For example, he battled with coaches in Hard Knocks about giving players days off during training camp because when you don't have them during the season it really hurts, yet makes Callaway play a full game when he clearly needed a break, and the Tyrod situation. It's inconsistent to say the least.
I don't see the conflict at all. The coaching argument was about soft tissue injuries, and guys that have struggled with them before. Hue's taking advice from an analytics crew using Zebra technology to rest certain players with injury histories. The Eagles are highlighting use of the same technology to track Wentz's recovery. e.g. link
The Calloway issue was different. His play/punishment was not done in spite of a history of hamstring issues, etc. It was done to gas him & give him reps, benefitting the team IF he can right the ship. It's one of the smarter moves Hue has made, IMO.
I saw a few of the issues that worry me about Hue come up in the last preseason game...should've intervened in Haley's goalline experimentation; should've pushed for a FG try at end of half. But this playing/resting players is NOT the problem.
I don't know about that. If your going to tinker around the preseason games are the perfect time to do it and see what they players can do.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Yeah, not really critical of it, given that it's preseason. However, these are the sorts of game management issues we should be judging Hue by, starting 9/9. Not all this media-created "soft team"/culture crap.
It's interesting to look back on some of these things.
Originally Posted By: guard dawg
1. Joel Bitonio moved to left tackle, Austin Corbett to left guard
With Shon Coleman failing to seize the job, and would-be challengers Greg Robinson and Desmond Harrison sidelined a week by injuries, it was Jackson who assertively ordered the major position switch of Bitonio, a borderline Pro Bowl guard for four years, to left tackle.
Just a few days earlier, Bitonio downplayed the possibility of moving to tackle. Line coach Bob Wylie termed it “Plan Z.”
Jackson clearly was peeved with Wylie’s comment and asserted, “I make those decisions. Those are none of our coaches’ decisions. Those are mine.”
Was that bluster? Hardly. Joe Thomas, whose retirement created the huge void at left tackle, told me that Jackson was the only one in the building who consistently championed Bitonio as the best possible successor to Thomas.
The move risked weakening two positions. But it also positioned Corbett, the No. 33 overall pick of the draft, in between seasoned veteran linemen Bitonio and center JC Tretter, which greatly aided Corbett’s transition from college tackle to left guard.
The bottom line is that a Bitonio-Corbett pairing at tackle-guard has proved to be the best possible solution to the Thomas retirement. Making the move quickly rather than waiting until the last minute was a bold, genius stroke by Jackson.
I always thought this was one of the stupidest, short-term decisions made by this coaching staff. That said, I hardly emphasized it in the Hue discussions because there were some (revisionist?) accounts that it was Haley's call to move Bitonio to LT. However, this article at the time makes it very clear that Hue was the driving force behind it.
It's hard not to acknowledge that Hue knows how to handle his team after watching the Hard Knock series. He's been very impressive.
Vegas has the Browns over/under at 5.5. I think that is a good number because I've said they should win 5 or 6. Hue has more talent this year, so we'll finally get a good look at whether or not he can coach.
Originally Posted By: Haus
That over/under takes into account many factors, not just the quality of the roster. The number is surely deflated due to the quality of coaching. (It's hard to have much faith in a head coach that is a Josh Lambo field goal away from being 0-32, and has shown remarkably little ability to think on the fly.)
A good coach should be able to challenge for a playoff spot with this roster. Double digit losses would just be completely unacceptable, absent injury luck akin to the 2017 Texans.
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I'm sorry, but I think you are making things up and don't have a clue as to what you are saying.
Pulling up old threads/posts to emberass our fellow dawgs over opinions that were wrong ...
That sounds like a fun game .. ...
If thats what u guys wanna do for “fun” ... u can look back and not mention things for the sole sake of emberasssing posters and still HAVE FUN ... no need to pull the thread up and point out things just to emberass a fellow dawg ...
Its gonna get ugly if thats the new game u guys wanna play ... and before i leave if thats the way were heading ...
I’ll go pull up the draft threads where EVERYONE sans 1 or 2 crapped all over me for saying Ward was our dude ... where were u on that pre-draft? .. would that be FUN to re-visit for u? ...
How many posters WHIFFED completely on that one? ... ALMOST ALL ...
Then i’ll Go pull up the Mack trade thread and see how much all u menZas wanted to LOWBALL Oakland with cause almost NONE OF U HAD ANY CLUE how valuable he is ...
All i heard was ...
Ogbah and a first is WAY TO MUCH ...
Two 1sts is WAY TO MUCH ...
Then we HAVE TO PAY him and hes not worth it and we cant afford him ...
One of my fellow dawgs even said ... “its not like its gonna make them playoff contenders all of a sudden” ... ...
U don’t pass on GENERATIONAL TALENT at almost any position but especially THAT POSITION ...
What u menZas give up for Mack now? ... we’d be having an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLAYOFF CONVO rifght about now, wouldn’ We? ... oh .. and turns out .. AFTER SIGNING HIM ... we’d still be in FINE SHAPE CAP WISE ...
Thats just two off the top of my head ... just like i have A MILLION OPINIONS that have gone wrong so HAVE ALL OF US ...
I got no problem eating crow like i did on the shobert thread ... and i got no problem eating crow on this aspect of Hue ... NONE on either case ...
Just dont understand the need for what device did or what u just did ...
I got a ton of respect for u Haus ... i think u really missed the mark with this one bro ...
With a back up QB I doubt they win any more. Shortly after he was hired their QB got knocked out. I mean I don't want facts to get in the way of the gloating. But sometimes facts matter.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
With a back up QB I doubt they win any more. Shortly after he was hired their QB got knocked out. I mean I don't want facts to get in the way of the gloating. But sometimes facts matter.
I never said anything about their Qb not being hurt. But if I recall, they lost a game before he got hurt, and were getting killed in the game he got hurt. So that's 2 loss' w/ that Qb
I was simply pointing out the reason he posted it, which if you read the meme, is pretty dang funny.
I just keep seeing Hue getting credit for the sucktitude of Marvin Lewis.
It was funny. And Hue failed miserably here. He was given the talent to win with and blew that opportunity. It was time for him to go.
But let's face it, since he's been gone he's been blamed for everything from how many injuries we had to poor drafting. At some point people need to get real.
He was a crappy coach and was fired. At some point people need to move on to how much better we are now. To celebrating the fact we're winning. To pointing out how bright the future is.
At what point do people just move on? Since 1999, for the vast majority of the time we have just plain sucked. It didn't start with Hue but hopefully it ended with him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Pulling up old threads/posts to emberass our fellow dawgs over opinions that were wrong ...
I thought the complaint was that talking about Hue was polluting all of the threads and should be kept in the ones specific to the situation? Now somebody does just that and it's wrong? Some of that stuff is relevant and some of it is just plain funny.
I do agree that posts shouldn't be made just to embarrass another poster.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
You know, I understand why people didn't like Hue. I understand why we're glad he's gone. But let's face it, he's been blamed for everything from the drafts, to injuries, to the toilets being backed up at the stadium.
And the revisionist history on what people said about Hue is hilarious! I don't recall anyone on this board saying he was a great HC. All I've seen is people say he deserved to get a shot with better talent. Hell, even Dorsey felt that way.
But Dorsey is considered to be great around here and those who agreed with Dorsey people try to mock and lie about what they said? Come on man.
I never shed a tear that Hue was fired. He was given the talent and failed miserably. But that's not what you'll hear from the gloaters around here.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Can't say I bumped the Schobert thread to embarrass other posters. That's not why I'm here and not what I do...
I really don't care what other posters opinions were of Joe Schobert. I actually didn't even post in the thread until I just bumped it. The bottom line for me was that he is our Mayfield of the defense. Both Schobert and Mayfield were walk-ons who were drafted by the Browns. Both are stars (in my opinion). I didn't call out any specific poster's opinions on Schobert. If people still don't like Schobert or think he's good, that's fine. They may be right.
On the flip side, if I state an opinion and you call me names and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about... and then it turns out I did know and I was right, you can bet your behind I'll let you know about it. And that's sorta the premise behind the Mayfield quotes I regurgitated... it wasn't as much about me being right as much as it was about someone making fun of or insulting an opinion.
I have been wrong before... I was wrong on Johnny. Wrong on Corey Coleman. Wrong about firing Hue (when he should have been fired instead of Sashi). I might be wrong about McCarthy being Dorsey's top HC choice... We've all been wrong. It's not about that...at least not for me.
And the revisionist history on what people said about Hue is hilarious! I don't recall anyone on this board saying he was a great HC. All I've seen is people say he deserved to get a shot with better talent. Hell, even Dorsey felt that way.
Oh one person did. Go to the HardKnock threads, it is evident who said he was.
But let's face it, since he's been gone he's been blamed for everything from how many injuries we had to poor drafting. At some point people need to get real.
Since he's been fired, my acne has cleared up and my teeth are whiter. It's pretty clear what the problem here was
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
BTW ... if u think this thread was pulled up to keep the Hue crap in one thread ... OH VEY ... ...
MOTIVES dawg MOTIVES ...
To be fair DD, there was a poster on this board who CONSTANTLY screamed at others saying "you don't know what your talking about" "your just Hue haters" "hes a leader of men" etc etc.
You disagreed as well at the time, but were at least respectful about it and didn't berate others for having a different opinion about him. Other(s), not so much.
When you berate someone, and are proven wrong, expect to be called out on it.
Pulling up old threads/posts to emberass our fellow dawgs over opinions that were wrong ...
That sounds like a fun game .. ...
If thats what u guys wanna do for “fun” ... u can look back and not mention things for the sole sake of emberasssing posters and still HAVE FUN ... no need to pull the thread up and point out things just to emberass a fellow dawg ...
Its gonna get ugly if thats the new game u guys wanna play ... and before i leave if thats the way were heading ...
I’ll go pull up the draft threads where EVERYONE sans 1 or 2 crapped all over me for saying Ward was our dude ... where were u on that pre-draft? .. would that be FUN to re-visit for u? ...
How many posters WHIFFED completely on that one? ... ALMOST ALL ...
Then i’ll Go pull up the Mack trade thread and see how much all u menZas wanted to LOWBALL Oakland with cause almost NONE OF U HAD ANY CLUE how valuable he is ...
All i heard was ...
Ogbah and a first is WAY TO MUCH ...
Two 1sts is WAY TO MUCH ...
Then we HAVE TO PAY him and hes not worth it and we cant afford him ...
One of my fellow dawgs even said ... “its not like its gonna make them playoff contenders all of a sudden” ... ...
U don’t pass on GENERATIONAL TALENT at almost any position but especially THAT POSITION ...
What u menZas give up for Mack now? ... we’d be having an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLAYOFF CONVO rifght about now, wouldn’ We? ... oh .. and turns out .. AFTER SIGNING HIM ... we’d still be in FINE SHAPE CAP WISE ...
Thats just two off the top of my head ... just like i have A MILLION OPINIONS that have gone wrong so HAVE ALL OF US ...
I got no problem eating crow like i did on the shobert thread ... and i got no problem eating crow on this aspect of Hue ... NONE on either case ...
Just dont understand the need for what device did or what u just did ...
I got a ton of respect for u Haus ... i think u really missed the mark with this one bro ...
I bumped the thread because it was obvious we needed somewhere to put the Hue discussion. It was carrying over into too many other threads. So either bump an old one (I found this one while searching for something unrelated, and thought the bit about the LT situation was relevant) or start a new one.
Heck, once the Bengals game comes up again, maybe there will be a new thread to compare the Bengals pre- and post- Hue Jackson. Not that I would encourage such a thing.
I wasn't trying to embarrass anyone. I've done that once or twice recently and now wish I hadn't. I know Vers is a friendly guy and wouldn't mind a little banter.
Personally, and I know some will disagree with this, but I think the Hue defenders deserve a little good-natured ribbing. You have to admit, it is pretty funny to look back on.
As far as the draft.. the best general managers in the league miss themselves, even on first and second round picks. It's a hard business to be in with a lot of luck and volatility. It's hard to project how players will adapt to the next level, how they will deal with their newfound fame and fortune, and all that. Sometimes there are just unlucky breaks, injuries, and that kind of thing.
Hey, I completely whiffed on how the top of the draft would go. Picks 1, 2, and even 4 were all somewhat shocking in their own way. Happens to the best of us. Putting our chips on a 1-31 coach on the other hand...
BTW ... if u think this thread was pulled up to keep the Hue crap in one thread ... OH VEY ... ...
MOTIVES dawg MOTIVES ...
To be fair DD, there was a poster on this board who CONSTANTLY screamed at others saying "you don't know what your talking about" "your just Hue haters" "hes a leader of men" etc etc.
You disagreed as well at the time, but were at least respectful about it and didn't berate others for having a different opinion about him. Other(s), not so much.
When you berate someone, and are proven wrong, expect to be called out on it.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Pulling up old threads/posts to emberass our fellow dawgs over opinions that were wrong ...
I thought the complaint was that talking about Hue was polluting all of the threads and should be kept in the ones specific to the situation? Now somebody does just that and it's wrong? Some of that stuff is relevant and some of it is just plain funny.
I do agree that posts shouldn't be made just to embarrass another poster.
I agree. When you state an opinion, and just happen to be wrong, that's one thing. When you are borderline belligerent to others about your opinion being right, and you turn out to be wrong ... well then you deserve to have your opinion served right back up to you on a healthy plate of crow.
That's why I reposted the Baker draft thread. I can get people being disappointed in drafting Baker cause he wasn't the guy they wanted, but people were calling the draft a disaster, calling for Dorsey to be fired immediately, etc.
And the revisionist history on what people said about Hue is hilarious! I don't recall anyone on this board saying he was a great HC. All I've seen is people say he deserved to get a shot with better talent. Hell, even Dorsey felt that way.
Oh one person did. Go to the HardKnock threads, it is evident who said he was.
So all of this is about one poster? lmao
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
And the revisionist history on what people said about Hue is hilarious! I don't recall anyone on this board saying he was a great HC. All I've seen is people say he deserved to get a shot with better talent. Hell, even Dorsey felt that way.
Oh one person did. Go to the HardKnock threads, it is evident who said he was.
So all of this is about one poster? lmao
You would have to ask the person that reposted to the thread. I was just contributing my .02
In my defense though, as you can see from various post already - it was some nasty things sprayed at people from said poster. Crow deserved, crow served, IMO.
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