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Texas has two. Lil'Jordan Humphrey 6'-5" and Collin Johnson 6'-6" both are looking pretty good today.

Yep, you are right. And btw........that was one helluva game.

Also, Iowa State has a really, big, tough WR that is intriguing.

I try and watch them when I can because of their coach, but they weren't on today. Thanks for the highlight. I saw him absolutely abuse Oklahoma earlier in the year. Dude is insanely strong.

N’keal Harry had another helluva game, 9 catches,160 yards, 3TD’s.

Iowa St’s guy, Hakeem Butler 6’6” 225 had 5 catches, 164 yards, 2TD’s.

Lil'Jordan Humphrey had 9 for 143 yds and 8 for 159 yds with 3 total TD's in consecutive weeks vs. WVA and Texas Tech. There are some interesting WR prospects this year.

That dude just has freakish size.

What do you know of his football intelligence and route running?
If those marks are high, he is a legitimate target for us in the Draft, I'd think.

Houston has confirmed that star junior DT Ed Oliver, a top 5 prospect for 2019 who has already declared for the upcoming draft, will miss his 4th straight game tomorrow when the Cougars host Tulane in a key AAC West contest. Oliver bruised a knee a month ago and hasn’t played since, plus it does not appear as if there is any set timetable for his return. While the injury is not believed to be that serious and shouldn’t impact his final draft grade, there have been some whispers in the scouting community that Oliver isn’t as big as the 6-2, 290 he’s listed at and that could in fact drop his grade as it isn’t all that big for an interior defender to begin with.

https://gbnreport.com

Did Aaron Donald switch from DT to DE? Just asking because Oliver and he have similar size.

It's not that big for a 3-4 interior linemen but his size is just fine for a 4-3 interior lineman.

I am not worried about his size. He is a dynamic player.... when healthy. That is the issue I have with him. Seems as if he is banged up and out more often than he is on the field.

Greedy William. That is the choice

I would like to get one of the top interior DL players with the first round selection. Oliver, of course, is the best known among them but Quinnen Williams is 1B for me and Gary of Michigan if moved to 3 Tech would be a great get.

I wouldn't be likely to take a WR before round three. I'd look for an OT in round 2. I like Mitch Hyatt of Clemson and I think he could be had in the second round.

My sleeper pick, my second WR pick maybe in round five is Emmanuel Butler

Our needs, as I see them. (in no particular order)

OLB
DT
CB
OT
WR
TE
QB (Just kidding)

Agree on all except maybe TE ...

+1 That Would Be My Choice ... Can You Image That Would Be Our Best Set of Shutdown CB's Since Dixon and Minnefield

I think you don't need shut down corners in todays NFL, because the rules and the way the NFL is setup that they are diminished IMO.

All you need is a decent corner that can make a play or two here or there at key moments.

The way the NFL is setup, you can take the greatest CB in history and put them on the field w/ KC and they are still going to put up 28 or more.

The key is put up 29 and hope you get 1 series where you stop them.

NE has operated that way for YEARS. There def is and has been suspect for a longgggg time. The saints, when they won the SB with Gregg mind you - their def wasn't great or really good imo, they just were able to score a lot and make a play or two when it counted.

That's the way of the league right now.

I would MUCH rather load up on offense before we start using our top picks on Def moving forward.

Really Shutdown CB's are hard to find maybe thats why you think they aren't important and with the rules favoring the offense's it only makes since that if you can double up up these type defenders it would only make you better on defense?

I'd be really pleased if we could get Devon White with our first pick; I just think he's almost a can't miss player. And I haven't been impressed with Kirksey or Collins this year.

In the 2nd, just give me a big, sure-handed target for Baker. I think that's what our offense is really lacking.

See, I disagree a bit. I think there a lot of good corners in the NFL that look less effective simply because of the rules and the way the game is. If you keep a guy to 5 catches for 89 yards and 0 TD, you "shut down" the WR.

I think the corners are just as good as they always have been, they just look less stat wise.

I think with the rules and offense the way it is, there is not such thing as a "shut down" corner anymore. Its "keep this guy under 100 and no more than 1 td" corner.

Watch film on Denzel Ward a rookie shutdown CB ... JMHO

j/c

I watched the Iowa State @ Texas game last night to see Hakeem Butler play. I've seen his highlights and was impressed, but I wanted to see a real game.

He's big and fast with a nice catch radius. He caught every pass within his reach except 1, a crosser thrown above his head. He got both hands on it, but looked like he tried to bring it into his body before he got hit and never got a grip on the ball. I kinda blame that one on the QB. There were also 2 or 3 passes where the pass was to a location 5-10 yards away from where he was. I don't know enough to know if the QB was off, or Butler ran the wrong route, but clearly the QB and Butler were not on the same page on those throws.

My amateur opinion is that he has good hands and great size but may not be the best route runner. He certainly has big play potential.

What did you tink of the Texas WRs? I missed the game but saw Humphrey had about 100 yds and a TD I think.

And an impressive TD it was too. I fast forwarded through most of the Texas possessions, so I really wasn't watching the whole game.

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Arti...ones-124907464/

The announcers kept talking about Lil'Jordan Humphrey, and I was thinking, "why do they keep calling that big guy 'Lil', until I saw that Lil'Jordan is his actual first name.

Gardner Minchew in the 5th round - perfect backup for Baker.

We might be able to cross off a couple of those positions in FA.

With the new additions @OLB ... And Getting kirko back I don't see the situation so dire a need at the top of the list for the next offseason needs.

At least we are not all talking about which QB we will be drafting this coming April.

Strange ... yet refreshing to get back to the nuts and bolts.

I disagree on OLB. I would say that we need 2 OLB, but the minimum is one real impact OLB.

I’d like to see Jake Browning in the 5th to be the backup behind Stanton.

White is my pick as of right now. He does need to learn to use his hands a bit better, but I think that's really being picky, as he does do a solid job of getting off blocks. He could be better here though.

Love his motor. Love his aggressiveness and intensity. Love that he could play any LB spot. Hope we get to love him as a player in Cleveland.

Please no - Colt McCoy part 2.

On D, I'd say we need a potential above-average linebacker and a corner. On O, a big rangy wideout, and maybe draft a lineman we like.

This year, we're not in the running for a top 3 pick (hopefully), so I'll wait until the end of the season - let the dust settle and see where we stand - before I start evaluating the draft possibilities.

Where we end up picking and what we do in the FA market will be critical in evaluating our draft.

I really would love to see a Big Stud OLB like Chip Banks if there is one ...

You do understand that LBers in Williams defense are mostly asked to cover the pass first?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pr...through-week-10

Browns’ Joe Schobert is flying under the radar as the NFL’s top coverage linebacker through Week 10

No defender in the NFL has benefited more from a position switch than Cleveland Browns’ third-year veteran Joe Schobert, as the 2016 fourth-rounder has risen from middle-of-the-pack edge defender to league-leading coverage linebacker in 2018.

The former Wisconsin product played just 18.4% of his defensive snaps off the line of scrimmage in his final two years (2014-15) with the Badgers, as his primary position was formerly edge defender – and a good one, too. Schobert recorded pressure on 29.1% of his 182 pass-rush snaps in his final collegiate season, which led all 281 FBS edge defenders with 150-plus pass-rush snaps in 2015. He also ranked third in pass-rush grade (91.3) among the same group of edge defenders.

Schobert’s success along the edge, however, didn’t follow him to the NFL, as he was tied for 88th in pressure percentage (9.6%) and 108th in overall grade (53.6) across his first 246 defensive snaps in the big leagues, and he lined up along the line of scrimmage on 91.4% of them.

A combination of Schobert’s lackluster rookie campaign and the Browns’ need at linebacker pushed the then second-year linebacker to take his hand off the ground and start off the ball in 2017. And the transition really couldn’t have gone better for both parties.

Schobert finished the 2017 season ranked inside the top-20 in overall grade (68.5) and, perhaps more impressively, 14th in run-defense grade (77.2) among the 57 off-ball linebackers with 600-plus defensive snaps. Despite having to learn the position on the fly, Schobert picked up run defense as if it was second nature. His 44 defensive stops against the run led all linebackers in the NFL a year ago, and his 15 tackles for either a loss or no gain was tied for second.

Of course, good run defenders in the NFL aren’t as valuable as they used to be, and no off-ball linebacker worth their salt only excels against the run. The best linebackers have to cover well, so Schobert’s 58.4 coverage grade wasn’t going to cut it if he was to solidify himself as a household name.

And he’s done just that.

Schobert currently leads all off-ball linebackers with 250-plus defensive snaps in coverage grade (91.3) despite missing three games due to injury. In fact, in his first game back healthy (Week 10), Schobert picked up right where he left off, allowing one reception for two yards from four targets en route to a 90.1 single-game grade.

Adding 33 coverage snaps to his season total against the Atlanta Falcons on Sunday, Schobert now leads the 50 off-ball linebackers with 200-plus coverage snaps in coverage snaps played per reception allowed (34.4), coverage snaps played per target (16.1) and yards allowed per coverage snap (0.22). He also leads the group in passer rating allowed when targeted (49.9), yards allowed per target (3.47) and yards after the catch per reception allowed (2.57).

Put simply, no off-ball linebacker has come close to matching Schobert’s production in coverage, a feat made crazier when considering this is just his second year at the position.

I wouldn't mind getting another linebacker in there but I don't think it's that pressing of a need. Figure there are typically two linebackers on the field in the modern NFL. Pick two of Schobert, Kirksey, Collins, and Avery. Sometimes 3 will be on the field, either in a 4-3 look or with Avery as a situational pass rusher.

The biggest need on defense is probably a DT to pair next to Ogunjobi.

I'm still looking at the bigger investments on the offensive side of the ball.. tackle and receiver, maybe a tight end. I just don't see Njoku as being reliable enough as either a blocker or pass catcher.

You can't dictate when that key moment might be. Is it in the endzone to force a FG try or is it at the other 30 to force a punt?


Good corners are never a bad selection. They open up a lot of options. We just saw last night that scoring 50 points doesn't mean you are going to win.


My thinking is that in a passing league, you better have guys who can cover.


Is it stupid to think that?

Of course it isn't stupid. Having a shutdown corner gives a D all kinds of flexibility, as you more or less stated.

Maybe it's short sighted of me to look at it this way, but I believe one of the easiest ways to see the value of any position in the NFL is to base it on salary structure. Which positions get paid the most? CB's are a very highly paid position.

Here are the top 10 paid LB'ers in the NFL

1. Broncos linebacker Von Miller: $19.1 million
2. Chiefs linebacker Justin Houston: $16.8 million
3. Cardinals linebacker Chandler Jones: $16.5 million
4. Chargers linebacker Melvin Ingram: $16.5 million
5. Rams linebacker Robert Quinn: $14.3 million
6. Packers linebacker Clay Matthews: $13.2 million
7. Browns linebacker Jamie Collins: $12.5 million
8. Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly: $12.4 million
9. Packers linebacker Nick Perry: $12 million
10. Redskins linebacker Ryan Kerrigan: $11.5 million

Here are the top 10 paid CB's in the NFL

1. Redskins cornerback Josh Norman: $15 million
2. Jets cornerback Trumaine Johnson: $14.5 million
3. Vikings cornerback Xavier Rhodes: $14 million
4. Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson: $14 million
5. Bears cornerback Kyle Fuller: $14 million
6. Falcons cornerback Desmond Trufant: $13.8 million
7. Jaguars cornerback A.J. Bouye: $13.5 million
8. Patriots cornerback Stephon Gilmore: $13 million
9. Giants cornerback Janoris Jenkins: $12.5 million
10. Titans cornerback Malcolm Butler $12.2 million

Now we can compare that to say the top 10 paid OT's in the NFL

1. Titans offensive lineman Taylor Lewan: $16 million
2. Giants offensive lineman Nate Solder: $15.5 million
3. Falcons offensive lineman Jake Matthews: $14.5 million
4. Cowboys offensive lineman Zack Martin: $14 million
5. Jaguars offensive lineman Andrew Norwell: $13.3 million
6. Chargers offensive lineman Russell Okung: $13.25 million
7. Redskins offensive lineman Trent Williams: $13.2 million
8. Saints offensive lineman Terron Armstead: $13 million
9. Cowboys offensive lineman Tyron Smith: $12.2 million
10. Packers offensive lineman David Bakhtiari: $12 million
10. Chiefs offensive lineman Eric Fisher: $12 million
10. Bengals offensive lineman Cordy Glenn: $12 million
10. Browns offensive lineman Kevin Zeitler: $12 million

All numbers from overthecap.com

So while it seems the NFL values LB'ers slightly more than CB's, the value of a top LT and a top CB are very similar. Let's face it, an employer doesn't pay people more than they must. The value of a position is placed based on skill set, the rarity of that skill set and the impact the position has on the game.

Your thinking on CB's is spot on and the pay scale proves it.