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Whole of the NFL - Missed tackles #1 Schobert #4 Collins.

Ouch.Maybe LB is the #1 priority ahead of DT.

I think Garret gets more sacks if we get some pressure up the middle. Qb's always seem to be able to step up in the pockets to avoid his outside rush.

Thanks for the Pluto post. I had no idea that JS was that bad. And JC was worse rank than I thought, but I had a fair and low opinion going into season. Pluto seems pretty confident about his opinions. I like his journalism personally.

Been saying that fir years. But no one will listen.

Clowney is 25.

that missed tackles stat is alarming

Agree, and it's weird because it seems like we had a lot fewer missed tackles this year than last year or the year before. I'd be interested in knowing those number. Not necessarily for individual players but for the team as a whole.

Clowney is 25 years old and coming off his rookie contract. Von Miller is 29 years old and has been in the league for 8 years.

Yeah, Rap says that Houston wants to give him a new contract and will franchise him if that deal can't be negotiated.

Too bad because having him on one side and Myles on the other would have been terrifying for opponents.

[That and I would love to get together with a bunch of you at Eve's saloon and have some beers and gab about our Browns with her included of course...that is if she picks up the tab...lol

I'm not saying I don't want Clowney. I am saying he is not going to be available.

Can she pick up the tab, tab?

That makes for a sick feeling in the gut.

But at least they rated high in coverage.

We need a run stuffing sideline to sideline LB. Our LB's are OK but we need that upgrade.

One thing that I noticed is that when Schobert is in, we don't get torn up by TE's.

We have lacked that thumper at LB for years

this team with a LB like Van der Esch, Kuechly, etc would be so much improved

They don't need to throw to TE much if he is missing tackles or getting them late, I guess. Seriously, can he be worked into a nickel or something where he could help with cover more?
He is a great help getting us set and such.

We need a Mack type, or something major in upgrade similar to that. Be strong up the middle. Draft some tacklers. For us that would help ST cover as well.

Missed tackles are never a good thing ... Some times I think that it is a combination of things ... Such as our DL getting gashed, and also missed sacks ... and I do recall Schobert wiffing on some sacks, so numbers don't paint a full picture. With that said, I think that any and all of the LB positions there is room for an upgrade.

Are you including Kirksey in this? Did he play enough to get ranked? Lot of room to improve as NFL whiff leaders. Wrap!

Does this surprise your guys? LB's have been a major weakness on this D for years. I hope Terry is right and we revamp one of the weakest ares on this team.

What is a thumper and who is an example of a thumper in the NFL today?

I’ve said all year that schobert is vastly overrated. I think a mlb is just as big a need as a dt. There really isn’t a good tackling lb on this team

No, I haven't seen any thing on Kirko.

No on Brown. Sounds like a trouble maker that is only interested in himself.

Brown need to improve the run defense. Would like to see them get a top defensive linemen and linebacker.

I wonder how much if any that changes if GW and his son leave and we install a new defensive system

It's always tough to watch things as they unfold sometimes. As with most fans, it's hard not to form some kind of attachment to our players. As rabid fans they sort if feel like family, at least to a degree. As such I think we like to give them credit anywhere we can. Now I'm not a big stat guy, but when such a glaring stat is pointed it out to us, it's sometimes obvious we have been seeing things through orange colored glasses.

I have really liked Schoberts play. I had no clue about the missed tackle stats. Our D certainly has performed better on the field when he's in the lineup.

I have to put my faith in Dorsey on matters like this. We all know last year he rebuilt our secondary and it had a major difference. I feel rather confident he'll do the same this season with the front seven on our D.

I mean if we can see the weakness on our D, I feel pretty confident he can too. I mean we all saw how terrible our secondary was before he addressed it. I can only feel this scenario will be no different.

Thanks. I think he is better tackler than pass defender, just my impression, all anecdotal about how open our flat has been. Didn't know if he was part of this group or not. I was truly surprised by this stat. Not by the fact that we missed tackles, but by how severely bad on a league-wide basis we were.

Major upgrades needed here. But a run-stopping DL or two would help too. This D is still vulnerable in many ways.

The only reason Collins isn't higher is because he couldn't jog himself into position fast enough to attempt more tackles.

But yeah, LB and DT are our two highest needs.

Yes, I agree. This defense is not of championship caliber yet. I would like to add another baller on every level including CB, because our lack of depth was exposed.

One thing I'm unhappy about over our entire defense is tackling. We'll have fewer injuries and give up fewer big plays when we concentrate on tackling fundamentals.

Gregg seemed to stress this early in preseason, but it didn't seem to catch on with the players.

I like Gregg and think he holds guys accountable but this has to get better.

How much is it fundamentals and how much is it guys trying to lay a big hit? I have to question that, because we know greggs past - he wants big hits first and foremost if you ask me.

How much of it is taking bad angles and being positioned poorly at the time of contact

It's today's NFL. Nobody practices tackling as they are afraid of getting players hurt, and the players union has effected NFL practices.