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He will be a complete bust as an NFL coach. You cannot just simply out score every team.

I thought Lincoln was an absolute lock? You changing your mind on that.

I don't want McCarthy. I could easily live with John Harbaugh ... no thanks to brother Jim.

In order of preference at this point -

Williams with 2 or 3 more wins this season and continued calmness, discipline, accountability while also giving the team confidence to go out and play.

Arians - for a couple years with a succession plan in place.

John Harbaugh.

I put it at 95% Riley, 5% the field.

That's close to a lock but not entirely.

But I'm banking on Riley not being a status quo guy.

Mr. Khaki pants FTW

I can't help but have this approach of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Yes, we have room to improve on talent, but I don't see how anyone could describe this team as broken. I think most would agree with that.

IMO the biggest set back for us would be to lose GW. Hid defense certainly leaves things to be critical of, but there's a lot to like about what we see on Sundays. I don't know what his personal goals are. I don't know if he'd be ok putting all this work in to the team to finish out the season just to go back to DC (assuming a new HC would keep him). If he was resentful, I'd expect he'd still coach to a high level, but he'd willingly except an offer elsewhere after 2019.

Right now I see a damn good match with GW and Baker. They're aggressive, perform with attitude, Gregg is clearly a student of the concepts of Leadership and Baker (so far) has displayed all the Leadership qualities you would want out of your franchise QB.

We also see a really good relationship between Baker and Freddie. My concern with Freddie is I don't know if he's ready to be a full time OC. I just don't know enough about him. It's one thing too dust off some old formations and to base a game plan off of player's preferences. Clearly it's working for him in spot duty. But does he have an offensive concept or philosophy that can transcend seasons?

I think if this season ends on this upward trajectory, IMO it will be very difficult to justify bringing someone else in as HC.

But than Haslam will Halsam as Haslam Haslams lol

if that were to happen, Williams and Kitchens would be signed to a 5 year contract.

Well, it's not like we're known for our fashion sense in Cleveland... lol

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25461...klahoma-sooners




BEREA, Ohio -- Baker Mayfield won't lobby for Lincoln Riley, but Mayfield believes his former college coach is ready for the NFL.

"Lincoln's been ready," Mayfield said Wednesday as the Browns prepared for Sunday's game against the Carolina Panthers. "Just who he is, how he coaches, the respect level he's had from all of his players. How detailed he is. He's ready. But that's his decision. He's got something special there (at Oklahoma). I don't think anybody's going to blame him if he stays there for the next 20 years."

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The NFL is ready for Lincoln Riley, but is he ready for the NFL?
The Oklahoma coach's offense is in demand in the pros, but as Bob Stoops proved, the Sooners job makes it easy to resist the pull.

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The five QBs selected in the first round -- Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen -- might all start in Week 14.

The Browns and Green Bay Packers both need a coach and though neither team has commented publicly on candidates, Riley is projected to be on both lists. He commented in late October after Hue Jackson was fired that he doesn't have "that itch" to coach in the NFL.

Mayfield played his final season at Oklahoma with Riley as his coach. The two years prior, Riley, 35, was the Sooners' (and Mayfield's) quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator.

"Obviously you guys can take it how you want," Mayfield said. "I have a relationship with Lincoln. It's been great. We had success. But whatever decision is made here I'm going to make the most of it. Obviously there's been a level of comfortability with him in the past that I've had. But whatever happens, happens."


While Baker Mayfield and Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley had success together in the college ranks, Mayfield said Wednesday he won't lobby the Browns to hire his former coach. Nor will he lobby Riley to pursue an NFL job. AP Photo/Sue Ogrocki
Browns general manager John Dorsey has personally scouted the last two Oklahoma games, against West Virginia and Texas. All the teams have NFL prospects -- including West Virginia receivers David Sills and Gary Jennings Jr. -- but if Dorsey is even a little interested in Riley it was wise to see him coach a game in person.

Mayfield said he will not speak to Dorsey about Riley, nor will he try to convince Riley to join the Browns, saying, "It's not my decision."

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But he voiced strong feelings about why Riley could make a transition not many have made.

"Like I said earlier, some of those coaches that are so successful, they have a standard and they live by that standard every day," Mayfield said. "He does it with football, family. He's just a great human being. Wants the best for everybody. Always encouraging."

Mayfield said Riley the person would generate respect in NFL locker rooms.

"You get a locker room full of guys making a lot of money, obviously the egos are going to be there," Mayfield said, "You have to have the respect of guys. You got to be able to get the best out of them even when they ... they're going to get paid regardless. So you got to be able to get the most out of them and demand it just by respect."

Does Riley have the urge to try the NFL?

"I think down the road probably," Mayfield said. "But, like I said, right now I'm not going to speak for him. But he's ready whenever that time comes."

seems to me that either Baker is growing fond of Kitchens and Williams or... be is just avoiding the drama.

I won't discount Toub or Bienemy either IMO

Things have been so bad that I understand not wanting to change things because they seem good right now. We have to think long term and not about things that feel good in the moment.

And now we know one major reason Robert Mays isn't in charge of an NFL team.

Isn't that what KC is doing this year?

And...nobody can state that he will be a bust with any certainty.

This coaching hire will be the next big controversy on this site. The team is improving and the perpetual malcontents will need new fuel to fire their miseries.

And it’s because they don’t have players on defense, not because of scheme. We have players.

KC has an experience NFL head coach. Not a 2 year tender college coach.

Agreed. But we also can't allow 20 yrs of suckage to keep us from recognizing the moment we've arrived on the right path either.

I'm looking forward to see what tone the post season/pre-Draft discussions take. Will we be talking about building a foundation, filling glaring holes, or talking BPA and upgrading positions that are ok but ones we can get/do better? At the moment I think those discussions will be the best subjectively objective indicators that will either validate or redirect us from what we're on now.

Regardless, these are exciting times my friend! The couple of games prior to the Hue/Haley firings started leaving me indifferent and looking for other things to do on Sunday. I'm so glad that's changed.

So you’d think he’d know it’s better if you have a good defense.

Yes they are ... incredibly talented on O and Mahommes is crazy good ...

Its the first week of dec ... talk to me in the middle of January ....

Lets see how this O does during the playoffs ...

So that is a different argument.

I do not understand your logic. Thus team is just turning a corner but you want to blow it all up and start over again.

Jim Harbaugh says he won't leave Michigan for NFL: 'We have big plans here'

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25490...-big-plans-here


noooooooooo

"Blow it all up" is not the same as changing coaches. "Blow it all up" is what Sashi Brown did.

"Want Harbaugh, don't want McCarthy, gotta get Riley." lol, We're so fortunate no one on this board is picking our coach. I'll just happily wait and see who Dorsey picks and hope it works out.

jc

man.....while i agree, its crazy to hear national media guys saying the browns are a better coaching landing spot than the packers.

rodgers has made greenbay toxic.

I'd be shocked if this were actually true. The ownership in Cleveland cannot be trusted. At least with the Packers you know you are going to have support.

i think people really mean that. we have a ton of young talent, a young franchise QB, a great cap position, and a GM who knows what he's doing.

And there was dancing in the streets in Columbus.

I'm relieved there's no chance of that goof coming here.

I'd like to believe that, but I don't believe anything that classless ass says.

Matt Campbell signed an extension with Iowa State.

Extensions can be broken

Keeping a HC with 1 win, and arguing for him against your GM isn’t supportive? Your words confuse me.

Version A:
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Head Coach - Lincoln Riley
Offensive Coordinator - Freddie Kitchens
Defensive Coordinator - Gregg Williams

Version B:
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Head Coach - Bruce Arians
Offensive Coordinator - Freddie Kitchens
Defensive Coordinator - Gregg Williams

Version C:
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Head Coach - Gregg Williams
Offensive Coordinator - Freddie Kitchens
Defensive Coordinator - Gregg Williams\Williams' son

I'm finding it harder, with each passing week, to understand why Version C wouldn't be the choice to make.

I'm also finding it harder and riskier to change what is currently in place. Could you imagine if you switched up the coaching staff and we sucked again? Plus if they got rid of Kitchens it might tick Mayfield off. Mayfield is getting to a point where you should be looking at the football team and saying what can we do most to help this guy. If leave it in place is the answer, then that's the answer.

Don't change it up just to try and prove that some other guys would make it because its your choices (Dorsey) and ego.

The easiest and best answer is don’t change a thing. The offense is humming, the defense is a bit of peak-and-valley, but, it’s Williams The Younger’s first real time as a co-DC. He’s learning on the job.

The STs, I can’t really object to a change there, they are either good, or real not good. Should Amos go? Probably.

So many pieces falling into place for Riley.

Keep the chemistry this team currently has and stay with Williams as Head Coach. Kitchens as O Coordinator and have Williams hire a new D Coordinator that runs his same system.

Then have our quality GM fill the needs of the current team in free agency and draft picks.

Do not change now. There on to something and have experience in the men in charge.

Every new coach wants to hire new coordinator's and they all see quality players contributing to the team that do not fit their scheme. Then it is trade them off and then fill that hole created for no other reason than they do not fit the new scheme.

If the team is running the same schemes in the off season they will be able to work on perfecting the plays instead of learning a new system.

Keep what we have.

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