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That and Dorsey was there during his time.. He knows what Mcarthey is all about

LOL He can dress up as the Grinch as long as he keeps getting us good players LOL

j/c

JC Tretter: Mike McCarthy would be a good fit as Browns head coach....

My completely uneducated read agrees. We have talked about the evolution of NFL offenses. Evolution sometimes leaves the previously successful behind. The McCarthy situation feels a little like that.

lol. Wow. By any standard of measurement McCarthy is a top five coach in this league. Maybe top three. You want to compare him to Andy Reid? How many Super Bowls has Reid won? To say the NFL has somehow passed McCarthy by just seems silly. He's an excellent play caller who knows what works. And like any play caller, his success is dependent on execution. His recent difficulties weren't formed in a vacuum. You guys are obviously entitled to your opinions, and I won't try to dissuade you from them, but nothing I've seen any of you put forward makes much sense to me at all, particularly given his body of work. I don't know who our HC will be, but I know we could, have, and might do one hell of a lot worse.

All with Aaron Rodgers are QB, no?

The years they were not in the top 10, I bet those were years Aaron Rodgers missed time.....

WE haven't had a QB either. I bet with a good QB, we have a better history of coaching then we do.

Well, the HOF QB and one of the best to have ever played the game actually was undermining him and his "great coaching". I wonder why? That says a lot about the type of coach he is. When you QB is undermining you openly and rolling his eyes and refusing to call your plays, it tells me that that QB doesn't respect you. I would take Aaron Rodgers opinion of McCarthy over yours M-F, sat and Sun for overtime.

also, Tretter his former C I believe said he wouldn't fit here.

I take that as, "nah man, you don't want that mess"

ummm, technically hes not in the league. A top 3 coach usually isn't unemployed. JMO

I'm taking McVay, Belichick, Payton, Tomlin, Reid, Zimmer, and Carroll over McCarthy. And those are the not close ones.

I think you have what Tretter said backwards. According to the following, he thinks McCarthy/Mayfield would be a good match.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2018/12...jc-tretter.html

No, he started with Farve. But what's your point? He had a good QB. So does Belichick, so did Walsh, in fact most NFL winners do.



No, I don't believe that's the case, but look it up if you want. Doesn't mean a thing. Not even sure what your point is. Again, he had a good QB. You seem to think that somehow diminishes his record. It doesn't.



Bet whatever you want. You have no way of knowing that. It's possible, but who knows? Are you contending that a good QB makes any coach great? We certainly know that's not true. Ask all the great QBs who never won a SB.



Yeah, okay. I don't really care what you would do. If you think Rogers undermining McCarthy somehow bolsters your position (whatever that is), fine. I won't argue your opinion. I won't agree with it either.



That's not what he said at all. He said he was a great coach, and a great man, and would fit if he came here. You could actually hear him say it in the video above your post. Now you just seem foolish.



He won't be for long. And you're reaching to bolster your position (again, whatever that is). You'd've been better off leaving this little nugget out altogether. JMO

A McCarthy/Mayfield pairing, would be like eating ghost pepper salsa on melba toast.

Super Bowl winning head coaches in jobs after they won the Super Bowl:

Joe Gibbs (Redskins, 2004-2007): 30-34
Mike Ditka (Saints, 1997-1999): 15-33
Bill Parcells (Patriots, 1993-1996, Jets, 1997-1999, Cowboys, 2003-2006): 176-95
George Seifert (Panthers, 1999-2001): 16-32
Jimmy Johnson (Dolphins, 1996-1999): 36-28
Mike Holmgren (Seahawks, 1999-2008): 86-74
Mike Shanahan (Redskins, 2010-2013): 24-40
Dick Vermeil (Chiefs, 2001-2005): 44-36
Jon Gruden (Raiders, 2018): 2-10

Combined Super Victories for the above years: 0

IMO we have our head coach. Stick with Williams.

This was my thought either. But I figure one day some day a previous winning super bowl HC will win a SB.

Holmgren and Parcells made it back to the super bowl. And I think Vermeil went to the super bowl lost and returned and won.

Someday a coach will probably win a super bowl with a second team. Why not with us?

It takes a lot for a Super Bowl winning coach to get fired. It's basically a lifetime contract if you want it. If he does get fired it probably means something went really, really wrong.

With Baker Mayfield as our QB I don't want someone who lacks innovation and aggressiveness. That's the MO on McCarthy.

That type of logic is fallacy. "It didn't happen before, so it won't happen now." I can never figure out why people use it. Seems self-evidently illogical.

I'd like a younger guy myself but isn't he exactly what most here have been clamoring for for many years?

Not me. I've been wanting a good head coach.

Not a fan of Mike’s .. dont want him ... if we do hire him ... i will hope he can get us the SB he brought to GB ... thats what i will hang my hat on ...

I cant argue with anything u say about the guy ... i just dont want him ... he did not do a good job in GB over the last 3 or 4 years ... many bad decisions like not going for it on 4th and 1 with like 3 mins to go when u ain’t stopped there O in the last 3 series ... that’s STUPID ... and i’m Not a go for it kinda guy ...

His record speaks for itself ... he could have done more .. i’m Gonna call my bud thats a packer fan and knows the game right now ... if hes not at a game he’ll answer and i’ll Get his take ...

Obviously a retread Super Bowl coach can have success. As devicedawg pointed out a couple even made it to the Super Bowl (Holmgren and Parcells). My point was that if a Super Bowl winning coach gets fired it probably means he did something horribly wrong. And if he did something horribly wrong then that probably means he is not a good coach anymore.

Help Wanted: An Offensive Mastermind to Work With a Franchise Quarterback

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What were all the horrible things those coaches you named did wrong? Also, you're making huge assumptions with no basis in fact. Look, I get it, you have your opinion. You don't want him here, fine. But that's all there is to it. You have absolutely no idea if he'd be a good coach here or not. Neither do I. But he is a good coach, his record bears that out. So making it seem as if you have some particular insight beyond that is bulls#!%.

I wouldn't and won't argue with a thing you wrote, (though he did make the playoffs 3 & 4 years ago) and completely respect the way you stated it.

I'm woozy:



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Hire a college head coach and if not that then at the very least a college offensive coordinator (like the Bears did with Mark Helfrich).

By "horribly wrong" I meant got bad. Some of them just retired and then came back.

You tend toward hyperbole.

I tend toward making jokes.

Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? <-- See, that's a joke.

I would be all in on Arians if it weren’t for the health issues. He can’t reliably be with the team for more than a year or two.

I favor Arians because he has has success in multiple places including here and because he WANTS it. He is of the age you know he is going to want to mentor his replacement too so you could finally have continuity as the man lightens his load all while making a his dream come true. It's a powerful motivation.

cfr..Arians is 66 yrs old and has had to deal with migraine headaches dating back to the 1980s and he is a (prostrate) cancer survivor, diagnosed in 2009.

I do believe that Arians might be a good short term choice but if the Browns are looking for a HC for the next 10 yrs, Arians is not our guy.

Researching Arians health history, I came across the following.. link

...(the writer commenting on Arians)..."Yet he must have felt cursed when one of his assistant coaches suffered a rare heart condition on the field during minicamp last June. Quarterbacks coach Freddie Kitchens was helped off the field by Carson Palmer and Drew Stanton when they saw him acting weak.

Kitchens stayed on the field, but a numbness in his leg convinced him to visit the trainers' room. What was thought to be dehydration and later a heart attack was diagnosed as an aortic dissection -- a tear in the inner layer of the aorta -- that needed a specialist to repair.

"It's a miracle he's here," Arians told the Arizona media after Kitchens returned to the team in August. "It's like nothing ever happened. I'm sure (his wife) Ginger doesn't feel that way, but it was a very trying time. Thank goodness he wasnâ&#128;&#153;t too hard-headed."

Coaching takes a toll on ones body and I hope the Browns consider a longterm hire if they can get the right guy.

jc

i want one of the harbaughs.

just my opinion. i think one of those two would be awesome coaching here.

Isn’t Jim is like 1-18 against ranked teams at Michigan, including 1-7 against his main rivals (MSU & OSU). Meaning, he can beat trash but can’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag when the other team is good. No thanks.

well he coached his way to 3 straight nfc title games and a superbowl. maybe the wet paper bag had his number.

Maybe he’s just not cut out for the Big10.

Health concerns aside, I like Arians.

What u see in Jim that u would like him? ...

Jim I would hate, John I wouldn't hate as much. I'm open to just about anyone else. I'm glad none of us are making the call.

Cris Carter Says Packers, Browns In Mix For Harbaugh: "I Got Good Sources Telling Me"
"He likes the quarterback situation" in Cleveland, Carter said.


https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/...rces-telling-me