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I don't believe I said illegals are bad people. Did I?

I see you have a bias.

At what point does 'illegal' become 'legal' for you?

I have a friend that did something illegal. Thus, he was illegal. Is that right?

I'll put my cards on the table.

Deporting 10.7 million people isn't going to happen. I don't see it happening.

Deporting every illegal would be a bad idea because it would break up many families and devastate entire communities. Nothing good comes from a young kid watching his father or mother get deported.

In the news, we'd be seen as the most heartless country on Earth. I don't think as people, we could stomach it as a nation.

And honestly, I'm happy for that.


But I am for stronger border security. Cracking down on employers of illegals and regulating it. Most important, I want to know everyone who is in our country. We don't need rapists/drug dealers/etc. in our nation.

Clearly we have an issue. I'd like to fix that issue.


I've explained it before on here, and many of my analogies come from ships. When we have a leak on a ship, we figure out how to plug the hole. That's the most important thing. After that, we assess the situation that we're in and go from there.

I'd like to stop the inflow of undocumented immigrants and make a realistic path toward citizenship of those that qualify in a reasonable way.

That's what makes the most sense to me.

I did not quote OCD. I quoted the illegal alien who worked for President Trump.

Why do you feel the need to lie?

Don't waste your time Petey. You and I see them as people, but the Arches - Vambos - 40s - Days - Rileys - etc. of the world only see them as the other. I know who I would 'export' given the chance.

Illegal is Illegal, do it the right way Great! First act here is breaking the law...criminals break the law.

I'm all for helping people who ask and are in genuine need but come in demanding and breaking the law shame on you.

NO YOU ARE NOT, STOP LYING.

And it's 'undocumented' not 'illegal', 'illegal' is a term used to whip up the racists, you are not racist are you?

Left's playbook

1. Accuse Racism

2. Deny your right to speak

3. Using the mob mentality

4. Play the victim

5. Appeal to authority fallacy

You didn't answer the question. You drag this old ass thing out every time you get uncomfortable like it's your safe space. We all know it's your go to defense mechanism. It was sad the first time you tried to use it, now it's just pathetic; I imagine you whole life is that way most days.

What question? You are trying to make an accusation it's tiresome. When you have nothing you accuse RACISM just pathetic.

Educating you is not an accusation:

"And it's 'undocumented' not 'illegal', 'illegal' is a term used to whip up the racists, you are not racist are you?"

They are criminals if they come in ILLEGALLY, would a person who comes into your home uninvited through your window be undocumented or criminal?

Were the people of Tijuana RACIST for not wanting the caravan there?

Why do you hate white people?

Apparently if you google "are illegal immigrants all criminals" - you get a lot of feedback explaining that your statement is factually incorrect.

Try it - edumacate yurself.

Illegal means they broke the LAW.

edumacate yurself

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44830142

Then there is a bunch of stuff that debunks the myth that increasing immigration increases criminal activity and that all these non-whites and non-americans are rapists and criminals...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622540331/fact-check-trump-illegal-immigration-and-crime

"" Legal experts say unlawful presence in the US by itself is not a crime in most cases. It is, however, a civil violation that puts the person at risk of being deported, a lengthy process ""

I know reading a wide range of sources of information might cause a conflict for some of your deep seated biases .... but try it sometime.

Where are Trump's '10 terrorists' who were busted at the border?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-ten-terrorists-busted-border-004709585.html

WASHINGTON — In one of the more eye-popping comments in his unusual and heated Oval Office exchange with Democratic congressional leaders on Tuesday, President Trump seemingly suggested that “10 terrorists” were recently apprehended trying to enter the country. However, when pressed about the president’s comments, officials could not provide evidence of any such apprehension.

The president sparred with Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi for over 10 minutes in full view of reporters and press pool cameras. During the exchange, Trump said he is willing to shut down the government if Democrats don’t appropriate funding for his proposal to provide $5 billion for a wall along the Mexico border next year. Democrats have said Trump should accept a stopgap measure that would provide $1.3 billion for border fencing and barriers in 2019, which is the same amount Congress authorized for this year. If the two sides do not agree on a budget, parts of the federal government will shut down at the end of next week.


Trump shared the dramatic story of terrorists being apprehended as he argued for the wall.

“People are pouring into our country, including terrorists. We have terrorists. We caught 10 terrorists over the last very short period of time. Ten. These are very serious people,” Trump said. “Our border agents, all of our law enforcement has been incredible what they’ve done. But we caught 10 terrorists. These are people that were looking to do harm.”

Trump followed up his claim about the terrorists by declaring “we need the wall.”

Yahoo News reached out to Customs and Border Protection to ask for details about the 10 terrorists Trump referred to. A spokesperson for the CBP pointed to comments made by an unnamed Department of Homeland Security official in a fact sheet that was distributed by the White House on Tuesday.

“On average last year, DHS prevented 10 individuals tied to terror — known or suspected terrorists — each day from traveling or attempting to travel to the United States. These are individuals that hit against U.S. terror watchlists. This is in addition to the 17,000 criminals and 3,000 special interest aliens that CBP apprehended at the border last year,” the statement said.

However, this statistic is far different from the recent terrorism bust Trump described in the Oval Office. There are more than 1 million people on U.S. terror watchlists. This includes people suspected of having links to terrorism and some cases of mistaken identity. On some occasions, people are prevented from entering the country simply because their name and birthdate is similar to someone who is on the list.

CBP referred Yahoo News to the White House for further questions about Trump’s claim. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

Contractors work to reinforce a section of the U.S. border wall between San Diego and Tijuana, where scores of Central American migrants have crossed illegally in recent weeks. (Photo: Rebecca Blackwell/AP)
Contractors work to reinforce a section of the U.S. border wall between San Diego and Tijuana, where scores of Central American migrants have crossed illegally in recent weeks. (Photo: Rebecca Blackwell/AP)
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Trump has previously made assertions about terrorism threats at the border that were not backed up by evidence. In October, as he railed against a caravan of migrants who were headed from Central America to the United States, Trump claimed the group included “unknown Middle Easterners” who were “mixed in.” But, when pressed, no government agency provided evidence to substantiate that claim.

On Tuesday, hours before Trump’s Oval Office meeting with Democratic leaders, the Washington Post published an article announcing that its fact checkers had come up with a new rating to designate false claims that “have been repeated more than 20 times.” Trump’s assertions about the border wall were among the first claims to earn this new “Bottomless Pinocchio” rating from the paper.

The border wall was Trump’s signature campaign promise during his 2016 White House bid, and he has repeatedly insisted that Mexico would pay for it, even as construction had already begun with only U.S. funding.

Schumer pointed to the Post’s assessment of Trump’s claims as he answered the president.

“We have a lot of disagreements here. The Washington Post today gave you a whole lot of Pinocchios because they say you constantly misstate how much the wall is — how much of the wall is built and how much is there,” Schumer said.

Trump responded to the Senate Democratic leader with a laugh.

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Trump is the kind of person who will tell the truth, then lie about telling the truth.

Look up unlawful on google...


Definition of unlawful. 1 : not lawful : illegal. 2 : not morally right or conventional.

Go on, try reading just a few more words of the SAME sentence.

Unlawful | Definition of Unlawful by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unlawful


Definition of unlawful. 1 : not lawful : illegal. 2 : not morally right or conventional.


Unlawful | Define Unlawful at Dictionary.com
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/unlawful


adjective. Not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules. 'the use of unlawful violence' 'they claimed the ban was unlawful' 'Mr Masciantonio was acting in an unlawful way when he had a fight with the deceased.'


UNLAWFUL | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/unlawful


Unlawful definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/unlawful

Unlawful definition: If something is unlawful , the law does not allow you to do it. | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples.
What is UNLAWFUL? definition of UNLAWFUL (Black's Law Dictionary)
https://thelawdictionary.org/unlawful/

Definition of UNLAWFUL: That which is contrary to law. “Unlawful” and “illegal” are frequently used as synonymous terms, but, in the proper sense of the word, ...
unlawful - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/unlawful

not conforming to legality, moral law, or social convention.

Studies show that 78% of drivers have driven over the speed limit.

That is unlawful & illegal. By your definition they are all criminals. The illegals will fit right in.

In all fairness, 1st) I don't think you have any idea as to how difficult it is to get into this country, to get a green card/work visa, and to become a citizen.

Nor do I think you have any idea of some of the situations that some of these people are coming from.

You're looking at things from one side, and you're judging people based on that.



Show some compassion. You might think they can't be here. You might think that they shouldn't be allowed in here. That's fair. But at least discuss the people with some respect.

Children who came here when they were two years old and had Visas that expired are NOT criminals. There's plenty of other examples that could be put in place from there. It's okay to say that they can't stay here, but stigmatizing people as criminals is wrong.

These people are not coming into this country with malicious criminal intent. They're doing what most of us would be doing in their situation. Trying to create a better life for themselves and their families.

In the end, as a world, people have a lot more in common than differences. Religion/location doesn't change the fact that most people want a happy quiet life to safely raise a family that has a chance at success. That dream of your children doing better than you is not exclusive to the United States. That's a world-wide thing. It's human nature

You are talking and laughing out of both sides of your mouth... Nothing new I guess ... My link and quote said legal experts said being in the country illegal did not make them criminals. You want to say all illegal immigrants are criminals because they are here "unlawfully"... you even posted a bunch of definitions. Well speeding is unlawful and illegal too - and so by your definition and ignoring legal experts - you are classifying them as criminals too. You can't have it any other way.

Thanks for proving to me and everyone else exactly what drives and motivates you.

You are right, speeding is against the law. And when pulled over drivers are given a ticket or worse - depending on the amount over the speed limit they are going.

Entering the country unlawful, and if caught should be deported. Glad we agree

I agree on that 100%. No problem at all deporting illegals and no problem preventing them from entering the USA either. I'd like to see faster and more efficient processing of applicants seeking asylum and refugee status. I also think we could increase the numbers of legal immigrants allowed each year.

The issue I was raising is whether Illegal Immigrants are "criminals" .... and they are not.

Not if you’re a woman and have a nice rack.

Then, you just get a warning.

il·le·gal
/i(l)ˈlēɡəl/
adjective
adjective: illegal

1.
contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
"illegal drugs"


illegal - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/illegal

illegal. Something illegal is against the law or breaks the rules. ... Acts that go against the law, such as robbing a bank, are also illegal. There is a wide range of things called illegal, from small acts to big ones, but no matter the seriousness, if it is against the law, it is illegal.

If you break the LAW you're a criminal.

Actually that's not true Vambo cause Hillary aint no criminal.

That would be deported. Just trying to be helpful.

Undocumented, not illegal not unlawful. Before today, you never used the words unlawful immigrant. smh

If an immigrant is here illegally, by definition they are an illegal immigrant.

Undocumented bro.

It's nothing more than semantics. Undocumented just makes it sound better. It's a PC thing.

Undocumented bro. It's a teaching moment for Vambo.

But it's just semantics. I don't have a problem with the term "illegal immigrant". When you know you're braking the law when entering our country, you are committing an illegal act.

I've never had a problem calling it what it is.

It becomes a problem when it's used to whip up hate in certain groups. Hate speech is not semantics.

First off TY for the compliment for lumping me with those gentlemen the true patriots that they are.

If someone violates the immigration law and get caught they can be deported and they should be so tell me, Why does that make me or anyone else an OGRE that follows the rule of law.

Well I don't hate anyone and I still don't have a problem with it.