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Instead of a search firm, this time he is letting Dorsey do the searching and jimmy and Dorsey will interview the candidates. Once again, this is just not true. So me a link that says this is how its being headed and I will eat my crow. ALL links posted, have said that Dorsey has his pick for the coach. Yes Jimmy is the owner and has to sign off on it in the end, as any owner would. But the fact remains, its John Dorseys hire according to all Media and reporting's.
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Instead of a search firm, this time he is letting Dorsey do the searching and jimmy and Dorsey will interview the candidates. Once again, this is just not true. So me a link that says this is how its being headed and I will eat my crow. ALL links posted, have said that Dorsey has his pick for the coach. Yes Jimmy is the owner and has to sign off on it in the end, as any owner would. But the fact remains, its John Dorseys hire according to all Media and reporting's. Yes. Everything I read said Dorsey will handle the search and be able to hire whomever he feels best. Haslams however have said they may want to sit on the final 2-3 candidates. Not even saying these articles are accurate, but that's what is being reported. Anything other than what's being reported should be considered speculation. Whether you believe it to be true or not is pure speculation and not factual...unless someone wants to post a link to something contrary.
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NONE OF U HAVE A CLUE ...
Not a single solitary one of us ...
This is true. I mean, look at the draft. Until the end, most all of us thought it would be Darnold. Started with Rosen then went to Darnold. And then there was the Josh Allen Panic. I think only like two guys on here were right when they were saying Definitely Going to Be Mayfield. At least only two that i can remember. Device and Eotab. EDIT: Truth is, the media doesn't know anything. We don't know anything. Dorsey plays his cards close to his chest. Just seen it from the draft, we had no clue at all. Friend Of Dorsey and the Media had us spinning in circles, and they really didn't know anything I appreciate that... but in all fairness, there was a time that I too was convinced we were going to screw up and draft Darnold instead of Mayfield. I'm glad it all worked out. 
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That's what I mean, I am not stating that's even true that Dorsey has final say - I am saying that ALL REPORTS are Dorsey has final say.
To say that Jimmy is hiring the coach when 1. there is not one single report saying that and 2. not presenting any links to back that statement means its either pure speculation on that posters part or simply a lie
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Not a single one of us has ANY CLUE how this is gonna break down ...
NONE ... ya’all wanna make ASSumptions off what boils down to VAGUE STATMENETS ...
All we know so far is that King John is gonna be the tip of the spear initially .. we have NO CLUE how this will break down .. NONE ...
Will the THIEF and misses THIEF simply ‘sign off” on thehire .. will they be in on and play an active roll in the interviews ..
NONE OF U HAVE A CLUE ...
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The only thing I know: we'll have a coach in January at some point.
My best guesses:
- Lincoln Riley
- Dave Toub
- Josh McDaniels
- Eric Bienemy
- Bruce Arians
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The sample size it what it is. There is no way for the current coaching staff to make it more.
Hue got 40 games to provide his continuity. After 2 seasos we won .50 games a season, yet people wanted more.
Now we are turned 180degrees from that and people aren't sure.
Aren't sure of what is my question?
I find it funny people are talking about winning out for the coaches to keep their jobs, but after a winless and 1 win season people were saying we needed a larger sample size for continuity's sake.
Sorry, I don't get it. I like what I am seeing and want to maintain some continuity.
For the most part, the assistant coaches on this team under Hue weren't the problem. It's now very clear to all who couldn't see it before who had the problem. ^^This The case is closed, bang the gavel, adjourn the room...
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Changing systems and rebuilding are not the same thing. The Rams hired Sean McVay and Wade Phillips. They dramatically improved with basically the same players. So did we... we changed coaches and immediately got 100% better in a week.... why do we want to risk trying it again?
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I agree. It's like that Family Guy episode where he's getting a boat, and they really want a boat, but they can trade it in for a "Mystery Box" which could contain anything, so that's what he goes with, because it's a MYSTERY BOX!
We've always wanted 2 things: continuity and a coaching staff that makes us a competitive football team. We finally have that after 19 seasons, but people want to trade it in for the mystery box.
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Changing systems and rebuilding are not the same thing. The Rams hired Sean McVay and Wade Phillips. They dramatically improved with basically the same players. So did we... we changed coaches and immediately got 100% better in a week.... why do we want to risk trying it again? We didn’t change systems. Obviously.
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Ya .... casue NO ONE else could do what Fred’s doing and NO ONE ELSE could do what Williams is dong ...  ... I’d rather get rid of Williams and his WAY TO AGRESSIVE WAY TO OVERRATED IMO way he runs a D as opposed to keep him for “continiuty’s” sake .... We’ll see how King John feels here over the next 5 - 8 or so ... If GW is da man we shouldn’t have to wait until after the playoffs are over unless one of the butt munch playoff teams wont let us interview there guy ... U guys wanna corranate the dude casue he’s beaten the Dirty Birds the Panthers and the Bungles ... he’s also gotten his ass handed to him by the Chefs and Texans ... texans game was over at some point early in Q2 for all intents and purposes ... Not poo pooing what he’s done .. just sayin it needs to be us in perspective ... witch I’m sure King John has plenty of ... I’ll gaurantee ya’all one thing ... ya’all are giving way more credence to what’s happenend since the air cleansing that King John has in regards to GW ...
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Changing systems and rebuilding are not the same thing. The Rams hired Sean McVay and Wade Phillips. They dramatically improved with basically the same players. So did we... we changed coaches and immediately got 100% better in a week.... why do we want to risk trying it again? Did u MISS THE CHIEFS GAME or did we get different feeds ...  ... It took TWO WEEKS ,,,  ...... BUT a PRETTY BAD TEAM that’s entire coaching staff is GOING TO GET FIRED at the end of the year ... matter of fact ... all 3 teams we’ve beaten may lose there entire coaching staffs ... hmmmm ... *LOL* ....
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Team stats show that Williams defense ranks 31 in the NFL in total defense, giving up 411 yds per game...
Kind of hard to contend for the playoffs with a defense that is leaking yds at a rate of 411 yds per game.
IMO, not so good.
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Pass defense ranks 31st giving up 277 yds per game.
Run defense ranks 28th giving up 133 yds per game.
I haven't even studied the defensive stats until now. Not sure exactly what the problem is but, no doubt that improvement on the defensive side is a must if the Browns want a chance to win a super bowl.
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we're really banged up on defense though.
injuries to an already average LB core, and injuries to our secondary.
we can also use an upgrade in the middle next to big L, and we can use an upgrade over ogbah, who's a great rotational player but we need more.
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Pass defense ranks 31st giving up 277 yds per game.
Run defense ranks 28th giving up 133 yds per game.
I haven't even studied the defensive stats until now. Not sure exactly what the problem is but, no doubt that improvement on the defensive side is a must if the Browns want a chance to win a super bowl. And yet, we're doing something new: Winning games.
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dorsey will most likely hire his guy but will haslem keep his hands off or over meddle like he likes to do.
our defense played a lot worse when shobert was injured and dramatically improved when he came back. I think it shows we lack talent and depth at the LB positions. We also need more talent at the CB spot to play any real defense against tougher teams. Right now our defense is just OK but I think it's due to talent rather than coaching. I mean william really improved the fundamental playing of our players quit a bit especially in regards to tackling.
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Pass defense ranks 31st giving up 277 yds per game.
Run defense ranks 28th giving up 133 yds per game.
I haven't even studied the defensive stats until now. Not sure exactly what the problem is but, no doubt that improvement on the defensive side is a must if the Browns want a chance to win a super bowl. And yet, we're doing something new: Winning games. +1, I don't care what are yardage is or what yardage we give up. as long as we have 1 more point on the score board, they are dong their jobs.
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Team stats show that Williams defense ranks 31 in the NFL in total defense, giving up 411 yds per game...
Kind of hard to contend for the playoffs with a defense that is leaking yds at a rate of 411 yds per game.
IMO, not so good. We are pretty banged up on defense but I would be in favor of having Williams/Dorsey add a new DC.. and a special teams coach.. I'm not saying we can't make ANY changes... but I'm keeping most of it in place.
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I just think it may be a reason given as to why other candidates may be considered. I mean let's face it, none of us know what's in Dorsey's head. But at the same time I think if we keep Williams as HC we will hire another DC. And to me that would be the perfect answer to all the questions about Williams style of D and how poor the stats look. Just tell Williams that if he is elevated to HC he will have to hire a new DC and hand the duties of the D over to them. Not his kid. Kitchens runs the O, a guy like Bowles runs the D and Williams is HC. That keeps the current HC and OC in place plus upgrades the DC. Yeah, i know that looks like a perfect scenario in an imperfect world, but we can dream, right?
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Pass defense ranks 31st giving up 277 yds per game.
Run defense ranks 28th giving up 133 yds per game.
I haven't even studied the defensive stats until now. Not sure exactly what the problem is but, no doubt that improvement on the defensive side is a must if the Browns want a chance to win a super bowl. And yet, we're doing something new: Winning games. +1, I don't care what are yardage is or what yardage we give up. as long as we have 1 more point on the score board, they are dong their jobs. Wow. 28th and 31st. 410 a game. We'd need 500 Million in Cap Space to give Williams what he needs to be a Top 10 D. 2 Garrett 2 Mack 2 Donald 2 Peterson Berry
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Where is all the continuity talk from the people screaming for such about keeping Hue? What's your point, Peen? Do you want continuity or not? Do you want Williams as the HC or not? Are you gloating, or just acting like a jerk? I can't tell. I am wanting to keep Williams. What we are seeing is worth keeping. So continuity is a good thing? I tend to agree. The team is playing at a high level, the discipline message has been (or seems to have been) heard. And Kitchens is probably the most effective OC we've had in decades. The sample size is small, but so far so good. The sample size it what it is. There is no way for the current coaching staff to make it more. Hue got 40 games to provide his continuity. After 2 seasos we won .50 games a season, yet people wanted more. Now we are turned 180degrees from that and people aren't sure. Aren't sure of what is my question? I find it funny people are talking about winning out for the coaches to keep their jobs, but after a winless and 1 win season people were saying we needed a larger sample size for continuity's sake. Sorry, I don't get it. I like what I am seeing and want to maintain some continuity. For the most part, the assistant coaches on this team under Hue weren't the problem. It's now very clear to all who couldn't see it before who had the problem. The sample size is small, even though it is what it is. If we lose out, no way does GW get the job, no matter how much you want continuity now. You seem to have this need to say "I told you so" without actually saying it. So why don't you just say it, get it out of your system, and then move the f on? I don't play the "I told you so" card, simply because we all have opinions. Sometimes we are right, sometimes not. None of us can read the future, so no, I am not going to say that, nor want to say that. I also understand that my wanting to keep Williams is my opinion, and even I wonder if he is the best person for the job. I don't mean to keep jabbing at Hue, but we are talking results here and Hue is the comparison. Just because Williams has provided a bit of stability, some discipline, and a warrior attitude in the guys, it doesn't mean he is the best for the job as we move forward. I concede that. I understand that. I also understand that a bird in hand is better than two in the bush. That bird in hand is sure meat on the table. I support John. Whatever he decides I will support, even if I moan for a few days or weeks. In the end I have no choice or say. I hope it works with whatever he decides....and yes, he decides. Sure, Jimmy and Dee hire the coach, all owners do, but at this point I seriously doubt the Haslam's will veto John's choice. He is not going to give them a few options from which to choose. He is going to come forward and say this is the guy we need to hire.
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Defensive yardage ranks don't give a very clear picture of how the defense is performing. At the very least, use points, because points on the board matter whereas yards given up don't.
Even then, neither take into account a whole host of factors, such as:
- number of snaps on the field/amount of time played (including 4 games deep into overtime)
- the game situation.. 20 yards going from the 40 to the 40 is a lot different than gaining the 20 yards of the red zone; a garbage score at the end of a multi-score game is different than one that takes the lead.
- the offense and special teams contribution to time of possession, field position, and opponent's scores
- defensive philosophy, e.g. playing aggressively and giving up a lot of big plays, but also forcing a lot of turnovers
That's not to say the defense is great. There are leaks to plug. It's a better than league average defense though.
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Yeah as really wonder who they will get. and that inquiring minds want to know.
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I'm good moving forward with GW and Fred
I don't think it would be wise to upset the apple cart right now.
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Not a single one of us has ANY CLUE how this is gonna break down ...
NONE ... ya’all wanna make ASSumptions off what boils down to VAGUE STATMENETS ...
All we know so far is that King John is gonna be the tip of the spear initially .. we have NO CLUE how this will break down .. NONE ...
Will the THIEF and misses THIEF simply ‘sign off” on thehire .. will they be in on and play an active roll in the interviews ..
NONE OF U HAVE A CLUE ...
Not a single solitary one of us ...
Dawg, that's why I can't involve myself in these conversations any more deeply than you've seen. There's nothing really to talk about, until s# gets done. Even then, all we can do is react to it. We have no control over any of this. If JimmyDee let Dorsey make the choice, I'd feel better about whomever got chosen. If JimmyDee make the choice, we're no closer to The Lombardi than we've ever been. I mean.... it's JimmyDee, fer cryinoutloud. What do they know about NFL professional competence? _________________ In one of the 'playoff-tilted threads,' I posted a li'l op-ed about my desire to just take 2018 games as they come during this current season. I'm kinda taking this same approach with the HC thread. Consider this: If Elves win out in 2018/watch PIT lose out/play in the post-season... but die in Round One of The Dance: What does John Dorsey do? 1. Does he sign on a new HC, who will want to hire his own staff, remake us into BakerBrowns/2019© ? 2. Does he try to shoehorn a compliant HC prospect into a system/personnel that seems to be working- but is not his? 3.Does he rehire/promote the guys who maybe are not top-tier coaching prospects... but who proved themselves worthy by virtue of a Real-Life half-season of actual NFL Football? I know where my 'sentimental fan'/pragmatist self falls on this question: Dance with the ones what brung ya.(Translation: Clem Dorsey promotes to permanent leadership posts the boys who gave Browns fans wins in December 2018. Earned job status, yo...) _______________________ We can't possibly know what's about to drop here. And until we do, we can't speak about this with any intellectual weight. I can't get on a happayass cruise ship to 'Paradise Island' until I see what the Cruise Line Execs gonna do about next year's captain, first mate and sailing crew. You right, bro: None of us know for sure. I'm takin' this journey slow... but I'm starting to smile as I take these next steps- w8t&C, yo
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All true! And part of me knows it is vital. Eventually.
Right now, dawg, I am here for the buffet. And enjoying it!
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Dawg, that's why I can't involve myself in these conversations any more deeply than you've seen.
Another example of why your a much smarter man than me ...
I can't get on a happayass cruise ship to 'Paradise Island' until I see what the Cruise Line Execs gonna do about next year's captain, first mate and sailing crew.
Hmmm ... Paradise Island ... thats got possibilities ... i was thinking maybe somewhere up in the stars for next years destination ... but another isle would be a lot less expensive as we all ready have ferry’s and and Isle ... hmmmm ... Isle of Optimism morphs into Paradise lsland for next year ... hmmmm ... food for thought dawg ... food for thought ... u may have come up with next years destination ... THANKS CLEM ... I'm takin' this journey slow... but I'm starting to smile as I take these next steps- Lots of smiles all around ... WOOOHOOOOO ... Thats the buety of the Isle Mr. Clem .... we all get to arrive at our own pace ... as long as we all EVENTUALLY GET THERE ... some will hold out and won’t arrive until that magical day ... and thats OK ... as long as they get there ... When your ready ... u let us know ... whip will come get u ... Cap will hook u and yours up with a beverage of your choice ... and Cap will set up a little spot in the bar for u to jam from when u get the feeling ... I do have one song request ... any chance u can learn “I feel good” ...
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Ah! Cap's a good man...
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haus..I'm not trying to pee in anyone cheerios by posting a few defensive stats and I'm aware of some of the circumstances that could be factors affecting the "why".
I'm also aware that a 1 point win is all that matters when talking stats. Hopefully the team can win out with the style of football they are presently playing.
But, the title of this thread is the Head Coaching Search...
should Dorsey just ignore the performance of the offense and defense?
Should Dorsey focus on a defensive minded HC to help support Gregg Williams and the defense?
Should Dorsey look for a HC who wants to fire the entire defensive coaching staff and bring in his own defensive coaching staff?
Should Dorsey focus on an offensive minded HC who believes it's up to Gregg Williams to improve the defensive side?
The performance of team over the last 3 weeks of the season might figure into the final HC search...or maybe Dorsey has already made his choice for the next HC.
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I can't get on a happayass cruise ship to 'Paradise Island' until I see what the Cruise Line Execs gonna do about next year's captain, first mate and sailing crew. Not me. I'm all in baby!! I hope they keep GW and FK on, but I also trust Dorsey if that doesn't happen. There's a feel about this team that's got me higher than a kite....and I've been around the block with the Browns since the 70's. I'm going to park my arse up to the bar and enjoy this voyage. It's been years since I haven't felt like I'm wasting Sunday afternoons watching garbage. That's a real football team out there.
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That's a real football team out there. It hasn't filled out to its' final form yet but I like what I'm seeing. Should we play out the season like the past 5 games, I'm definitely leaning to keep GW and FK...
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Hello Fred .... Adios Mr. Williams ... “We haven’t filled out” ... it takes me 63 words to say that ... Any chance i can get your # ... i’ll call and let u know what i want to say .. then u can post it for me using about 20% of the words i would have needed ... everyone wins .... *LOL* ...
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I think something that is overlooked in the debate whether to keep GW and Co is in keepiing the assistant coaches...and I'm not just talking about Kitchens.
Someone has been coaching a resurgent Robinson...
Someone has been coaching a born-again Perriman and developing Callaway...
Someone has coached up our RBs to where all three contribute on gameday and one guy looks to be a stud...
Someone has helped Njoku develop and catch the ball...
And lastly...someone has coached Mayfield to improve his taking the ball from under Center, developing his PA skills and raising an already-high ceiling.
I don't like the way our defense performs all-too-often, however, we have a few glaring needs defensively where it is reasonable to think they may perform much better with even just a slight improvement in play at a few positions.
I'll get on board with whatever Dorsey decides...but I think there is a bigger picture to consider in the debate whether to keep GW & Co.
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dorsey will most likely hire his guy but will haslem keep his hands off or over meddle like he likes to do.
our defense played a lot worse when shobert was injured and dramatically improved when he came back. I think it shows we lack talent and depth at the LB positions. We also need more talent at the CB spot to play any real defense against tougher teams. Right now our defense is just OK but I think it's due to talent rather than coaching. I mean william really improved the fundamental playing of our players quit a bit especially in regards to tackling. Why do people assume that Haslam meddles so much?
#GMSTRONG
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just bring on Bruce Arians!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
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