blame him anymore bro ...

NO CLUE why ANYONE EVER replies to him ... his dumb crap gets more attention than the actual browns stuff ...

U, pitt and a slew of others moan all the time while CONTINING TO ENGAGE him in convo ... why? ...

It makes no sense ... its like hes got u guys on a string ... he says dumb crap, pulls the string and u menZas reply like dolts ...

Makes no sense to me ...

j/c

so Corbett is out. I hope Tretter is in.

We've elevated OL Kyle Kalis to the active roster

Details » brow.nz/8iIPnl

You sue are funny for a guy who has so many times wrong....

What I'm stating is undisputable, our OL is playing beter now than when we had JT.

That is a fact, another fact is that JT never made a difference.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

Have we given up a sack in the last 3 games. If not, we can check OL as a position of priority in the draft.

Greg Robinson can't be trusted. It might not be as high of a priority as it was a few weeks ago, but it's still a priority.

Prove me wrong then... Its not like we can change the past, the games were played, JT career is over, surely you can make an assessment of it.

Now, we saw it last year and we are seeing it again this year, our OL plays much better without JT, its what I would call addition by subtraction.

And u guys have “serious” discussions with him .. INCREDIBLE ..

It is TRUELY MIND BOGGLING to me why anyone would adress NONSENSE like that and do it regularly while moaning about how dumb his remarks are .... *L* ... makes no sense at all to me ...

He just knows how to push people's buttons. ie..... "If I attack the best QB in the draft that's on our own team, everyone will go nuts and respond. If I attack the best player the Browns have had since 1999, a bona fide HOF LT that all Browns fans love, I'll get attention!"

And we fall for the stupidity of it every time.

Shout out to the OL, I am so proud of our OL right now, I mean I understand that Baker doesn't present himself as a sitting duck and that helps any OL but overall NO SACKS in 3 weeks (Including the Texans) says a lot

It's like a train wreck. Hard to not feed the fire.

I have him on ignore, it's been pretty nice. Helps resist the temptation.