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Peppers played great today. He was solid in coverage and made some huge tackles.

Peppers offered the best rebuttal possible to jeers aimed at him this week.

I agree.

I hope people jeer him again this week. (not in a bad way, though)

Whatever it took to wake him up.

They were well deserved jeers. Good for him for stepping up. He will quickly learn that the real Browns fans have no interest in where he went to college. They just want players who produce. Loved watching him today.

Very well deserved and long overdue. He was watchable today and contributed. Pleasant change of pace.

We need a punt returner and a gunner.

The Michigan comments were Braylon-like ... In other words, childish.
I've been on this site 14 years or so and I Know for a fact, that OSU fans don't care where a Browns player went to school once he's a Brown.

He seemed to play well today, though. We need him to keep it up.

My wife is the biggest Michigan homer I've ever come across. She's also the biggest OSU hater I've ever come across.



She was gone for the first half of the game today. When she got home, she wanted to know how things were going - not just the score - how people were doing.

When I told her Ward and Hyde were having good games, she was happy.


Where you went to college means NOTHING if you are proving your worth on the field.

Any comments on Peppers play today?

Perhaps you lack the ability to scroll up........

Peppers looked legit yesterday.

He has definitely separated himself from Kindred as the legit starter.

Has anyone posted snap counts for yesterday yet? I don't recall seeing Kindred but a handful of times.

Collins also had a good game. Flacco is no good exploiting the mid of defenses.

Peppers will have some highlights,either good or bad,but in general he sucks bad and it shows.

Kindred is more disciplined, but far from being a great SS. IMHO Randall is the only stand out in the mid of our D, the other Lb's and safeties are average at best and most of them are bad.

Saying Peppers can tackle its just laughable, actually the whole team is a joke tackling, players are clearly regressing...

Several plays where you can see Peppers throwing his back to cut a player.... Man that's bad D....

And we still can't defend screen plays...

BS

You aren't the only one. I remember saying that I thought he would make an instant impact as a returner but it would take us a while to figure out where to use him on defense. I think he can cover fine in short coverage. It's in deep coverage where he gets abused.

He's a good SS but I still don't think we are using him right. I think his best spot is as a dime LB or moneybacker.

Peppers played out of position at UM out of necessity and because he was athletic enough to do it.

The Browns clearly reached on him, taking him in the 1st round without knowing what position he would play. Fans should (most do)) blame the FO for over drafting him (& Njoku) not the players who were probably not prepared to be thrust into the NFL as key members of a team as rookies.

Again he is forced to play out of position as a rookie in the NFL. He played 35 yards off the ball in a secondary that was horrendous. Not all his fault.

In week 17 against the Steelers, Peppers played much closer to the line of scrimmage and the results were noticeable as he made plays all over the field.

This year after 3 years of playing out of position, he finally is put in a position that he can thrive in. But he is forced to share time with Kindred who played decent the last two years but is not a super star talent.

Through the first 5 games it seems as Peppers is getting more time on the field, taking snaps away from Kindred. He seems to be progressing as he played very well against the Ravens. Hopefully he uses that game as a springboard to become the SS that the Browns need and become an impact player.

The fact that he struggles as a return man does not deserve blame. In my opinion, that is on the coaching staff as he has not done anything as a returner in 2 years. Please do not put Landry back there, but there have to be other options that are clearly better than him. The fair catch against Pittsburg was horrible, but he probably should not have been in that position. I look for Duke to starts returning punts soon.

As another person posted. Make him a gunner on our porous punt coverage team. I have no doubt he can bring an energy quite like Cribbs used to.

I am a Browns fan, and there is no reason to blast one of our own if he does not deserve it. Is Peppers an all pro? No.
But as I stated a lot of this is not his fault. give him time and see how he progresses. He is five games into playing his position, and seems to be getting better every game. I hope he keeps it up and is a key part of the newly formed DawgPound for a long time to come.

I could care less where players come from and I don't think anyone else does either to be honest.

I thought Peppers had potential based on Harbaugh singing his praises as an intelligent football player - but he has been a major disappointment. He can't tackle in the open field, he can't cover, he takes bad angles in space.

He played his best game as a Brown this last week. But I don't know that I think he was great ... it was one game and I'll take his play one game at a time quite happily. If he continues to play as he did this game I'll be happy. But it has nothing at all to do with which college he went to.

Nobody cares what school a player comes from as long as they play well in a Browns uniform. Where or how someone can come up with that BS is beyond whacked.

Jabrill Peppers day over @TheOBR. Success boils down to snaps in the tackle box (area on the field that extends laterally btwn OTs on either side of the OL).

Peppers played 104 box snaps in 13 2017 games. Already played 100 snaps in the box in 5 2018 games. His natural position.

https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1050765074481246209

I don't think he tackles well or covers well. He's got a body of work that shows me that ... he's got a single game where he played v well. (he played very well but I wouldn't say he was Great) .... the proof is in the pudding. If he plays like the last game consistently - then we got ourselves a player. If he reverts to how he played before - then not so much.

He's a Brown - not a Wolverine - so I'm rooting for him all the way. Period. Same with any player.

What do you mean, when you say "played like before?"

If you are talking about 2017, you need not worry because he is not playing FS.

If you do mean the first 4 games, please understand that he had not played SS in the 3 years prior to this. So give him some time. Learning at the NFL level is not easy, no matter how athletic one is.

I'll throw in an opinion that I noticed him a lot and in a good way last Sunday. Hopefully he's coming around...he's still just a second year guy in game 5 after playing left field last year. I have lots of patience for guys like that.

Off of the top of my head - Steve Everitt, Leroy Hoard.

I also do not recall anyone giving Braylon a hard time until he started dropping as many as he caught, and started referring to himself in the 3rd person.

Aaron Shea

I always liked Derrick Alexander.

I was one of the first, and few (if not the only) here that criticized Peppers pick. He does not know how to tackle, never did, and has very little field/game awareness. He is very athletic but lacks football instincts, traditional case in college D starts...

Was also one of the few, if not the only, criticizing the Njoku pick, because I don't like WR's nor TE that can't catch the ball.

I was getting heat and critics from all, and no support, yet I was right on both. Although in the case of Njoku I liked his progression and think he can still make it happen. Jabrill not only didn't developed but he regressed, his tackling fundamentals are still putrid...

Its not the case of being against Michigan players, its just the case of having eyes to see, and specially disliking Diva players celebrate a good play, like no tomorrow, even after having failed several plays in a row, and being made look like a fool so many times.

You guys have named several players that came from Michigan that Browns fans have supported. Why? Because they have played well in a Browns uniform. Braylon was playing like crap and becoming a diva.

The jury is out on Peppers. He looked much better last week and still has time to develop into a great player.

But it's odd how many Michigan player we have supported when it was stated that we don't. #mathmatters

I mean like when he has played before - whiffing tackles, doing a poor job covering and taking bad angles.

Whether he was a rookie, playing a new position or learning a new play book - or having to swim in Lake Eire because he was so deep .... it doesn't matter. What I saw before was not good. I am hoping that his last game was an indicator of future performance ... just like I hope Njoku catches the ball better and blocks better ... just like I hope Chubb blocks better ...

Good one.

Steve Everitt. Because he earned it.

I am so sick of your BS comments about Ohio State fans trashing Browns because they played at Michigan.

It's blatantly false and you are attacking our character by saying we are that biased.

We loved Thom Darden. We loved Steve Everitt. We loved LeRoy Hoard. We really liked Aaron Shea. Some guys even loved Braylon Edwards.

Your argument is biased and weak.

I loved Hoard too, and that was one of the first players I can remember

With Peppers you know that he will always get the highlight. Fortunately this year is has been good highlights, not him making a fool out of himself.

Still think that Randall is the key to the improvement, Peppers is getting better but he was so bad that it would be hard not to.

I also think that when he is targeted he shows up to be one of the weakest links on D.

I can't say Peppers is the next Troy Palumulu... But he's getting there.

Remember Troys first year,, yikes.. He really wasn't all that and a bag of chips... Then starting with his second season, he just turned it up.

Kinda the same thing is happening Peppers..