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I agree, it's why we make sure to collect I9 forms and ensure that the proper documentation is collected. In the case of mass fraud where ICE busts a company full of hundreds of illegals? I think the company should be investigated and hopefully charged with wrongdoing. The specific reason I threw the racial profiling comment down was on the content of teetubs post, specifically his "red flag"



That's textbook racial profiling. If you disagree I'd like to know why.

The name John Budd and being a non English, Hispanic person is possible but highly unlikely. 2+2 isn't 7. It's an obvious red flag.

Now you can call that racist if you wish but it looks a lot like common sense to me.

It's not as I wish, it's as the 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act demands. If you were to disqualify hiring someone because you thought that their name and race did not ADD UP as you claim, and they were in fact eligible, that's an easy open and shut discrimination case.

Common sense is a horrible argument to use in defense of racial profiling. Albert Einstein said "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." It is a logical fallacy to say something is right because "it's common sense."

Common sense allows you to call someone and report something you consider suspicious. And not hiring someone because you feel they're being dishonest in their application or interview process? Never heard of such a thing. Once again, it's all in how you interpret it.

Most adopted kids have white ass names and are minorities. Especially with our penchant for out of the country adoptions.

If they disqualified him simply because of that, then yes that would be wrong.

However, it doesn't mean they are not allowed to look into it further. That's the difference. he didn't say not hire him because his name was different then his looks, he said it was a red flag. I deal with red flag alerts all the time. It doesn't disqualify someone, it just makes you look further into it.

And by the time those adopted kids are grown and seeking employment, they know English. At least some English.

Pit,

You beat me to the obvious.

"white ass" names? Hmmm.......

That's cool, but you were just calling for the screening of their names lol

Common sense as I'm sure you are aware, has suprisingly little value in a court of law, for better or ill

I can totally understand the desire to deal with something that may seem obvious. But employment law is rife with potential landmines if you aren't careful. I've had to educate my team overseas on some of the pitfalls, because the law isn't the same in Europe as it is in the US.

I would feel very uneasy if I had a lawsuit thrown my way, and my justification for not hiring John Budd was on suspicions he was here illegally and it was based on his specific situation. There's a fair bit of case law available that finds for the plaintiff in race based discrimination. Even if my justifications were later found to be TRUE it's possible I could be judged against because it shows a pattern of discrimination.

The only safe forms of due diligence are ones that you apply to all candidates. In this case if I required every applicant to submit to a background check, work eligibility check, etc, that would be different. But that still means I cannot treat this person in question any differently than any other job candidate because of their race or name. All I can do is pass the information along and wait to see what comes back.

How would you feel about a civil lawsuit by a victim's family asserting wrongful death on the behalf of an employer who looked the other way on an employee's questionable identity with the idea that had the employer not provided opportunity to a person who had no legal status to be in the community where a murder happened, then the murder would most likely never happened.....which lawsuit do you fear the most? Which one will cause you to lose sleep at night? Which one do you want weighing on you mind in your dying days?

You can't re-write what I said. Well, I guess you can because you did. lol

I said the name didn't line up with the fact that he couldn't speak English. Something seemed to not add up.

gage,

You can find lots of reasons not to hire someone. If you feel they are not being honest, you don't have to hire them.

In a court you have to prove discrimination. Loosely based insinuations aren't enough.

There are lots of reasons not to hire someone, and indeed concerns over honesty is one. It's one I had to address before in my professional life.

And maybe this is the eggnog talking , but your last sentence seems to imply it only matters what is provable in court? Is guiliani providing you legal counsel? In seriousness, while I am aware you can definitely fake your intentions in a courtroom, that makes it sound like you're OK with discrimination as long as people don't get caught doing it. To do so ignores the long history of why we have AD laws to begin with.

Well since it isn't discrimination, I'm okay with it.

If an applicant tells me their name is John Budd and they can't speak a word of English, I question their honesty.

Anybody wanna do some boarder security? When I come down the mountain, I need some covfefe thrown at me.

Democrats and the border: What they don’t want you to know

Yet the CDC says small pox looks like this:



But some people are just stupid and will fall for anything.


Educate yourself V.

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/index.html

Thousands of years ago, variola virus (smallpox virus) emerged and began causing illness and deaths in human populations, with smallpox outbreaks occurring from time to time. Thanks to the success of vaccination, the last natural outbreak of smallpox in the United States occurred in 1949. In 1980, the World Health Assembly declared smallpox eradicated (eliminated), and no cases of naturally occurring smallpox have happened since.

Smallpox research in the United States continues and focuses on the development of vaccines, drugs, and diagnostic tests to protect people against smallpox in the event that it is used as an agent of bioterrorism.

You’ve been told this before, so you can’t pretend to do the whole “Aw, geez, I didn’t know!” thing again, but this is precisely the ignorant propaganda the Nazis trotted out.

They claimed that the Jews were bringing smallpox and tuberculosis into Germany.

Also, that absolutely isn’t smallpox. It looks like chicken pox or exzema. Smallpox produces boils, not a rash.

Who tweeted that, Vambo? Why did you cut off the name of the poster?

I don't think you're intending to profile, Pit. I'll suggest you consult legal counsel the next time you hire. I have gone through the whole song and dance with legal as well as HR, and everything you've posted in this thread is dangerous language to use when reasoning why you would not hire someone. The most dangerous aspect is that you are disqualifying someone on a basis that does not apply to the job, and also does not uniformly apply to all candidates. You would claim the candidate is disqualified because you don't think they are being honest. And you base that dishonesty on their name and language barrier. Additionally, you could expose the business to defamation of character. If instead you you disqualified on the basis of not speaking english, and english was a job requirement, you'd be fine. See how that works?

If you still disagree, that is your right. And if you do, then someone with your views, who is also in charge of hiring, is the reason Employment Practice Liability Insurance exists

Just curious here: What if written and/or verbal communication are required for the job? If the applicant can't in writing and/or verbally - in ENGLISH........then what?

From gage’s above post:

Thanks. Didn't see that in my skimming.

Obama was a hard liner on immigration that deported more people than any president in history.

It's funny how they forget that I called him Deporter in Chief since I've been a member of this forum lol

There’s a certain irony in the fact that they traded in a well-oiled deportation machine for a clown who keeps tripping over himself and getting tied up in court because he’s too dumb to know not to run his mouth.

Good for him. He then understands the need for a border wall.

If that were actually true, he'd have advocated for a wall himself.
He did not.

No, he was actually efficient in his hard line immigration stance.

Yep. Obama was smart enough to see it wouldn't work. Look at me getting all nostalgic over intelligence in a POTUS.

This tweet appears to be his source. Also of note, the photo Vambo posted was taken by Texas Congressman Cuellar back in 2014 and is now being recirculated as fear propaganda.

Here is the link to the photo taken back in 2014.....
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Tweet

“@WeSupport45”

The dead giveaway was that there hasn’t been a reported case of smallpox in the world since the 1970’s but one can’t expect Vambo to discern between facts a high schooler would know and insane Breitbart Grandpa chain e-mails.

Take a look at this gem from the lunatic Twitter account that somehow tricked Vambo into thinking that brown people were spreading a smallpox outbreak:

When Stephen Miller is the best person trump has to go out and face the public over immigration, you know it’s bad.

Did he spray paint his head again this time?

Bro he always looks like he’s up to no good.

The best Miller story is that when he was in high school, he ran onto the track during a girls’ meet to “prove that males are superior to females”.

The second best is that in college he ran for student council but got booed off the stage after saying that he should be able to throw his garbage on the floor because “that’s why we pay janitors”.

A distant third would be that when he was 17 he told his childhood buddy they couldn’t be friends anymore “because he was Mexican”.

And he’s the guy Trump has write all his executive orders (and why they almost immediately get struck down by the first judge who sees them)

All the best and most serious people.

lol it never gets old when you post that. Especially since I looked it up myself and yep, there it was.

Dude is a certified creep, so of course he’s gonna last the longest in the trump administration.