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in regards to the last possession, I wasn't opposed at ALL to trying to run it, or screen it, etc ... we kinda KNEW they were bringing pressure there (at least on 1st or 2nd down)

No problem dawg .... we got all off season ...

And i had zero problems with Freddie and the O ....

Was screaming for a screen on 3rd down ... really nice play call on 4th down ...

If any other DLman drops back but him ... our kicker would have had a shot to cost us another game ... *LOL* ...

Not sure how u run it against that D in that situation ...

U needed a screen pass or sumptin .... u needed to pass it over all the pressure they were bring from the middle and the edges ...

Great call on 4th down ...

I don't think it's out of the realm of reality. The situation that Baker was in is what separates the haves from the have nots in the NFL. He had everything he could have wanted. Ball in his hands, plenty of time, only in need of a FG. This is the very definition of a franchise QB - is being able to deliver in that moment.

And it wasn't guys dropping passes. It wasn't a bad call. It was Baker. He didn't deliver. I think that is the very definition of choke.

Is that harsh? I don't think so. I don't know what else to call it.

Think about the flip side. If he had delivered, everyone would be saying he's clutch.

And it particularly made me think of the game against UGA. Baker was lights out for about 3 quarters in that game. He was playing a very talented D and got tight in the fourth and IMO, choked.

So I kind of see a pattern here. I hope and don't believe it will last. But he needs to start delivering on these.

You think the refs would be okay if I started an Analysis thread of the game and we could get away from all of this agenda crap? Or, would it be duplicative?

I agree.

Your team has so much potential now. Baker Mayfield is definitely your quarterback of the future. It's such the shame that the Steelers were in a position that they needed the Browns to win to make the playoffs. But that's definitely on the Steelers. The AFCN will be a very interesting division now. Glad Cleveland finally has a good team.

He didn't choke.

I agree mom. The AFCN will be intriguing from now on

How would you characterize it?

And I'm asking in a serious manner. I'm not coming at you. There's no tone. Just a legit question.

Let them make the decision bro ...

I’d wait til at least tomorrow though ... history says anything started within 24 - 48 hours after the game ends is gonna get trashed ....

Your call ...

U know i’m bringing paper and pen next time we meet out ... i love diagrams ...

Some of the best lessons i got as an official was done in bars using napkins., swizzle sticks and our drinks ... *LOL* ..

No, he didn't....some people have never really played any sports past the age of 8, so take that in to account.

Really?

That was a bit petty, don't you think.

I don't think it was petty.

We wouldn't have been in that game if it wasn't for Baker.


You can second-quess the play calls at the end, but hindsight is 20/20.

He's a freaking rookie. He isn't the God that many make him out to be. But man, the guy makes plays. He plays w/attitude. He made some throws that got us back into the game.

That was far from a choke job.

He is young and is improving. He has done a great job of improving his pre-snap reads. The post-snap reads need some work but they aren't Weeden like. He is accurate on some throws and inaccurate on others.

Thus, I don't think he is as good as some think, but he certainly is very, very good for a freaking rookie qb.

He didn't choke. He battled all game long. He didn't piss straight up in the air after the first two picks. Instead, he fought back and helped to bring us back. That is a long way from choking.

And I am not knocking your opinion or your right to express it. I'm just saying I don't think he choked at all.

I think the guy has a very good future in the NFL. It will be even better if he matures a bit.

It was petty. The age 8 thing was certainly petty. It came from the same dude who called Hue "weak" after watching the episode in which he found out he lost his mother and was on the field an hour later and right on schedule.

You can defend Baker w/out being petty.

the game seemed eerily similar to Houston. We came out and got run ALL over. Looked like we didn't belong. Had some TO's.

But, battled back. Responded. And this time .. almost DID it

Big time progress

So Mayfield started 13 games this year and had at least 1 touchdown in each one. Rookies just don't do that. Does anyone know the record for consecutive games with a TD to start a career?

Whatever else happens this off season we have to keep Kitchens as OC. This was his very first shot as OC and play calling and IMO he did a fantastic job. But being this was his first time being a coordinator I think it's way too soon to be considering him for HC.

If Dorsey gets even close to having as good an offseason as last one we will be playoff bound next year.

I haven't been this optimistic about the Browns in a long time. Even the year we went 10-6 I never thought Derek Anderson was the answer at QB. Mayfield is the answer.

No.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pr...eland-browns-24

Here is the PFF recap - which is what everyone saw pretty much. Up and down day for Baker, but overall considering the competition it was encouraging despite the missed throws at the end.

Looks like we had a lot of missed tackles today - which isn't terribly surprising based on those runs and some of the jukes Jackson put on our D when he had a little space.

I agree with everything you said.

But I think he choked the game away today.

Everything else I agree with. He's a rookie who will improve, we wouldn't have been in the game without him, etc.

But consider this...most NFL games come down to the wire. It's not how you play throughout the game that matters, it's how you finish. Winning is what matters, not that you kept your team in the game. And the plays were there to be made and he didn't make them.

It's what used to drive me crazy about Haden. He'd play great for 3 quarters, but when we really needed him to make a play, he'd give up some double move to a team's 5th WR late in the 4th.

I think that's the difference between being clutch or not. It's what you do with the plays when they matter most.

What Baker did with the plays when they mattered most helped us to lose.

And I love Baker. I do. I agree with all the nice superlatives you gave him. I agree with every single one.

But I just think he choked today. It's what you do with the plays when they matter the most.

Stay classy.

Hope the ref whistled our TD dead gets pounded. That was lousy luck. And I want a new kicker. Like we were playing uphill against about16 opponents.

Hell of a game. I had more fun this season than I did in the last 10 years.

Thank your Elf.

U best go put a feel good song in my optimism thread or i’m gonna have to dissapoint u with my choice again ...

We disagree, but that's okay.

A side note: I think disagreeing is good. It helps us all learn. The more "logical" opinions the better.

Unfortunately, this board has turned into sects and bickering fueled only by agendas.

I think this team is on the right track and it's time we all move on and celebrate the future of the Browns.

I know that won't happen, but it's my two cents.

LOL.............give me a few minutes. I gotta piss.

If the Browns could have made that field goal just before halftime, there would have been 3 more points!

I thought it was going in, first look.

They really need a "good" fg kicker.

IMHO, it was clear he didn't choke. He was asked to make some high risk plays, and he delivered.

He didn't have a perfect game, some areas he has to develop, namely the passes to the left, throwing on the move, starting rolling to the left, and the long ball.

He was facing a very good and aggressive D, was clearly rattled on the 2nd quarter but showed very good composure.2nd half he was great, and I think all that were watching felt that we actually had a good chance to win the game.

Chocking would be failing passes he normally does, or just freezing and not risking. He did nothing of that, he just wasn't accurate on some plays he usually isn't.

Overall the only player I'm less pleased on O was Duke, who was a non factor and I'm starting to think is way overrated.

On D the middle was terrible, but the adjustments were great.

Overall a very good game.

Totally agree... wasn't a choke... defensive guy made a heck of a play.... snuck back and baker never saw him,,. Don't see it as a choke,,,

We put up a fight today in a tough environment. Almost pulled it out. From 1-32 to 7-8-1, and giving us lot to be optimistic about, what an outstanding season this has been.

I'm pretty sure the choke reference was made to the missed throw to Landry on the sideline that was behind him. But regardless Baker was great today.

I think Baker has probably seen a TON more than we ever dreamed in his first year. He's been put in a lot of different situations and has been successful overall

Seeing how we competed against a playoff team was important.

Gashed by the run, gashed by the running QB, gashed by the TE, two early INTs, a choking kicker and an errant whistle taken together seem impossible to overcome. Add in no run game, and several off-target or rushed throws and it seems like a sure blowout.

But we had the ball in our hands with two-minutes to go for a game winning FG. What more do you want than that? To be in it with the game on the line. Of course, hats off to their D for making the play. Shame on GW for not taking the timeout to make certain they had a play called that would get them five yards against the all out blitz. But it is what it is. We showed we can compete against the best in our division. That's okay for now.

We need a real kicker.

Our QB put together a hell of a game. Wish he could've won it for us, and for him, but it was one hell of a comeback effort. He's going to have to learn to play against these tough Ds in the AFCN. Once he has that down, I don't feel like the rest of the league will be that hard.

Still feels like the chemistry isn't 100% there yet with the receivers. We see flashes. Callaway had a good day. Perlman, Juice, Njoku all had nice catches. But sometime soon it'll be like mind-meld symbiosis and it'll seem like they can't miss. I'm looking forward to that.

Hats off to Baker for breaking the rookie TD record. That he did it in 14 games is amazing.

We're soft in the middle. I expect a DT in FA and in the draft. Collins had an awful first half and a decent second half. Someone must have talked to him at half time.

We need linebackers. Big, mean, nasty, fast, smart linebackers. Collins needs replaced and I'd like to see us draft a nasty ILB.

Seemed like a fairly clean game penalty-wise. I really like the attitude and discipline GW has installed. He should be a contender but I don't think he is.

I hope we get the coaching pick right. We seem so close. Potentially dominant.

It's been a wonderful season. Most fun I've had as a Browns fan in a long, long time.

I'm happy for all of us. We deserver this, damn it. It's about time.

Can't wait for FA & the draft.

I saw it as well. It was a terrible no call but I didn't mention it because I didn't want to whine about bad calls. We still had our chance but it wasn't meant to be.

I can't stand Weddle.

Just one of those guys that gets under your skin.

Randall was tackling today like he didn't want to rehab an injury in the off-season.

Baker Mayfield will be 24 for the 2019 season.
Myles Garrett just turned 23.
Nick Chubb just turned 23.
David Njoku doesn't turn 23 till July.
Jabrill Peppers is 23.
Denzel Ward turns 22 in April.
Jarvis Landry is 26.
Antonio Callaway turns 22 in January.
Joe Schobert just turned 25.
Larry Ogunjobi turns 25 in June.

The core of this is made up of babies. This is going to be fun.

And boom goes the dynamite. Can't wait til September....

I almost wish we were on Hard Knocks again this next season. We've become "America's Team". The local sports talk station here in San Diego talk about us all the time. Casual fans pull for us. Fans of non-rivals root for us. The entire state of Oklahoma roots for us.

It's going to be a fun off-season. We're finally patching holes, rather than laying gaping expanses of foundation.

For entertainment value? Yes. Most teams that are on Hard Knocks are not successful though.