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Kitchens is making a strong push to stay IMO If he keeps this up he basically has to stay. Except needs to tone down the dumb calls (trick plays, getting baker hit, prevent offense, etc.)
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Kitchens is making a strong push to stay IMO If he keeps this up he basically has to stay. Except needs to tone down the dumb calls (trick plays, getting baker hit, prevent offense, etc.) I don’t know how much the prevent offense is him versus the head coach.
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Kitchens is making a strong push to stay IMO If he keeps this up he basically has to stay. Except needs to tone down the dumb calls (trick plays, getting baker hit, prevent offense, etc.) but... did we win? We can't start complaining about how we are winning games. We are not New England 
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Freddie kitchens for mayor! Seriously though... he calls a solid game and he will be an OC somewhere within a couple seasons.
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Kitchens is making a strong push to stay IMO If he keeps this up he basically has to stay. Except needs to tone down the dumb calls (trick plays, getting baker hit, prevent offense, etc.) but... did we win? We can't start complaining about how we are winning games. We are not New England Always look to improve. I try not to look at it as complaining and more constructive criticism, considering the way we played today has been one of the major reasons we've been losing for 15+ years almost consecutively. Today we had the superior talent to escape, but most good teams just put it away. Maybe we're not there yet so they hedged their bets, I'm fine with that, but I always look to do better!
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Today we had the superior talent to escape, but most good teams just put it away. Maybe we're not there yet so they hedged their bets, I'm fine with that, but I always look to do better! I look at it differently. In years past, we were the ones that were down big and put up a couple garbage scores to pull within a couple scores. Today we ran a picture perfect prevent D, making the bungles use up 2/3 of the 4th quarter, waste a time out and end up with no points on their last drive. We didn't escape, we put up an insurmountable lead and won by 15.
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I mean it's Haslem that runs things. Not Dorsey.
And yet Haslam wanted to keep HUE here but it was Dorsey who demanded that Hue get fired. I think its clear who is running this ship.
jmho I agree. Jimmy is still the boss since he owns the company, but Dorsey is the captain of the ship.
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I think this team is flourishing under Williams, and I’d like to see him be named HC.
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Kitchens is making a strong push to stay IMO If he keeps this up he basically has to stay. Except needs to tone down the dumb calls (trick plays, getting baker hit, prevent offense, etc.) but... did we win? We can't start complaining about how we are winning games. We are not New England Always look to improve. I try not to look at it as complaining and more constructive criticism, considering the way we played today has been one of the major reasons we've been losing for 15+ years almost consecutively. Today we had the superior talent to escape, but most good teams just put it away. Maybe we're not there yet so they hedged their bets, I'm fine with that, but I always look to do better! Wish I could see it like you! What I saw is a team fail to put the dagger in on offense. A couple first downs would've winded it down. I'm not mad at the D. They did great. Just hate to see us Run on 1st/2nd down, throw a lack luster throw or trick play on 3rd then punt. Just doesn't eat up enough time vs continuing to play the O that's been working all game anyways. I'd even be fine with 2 runs and a pass, but try the pass on 1st or 2nd down sometimes, or a high percentage pass so you don't stop the clock. I guess we thought Chubb could get the yards just by pounding it, but never really works out that way.
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Kitchens is making a strong push to stay IMO If he keeps this up he basically has to stay. Except needs to tone down the dumb calls (trick plays, getting baker hit, prevent offense, etc.) but... did we win? We can't start complaining about how we are winning games. We are not New England Always look to improve. I try not to look at it as complaining and more constructive criticism, considering the way we played today has been one of the major reasons we've been losing for 15+ years almost consecutively. Today we had the superior talent to escape, but most good teams just put it away. Maybe we're not there yet so they hedged their bets, I'm fine with that, but I always look to do better! Wish I could see it like you! What I saw is a team fail to put the dagger in on offense. A couple first downs would've winded it down. I'm not mad at the D. They did great. Just hate to see us Run on 1st/2nd down, throw a lack luster throw or trick play on 3rd then punt. Just doesn't eat up enough time vs continuing to play the O that's been working all game anyways. I'd even be fine with 2 runs and a pass, but try the pass on 1st or 2nd down sometimes, or a high percentage pass so you don't stop the clock. I guess we thought Chubb could get the yards just by pounding it, but never really works out that way. Kitchens is learning as well as the team. Now he’ll know more for the next time. As will Williams, if he was the one who called for the conservative scheme. It was a win, and it was a good win, if not perfect.
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Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal. Yeah, reading between the lines I am picking up the same hints.
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Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal.
As of today, Gregg Williams would at the top of the list..but that is subject to change...5 games to go.
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Dorsey will have lots of very good candidates to weed through and given that we aren’t hiring a head coach for just the next couple of years but for the next decade I think it’s safe to say Gregg will not be getting the job. The fact Gregg is interim head coach will carry zero weight. Continuity will mean little to Dorsey at this point and if anything it’s a negative. Why do you say Gregg will not be getting the job? If the team does well over the next 6 games.. I think they'd be damn fools not to give him the job. Have you ever know this team to NOT act like they are run by fools. I mean it's Haslem that runs things. Not Dorsey. If that's true, then let Haslam keep picking the talent, cause he did a fantastic job last year.
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Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal.
As of today, Gregg Williams would at the top of the list..but that is subject to change...5 games to go. Agreed.. I don't think Arians publicly announcing his desire for the Browns head coaching job is doing him any favors, if that is truly what he is going for. Remember Dorsey before the draft... "if you know who I'm going to take, I'm not doing my job", or something to that effect. He has a penchant for secrecy, something that drives some people crazy but is actually really smart (given the job he has, that is.) Arians is a really good coach and did great work in Indy and even Arizona. I'm not sure he'd be a great fit as head coach though I do wonder if he'd be agreeable to something less-- perhaps a (highly compensated) QB coach/offensive consultant, or something along those lines.
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You would think it would be easy for Arians to get Dorsey's phone number, if he already doesn't have it. I don't see the reason for going public with his desire for the job, unless he thinks some fan support will help him. I'm wondering if this will help him with Dorsey or if Dorsey will be turned off by this approach.
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Don't sleep on Williams. He has changed the attitude on the team. Players would rather win than be coddled with false excuses.
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Don't sleep on Williams. He has changed the attitude on the team. Players would rather win than be coddled with false excuses. Absolutely Williams is coaching his way into serious consideration.. or at I would think so. There's still five games to play, including a tough one coming up at Houston. At least the Texans will be coming off a short rest, playing today (Monday night). Sometimes those little breaks can make the difference.
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Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal. Yeah, reading between the lines I am picking up the same hints.  ... I read it .. moved on ... thought ... wait .. what ... went back and sure enough started to *LOL* ... Its awesome when its so subtle u have to do a Joey Triviani to get it ... *LOL* .. YOUR THE BEST BARTENDER EVER!!!!! 
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Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal.
As of today, Gregg Williams would at the top of the list..but that is subject to change...5 games to go. Huh ... u ready to re-think your stance on no one wanting the job yet mac or u need a little more time ... 
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I mean it's Haslem that runs things. Not Dorsey.
And yet Haslam wanted to keep HUE here but it was Dorsey who demanded that Hue get fired. I think its clear who is running this ship.
jmho I agree. Jimmy is still the boss since he owns the company, but Dorsey is the captain of the ship. And Jimmy needs to realize by now, after watching decision after decision of his blow up in his face, that he finally got the Dorsey decision right.. and he needs to go sit on the deck by the pool and let Dorsey captain the ship without interference or pressure.
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And the current staff made a compelling point on Sunday that the answer to our coaching search is already in the building and that no changes need to be made.. made look for a defensive coordinator with some experience... and a special teams coach.. the Bengals kick returns were starting to scare the crap out of me yesterday.
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I mean it's Haslem that runs things. Not Dorsey.
And yet Haslam wanted to keep HUE here but it was Dorsey who demanded that Hue get fired. I think its clear who is running this ship.
jmho I agree. Jimmy is still the boss since he owns the company, but Dorsey is the captain of the ship. And Jimmy needs to realize by now, after watching decision after decision of his blow up in his face, that he finally got the Dorsey decision right.. and he needs to go sit on the deck by the pool and let Dorsey captain the ship without interference or pressure. I agree. Haslam needs to stay out of the way and Let Dorsey run the coaching search.
I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
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I mean it's Haslem that runs things. Not Dorsey.
And yet Haslam wanted to keep HUE here but it was Dorsey who demanded that Hue get fired. I think its clear who is running this ship.
jmho I am sure he will, but the owner is still involved to some degree when a new system for the ship is needed. I'm not worried about it. That happened in total when Haslam wanted to keep Hue and just fire Haley and Dorsey said we needed to fire both. I agree. Jimmy doesn't need to have much say on the new coach. His insistence on keeping Hue for 2.5 years cemented that for me. I agree. Jimmy is still the boss since he owns the company, but Dorsey is the captain of the ship. And Jimmy needs to realize by now, after watching decision after decision of his blow up in his face, that he finally got the Dorsey decision right.. and he needs to go sit on the deck by the pool and let Dorsey captain the ship without interference or pressure.
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Lets see,
Jimmy slick obviously cannot put together a management team at his business but tries to do it in his football team = Result = blows up SEVERAL times by now.
Second, Dorsey hires T.Haley to call plays but T. Haley is not listening to coach and doing things openly against the coach. The only smart thing Dorsey did was fire Hue and Todd. But he was the one that set that up!!
SO I guess we have to hope that Dorsey learned from his mistakes and picks a coach with some experience and who can get along with Kitchens and maybe Gregg = fat chance!!
I like Arians as a coach but he aint going to get along with Gregg!!
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Just clicking.
If we keep trending upward - not just wins, but showing growth and cohesiveness, looking well-oiled - how do we not retain Williams?
Something has to be done about our STs: we can't cover kicks well, and have not done so all season.
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As for Williams becoming the head coach next year?He's in an awesome position as of now.
Why? Any other candidate will sit down with Dorsey and plead their case "Hire me, cause I'll do this, and that" etc.
Williams is undergoing the ultimate 'interview'. Provided things continue as is, he'll be able to say "Look, I took over midway through the season, and this is what happened under MY command."
Now, if the Browns implode over the next 5 games..........well. If they don't? If they manage to get 3 or 4 wins more?
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But you gotta love our return game on punts and kicks. Our STs have been pretty meh.
Let's keep Williams in place. What part of his work is a firing mandate? If Dorsey knows better play and scrappy attitude, and we have gotten chippy, what part of that was unwanted?
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Second, Dorsey hires T.Haley to call plays I thought it was Hues hiring..Maybe Dorsey let Hue make it. Hue Hires Haley is not listening to coach Not sure anyone was..It was pretty obvious watching the Bengals game. The only smart thing Dorsey did was fire Hue and Todd. But he was the one that set that up!! The Only smart thing ? How did he set that up if Hue hired Haley ? SO I guess we have to hope that Dorsey learned from his mistakes What mistakes ? The only mistake made was Jimmy not listening to Dorsey about getting rid of the bum after last season..
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Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal. Yeah, reading between the lines I am picking up the same hints. Amazing what having a franchise QB can do. I like that he said he would keep Kitchens and consider keeping Williams. Not sure Williams would want to go back to being the DC... Still, not sure Arians would be the right guy... They HAVE to get this one right.
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Well Deisle,
Hue hired Haley like Farmer made the decision to draft J. Manziel. Or maybe it was the homeless guy that Haslam was talking too!!..But again, if you think about organizational structures, why would Todd backstab the person who hired him?? Or why did Todd think he was getting the head-coaching job if Hue hired him?? Everything about that situation points to Dorsey hiring Todd and making Hue go along with it.
Yes, Dorsey screwed up!! There is NO SUCCESSFUL MANAGEMENT structure that works when the assistant is told that he has total control of an operation and does not have to listen to the person who is over him!! NONE, PERIOD, point blank! And that is what Dorsey created. If that was not the case, then why did Dorsey fire them both??
Also, if Dorsey is the GM and he saw how things were playing out, why didn't HE step in and get some order to the situation?? That's called leadership!
Dorsey has a history of drafting but not coach hiring or management. So we have to hope Dorsey learns from his mistakes and hires a coach he works well with, motivates his players, can X and O when needed plus possibly work with the O-coord we have on staff now.
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NDC...you do realize that Dorsey has a boss who has the ultimate say on who is hired and who is fired?
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Everything about that situation points to Dorsey hiring Todd and making Hue go along with it. Everything except Hue actually saying he chose to hire Haley.
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As for Williams becoming the head coach next year?He's in an awesome position as of now.
Why? Any other candidate will sit down with Dorsey and plead their case "Hire me, cause I'll do this, and that" etc.
Williams is undergoing the ultimate 'interview'. Provided things continue as is, he'll be able to say "Look, I took over midway through the season, and this is what happened under MY command."
Now, if the Browns implode over the next 5 games..........well. If they don't? If they manage to get 3 or 4 wins more? I agree, and I don't think the number has to be 3 or 4 more wins. A few wins and play well in the others gives Williams a strong footing.
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I agree . Hue is on record that he hired Haley. It was his decision.
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Well Deisle,
Hue hired Haley like Farmer made the decision to draft J. Manziel. Or maybe it was the homeless guy that Haslam was talking too!!..But again, if you think about organizational structures, why would Todd backstab the person who hired him?? Or why did Todd think he was getting the head-coaching job if Hue hired him?? Everything about that situation points to Dorsey hiring Todd and making Hue go along with it.
Yes, Dorsey screwed up!! There is NO SUCCESSFUL MANAGEMENT structure that works when the assistant is told that he has total control of an operation and does not have to listen to the person who is over him!! NONE, PERIOD, point blank! And that is what Dorsey created. If that was not the case, then why did Dorsey fire them both??
Also, if Dorsey is the GM and he saw how things were playing out, why didn't HE step in and get some order to the situation?? That's called leadership!
Dorsey has a history of drafting but not coach hiring or management. So we have to hope Dorsey learns from his mistakes and hires a coach he works well with, motivates his players, can X and O when needed plus possibly work with the O-coord we have on staff now.
I don't buy it DNDC...how you been by the way. Let's suppose what you are saying is correct. Lets just say...if so, Hue clearly went on record that he made the hire. It's in one of his last press conference vids. If he said that but it wasn't true, it shows how weak of mind and spirit the guy really was. Enough on Hue, he now has his gig in Cincy.
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Arians is certainly making a statement that he wants to be the HC. It's unequivocal. Yeah, reading between the lines I am picking up the same hints. Amazing what having a franchise QB can do. I like that he said he would keep Kitchens and consider keeping Williams. Not sure Williams would want to go back to being the DC... Still, not sure Arians would be the right guy... They HAVE to get this one right. GW may not get an offer to be a HC next year, so maybe DC is his only option.
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As for Williams becoming the head coach next year?He's in an awesome position as of now.
Why? Any other candidate will sit down with Dorsey and plead their case "Hire me, cause I'll do this, and that" etc.
Williams is undergoing the ultimate 'interview'. Provided things continue as is, he'll be able to say "Look, I took over midway through the season, and this is what happened under MY command."
Now, if the Browns implode over the next 5 games..........well. If they don't? If they manage to get 3 or 4 wins more? I think if we look competitive in all, and win 2 more - the job is his to lose.
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