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I forget who mentioned it above, but an offensive minded head coach vs. a defensive minded head coach is something to consider. If I'm reading that poster's words correctly, the offensive minded head coach might be more inclined to want a bigger share of the offensive play calling, duties, etc. I'm thinking a defensive minded HC would more than likely hire an OC and let him do his thing. I like that possibility better!

Also, many are dismissing Williams, saying that Dorsey will want to hire his guy. If after all the interviews that will be conducted, Williams is hired, then it would just show that Williams IS his guy. Just because Williams is already here, doesn't mean that Dorsey won't decide to hire him at the end of this process.

Isnt Nick Saban a D minded coach? He seems to have pretty good QBs each year.

And didn't Harbaugh have Luck at Standford? He turned out decent. Also, it seems to me your OC and QB coach have more to do with the development of your QB than the HC.

Honestly, I am not a Harbaugh fan, but the guy is a good coach and we could and have done worse.

Don't know why you would be eating crow. Nobody knows who we are going to hire, it's all guesswork at this point.

It certainly is and at this point I don't feel anyone has a really good educated guess. My only exclusion, and it's just an opinion, is Lincoln Riley. He just lacks the experience I think anyone would actually need to be strongly considered a legitimate NFL HC candidate. With only two years actual HC experience it seems doubtful to me anyone would actually jump him up to being an NFL HC.

If two years of head coaching experience excludes Lincoln Riley, then doesn’t it also exclude every coordinator who has not been a head coach? Also, what is the cutoff for having enough experience? If a person is ready to do a job, they are ready regardless of experience.

Actually if you actually think that the systems and recruiting in college verses working within and NFL system are anything similar to each other, Houston we have a problem.

There have been some great NCAA HC's who were highly sought after that fell flat on their faces in the NFL. With far more experience than Riley. We are a destination at this juncture that I think many candidates will find appealing. Out of all the candidates that will be available, I don't think Riley's resume will stack up.

I'm not sure how the working relationship between Dorsey, Wolf and Highsmith was with McCarthy at Green Bay. If their interaction and working relationship was positive, I think McCarthy would be the top candidate.

You were no on Baker.
You were yes on Hue.
And now you're going no on Riley.

You will be 0-3 for the last year on major Browns decisions.

And before you get your panties in a bunch I'm just having a little fun.

My Riley prediction can turn out to be complete bunk, but I'm feeling good about it. 95% Riley, 5% the field.

And something for everyone to consider when thinking of a head coach when you are weighting factors...its probably 70% Baker, 30% everything else.

The key for Riley is whether or not he has a plan, with assistants in mind, or not.

If not, I have a hard time seeing him being a head coach in the NFL this year.

I just want to know where I can get 19:1 on my money by taking the field.

I'm not even greedy.. I'll settle for 10:1

Well he thinks since he has one year of getting a few things right that means something. It's an epidemic.

Good thing there is an interview process and it’s nkt just a resume contest.

He may talk to him, but I'd be surprised if McCarthy was a serious consideration.

I'd be floored if he was the hired as the HC.

To me the best reason to keep Williams is that he may have are longterm solution right here in Freddie and greg Williams kid

I think there is a .08% chance Gregg is named the HC. If anything, it would be Kitchens in order to keep him around long term. Consider this as the reason why....

Yes, resume's mean nothing. Experience means nothing. You're right.

I don't know if I agree totally with this. Even a young OC isn't necessarily "here to stay" if he does well. Look how young a guy like McVay is. On paper, the best way to keep Kitchens is to hire Arians and have Kitches as the HC in waiting. I'm not saying I'm for or against this, but it makes sense if Kitchens is a guy the Browns don't want to lose.

I would agree... that's a very odd premise by Anthony Lima... I don't agree that Kitchens is gone and a young OC hire is here to stay. It's foolishness.

And I said that where?

But isn't Kitchens the young OC candidate? Or am I missing something here?

For better context, he said it with the premise being naming Gregg Williams the HC. The point being, your best shot at retaining Kitchens long term would be to name him HC rather than keeping him as OC next year and risk losing him the following year, assuming the Browns offense exploded and he became a hot candidate.

What a dumb ass question .... please ....

The3re coordinators WHERE? ...

Your BRUTAL at times ... u cant bOIL THIS DOWN TO ONE SIMPLE STATMENT ...

To me u may as well be lying when u pull crap like this ...

MISLEADING QUESTION on its best day ....

to any one who replied to this crap butt question .... ok ... now let me go see who i just peed off ... U DESERVE IT ...

Just as i deserve whatever replies i get ... *L* ...

And that will be one of the most informal interviews EVER ...

He has to be in the mix right now ... if King John had to pick today i would wager my money on it being Mike ...

As you’ve said ... he will go through the process ... who knows where the needle lands ... Mike has some built in trust and there will be no getting to know u period ...

Its gonnabe interesting and fun to watch ...

If we hire Riley ... its gonna be real hard to convince me that wasn’t the thief ... REAL HARD ...

It just makes no sense from any STANDPOINT other than he is an O innovator in college ...

NOTHING ELSE on his resume CHECKS ANY OTHER BOX ...

Good Luck with that one ...

Sig wager on Riley ...

Statments are for losers.

*L* ....

I just said i may have to find a new saying ...

What else u got along those lines? ...

In my best Hue Jackson voice, "Absolutely".

The league is changing and Dorsey seem to be a young thinker. He is in to analytics more than some think. He drafted a couple of QB's who didn't fit the mold as far as size and most people boo hooed as maybe 2nd round picks.

You also have to consider that many NFL teams have traveled to Norman to talk with Riley and pick his brain. They are going for a reason. I have never been to Norman, and it is probably a nice place, but it isn't exactly at the top of many peoples list as a top leisure travel destination.


I am not one who places the NFL on a pedestal and thinks college coaches are minor league coaches compared to NFL coaches. Coaching is coaching. The only difference is in the NFL all of the players who make the team were the top players on their college team.

A good coach can coach in any league.

I took this to mean that if we hire a young OC as our new HC then he would be here to stay.

I don't feel being a HC for two years lends itself to a favorable outcome with analytics.

Don't take me wrong. I am not promoting that. I am just saying he was a QB and understands the position, so it is possible for him to connect with a QB, or more on point, possible for some other coach to connect.

It doesn't have to be a offensive coach. Belicheck has always been on the defensive side. He and Brady seem to be doing just fine.


It's not so much about the head coach and which side of the ball he has more understanding. It's more about the coordinators and position coaches the head coach hires.

Head coach is a little less about actual coaching. It's about the vision he has for the team and then managing the various position group coaches to attain that vision.


Hue was a bad CEO. Bellicheck is a good CEO.

I think all the Riley talk is more because he was Baker's coach and they are tight. I can't see him as a top choice as a NFL HC. Maybe as an OC I could see him an option, but I doubt he would leave OK for that.

I like the connection Freddie has with Baker. I think Baker believes in him, that is huge. Letting Baker continue in the same offense would also be huge IMO.

As for Williams, I want to see what happens for the rest of the year. I'm not all that sold on his defense. His players play hard for him, and the are held accountable, but his defense worries me. Top running teams beat us with ease, while no name RBs have career days against us. It could be personnel, but the scheme leaves huge areas of field empty once the back breaks the line of scrimmage.

That being said, our LBs are slow, and that could be a factor. If the team wins two of the last four, I would have to consider him more for the thought of Kitchens remaining more than his defense.

If Arians would keep both, that would be what I want. Continuity and a good leader at the top. Plus Kitchens and Arians have a history.

If we have to replace the defensive coordinator, I want Schwartz.

I like Bill Schwartz, I like Williams more.


The reality is we need a stud DT, better OLB's, and another corner.

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